Do you think that racism is taken way too seriously sometimes?

[Ninastar]

Ok I know some of you will be like wtf its not taken seriously enough but in schools I think they are way to defensive about it. Like this week, in my year at school there has been like 3 or 4 fights, in one of which someone broke their thumb and had to go to hospital and then this one boy said something about black to another boy. out of all of this one of the boys got permanently expelled. This was the boy who said something like "black mother****er".

Anyway that's not the only reason. I have seen it in other ways too! Like I really really don't get how saying "****" is racist when British are called "Brits" and Americans get called "yanks" etc!
I am not trying to cause a fight or anything but does anyone agree with me?

[lily.]

I think there's a tendency to over-react to things which aren't racist... just someone perceives them to be.

I do get what you are saying. Obviously racism is serious, and shouldn't be tolerated, but there's over-sensitivity sometimes, which leads to the 'race card' being played when it's unjustified.

[SiaSiaSia]

I think this belongs in serious debates... It just does...

[Ninastar]

Originally posted by lili
I think there's a tendency to over-react to things which aren't racist... just someone perceives them to be.

I do get what you are saying. Obviously racism is serious, and shouldn't be tolerated, but there's over-sensitivity sometimes, which leads to the 'race card' being played when it's unjustified.

Yes. This is EXACTLY what I mean.

[Ninastar]

Originally posted by SiaSiaSia
I think this belongs in serious debates... It just does...

Yeh. I wasnt sure though cause I thought people would be like its not that serious!!!:blush2:

[MrGaryy]

you're just sayign that cos you're a racist bitch!:joker:

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by ***********
with Ashleen in big brother 100%! They did more wrong in evicting her from the house.

Aisleyne wasn't evicted was she? :puzzled:

[Iceman]

Yes and I hate when people bring up the whole race card thing to get sympathy when they're not even bothered about it.

[Ninastar]

Originally posted by MrGaryy
you're just sayign that cos you're a racist bitch!:joker:

WHAT!?? You always say this?? are you joking?? cause I really can't tell. I dont see how I am!?? :sad::blush2::sad::sad::blush2::blush2:

[Iceman]

Originally posted by ***********
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by ***********
with Ashleen in big brother 100%! They did more wrong in evicting her from the house.

Aisleyne wasn't evicted was she? :puzzled:

they kiked herout for saying the N word...
and by doing that they only increased the strength of the word itself!

Emily???:conf:

[Ninastar]

Originally posted by Iceman
Originally posted by ***********
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by ***********
with Ashleen in big brother 100%! They did more wrong in evicting her from the house.

Aisleyne wasn't evicted was she? :puzzled:

they kiked herout for saying the N word...
and by doing that they only increased the strength of the word itself!

Emily???:conf:

I thought that too??

[5CORPIO]

What I dont agree with is that it's ok for a black person to say things that a white person would get slammed for.

[John.]

Yes but it just represents the over the top 'Politically Correct' world we live in today.

[Ninastar]

Originally posted by 5CORPIO
What I dont agree with is that it's ok for a black person to say things that a white person would get slammed for.

True and how people get offended if you say black but its perfecly ok to say white?

[5CORPIO]

Originally posted by Ninastar
Originally posted by 5CORPIO
What I dont agree with is that it's ok for a black person to say things that a white person would get slammed for.

True and how people get offended if you say black but its perfecly ok to say white?


Exactly, I remember being at school and being told we had to say Brown people :conf2: but we were still White :conf2:

[Twilight]

I agree with Ninastar and i hate how if you say someones black its offensive but its find to white

[Tom]

No, but political correctness does which I think is what you're trying to say

[NettoSuperstar!]

Calling someone a **** is racist! end of. Calling someone a brit etc has never been used offensively in the past ie: Brits out Brit bastard etc...just never happened...with the other word yes... widely!

You have to look at the historical and social context! White people have historically been the opressors and had the power, which is why calling someone a white bastard doesnt have the same impact. Its not been a level playing field for a long time and we are really still at the beginning of change and moving towards equality!

[Z]

There are a gang of Asian boys threatening to knife my younger brother and his friends because on his Bebo there's a picture of one of them with this Asian boy in their year, where he's trying to lick his face; there's a bunch of comments on the photo where they're being racist jokingly and the boy in the picture is joining in with it, because it's a joke and they're friends. Then, some Asian kids from another school saw it, and are threatening to stab them for being racists - to an outsider it looks bad, but the fact that the boy in the photo is joining in with it surely shows that they're not being serious? Anyway, they tried to explain this to the guys, who clearly are just looking for a fight.


It's instances like that that makes me wonder if racism is just a scape goat for "victims of racism" to be violent. Racism, in its true sense, is when somebody is denied something or treated cruelly because of their race. Refusing to hire somebody on the basis of their skin colour is racist; calling someone a name just doesn't seem 'racist' to me in comparison to that. I'm not condoning racism at all, merely questioning what is racist and what isn't. Name calling shouldn't be called racist just because somebody's colour is brought into it.

[Shaun]

I agree with NettoSuperstar - if you take into account the hundreds of years of slavery, or race-hate crimes, I think if you were of one of those races, you'd feel a little defensive too.

However, I'm almost too tentative about what I say sometimes. I have an asian friend who's ridiculously camp, so he's pretty much a target for ignorant people - so we'll joke about that occasionally, but when someone calls him a "**** ****" it's a step too far.

Ultimately I think racism, and other forms of intolerance aimed at something an individual cannot control (gender, sexuality), are just the worst possible traits. I have no time for racists/sexists/homophobes.

[Noel]

I get what you mean. Racism, as we all know is disgusting, but it's the PC that goes too far. Like, sometimes if I'm describing a black person to someone, I feel I can't call them black because that would be deemed as "racist", when I'm just explaining what they look like. If they were white, I would do the same.

Name calling can be offensive, but as long as people know you aren't being intentionally racist, I think it's okay. But I suppose, if I was black/asian etc., I would probably find it offensive as well. The thing is if we are to have equality, that means that other races shouldn't make of fun of "whites", because I feel ATM it is socially acceptable to be racist towards white people, when it shouldn't be. Equality is about treating everyone the same way, not giving the previously inferior the advantage.

[30stone]

I always relate somthgni like this to the world war.

Like we had people over from germany saying how we can't say anything like nazi's to them becuase they aren't obviously they had nothing to do with the war, they wern't even alive then and it would be unfair to judge them for what happened in their country.

But people have said usually when we were in school how we calling "a bunch of white kids" responsible for slavery, our people. Which really aggrovates me.

Id prefer to just leave everything in the past.

And yeh people do over react massively, sometimes it is justified though obviously.

[ange7]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Calling someone a pa** is racist! end of. Calling someone a brit etc has never been used offensively in the past ie: Brits out Brit b****** etc...just never happened...with the other word yes... widely!

You have to look at the historical and social context! White people have historically been the opressors and had the power, which is why calling someone a white b****** doesnt have the same impact. Its not been a level playing field for a long time and we are really still at the beginning of change and moving towards equality!
yeah agree, who ever compared the word with "p**i" to the word "brit" was really missing the point.

[bananarama]

The truth is some people have racism tattood on their eye balls and see racism where ever they go.......

We now live in a nation of treading on egg shells tring to please all at all times.......Sure symptom of total maddnesss.

In real life no one cannot offend and no one can not be offended........People are far too diverse to avoid such a scenerio........So the alternative maddness derived by the political correctness brigade is to turn whole chunks of people in to babies that cry foul when they hear a word they don't like.....Instead of being ADULTS that cope with the normal extemities of life.......

[NettoSuperstar!]

Whos treading on egg shells? What kind of world is it eh? When we cant call a spade a spade?? lol (Sarcasm)

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 30stone
I always relate somthgni like this to the world war.

Like we had people over from germany saying how we can't say anything like nazi's to them becuase they aren't obviously they had nothing to do with the war, they wern't even alive then and it would be unfair to judge them for what happened in their country.

But people have said usually when we were in school how we calling "a bunch of white kids" responsible for slavery, our people. Which really aggrovates me.

Id prefer to just leave everything in the past.

And yeh people do over react massively, sometimes it is justified though obviously.

Nobodies callin white people for what happened in the past. Its just the fact that you cant compare callling someone a brit to calling someone a P**I...The two are on massively different levels because of the history of prejudice.

[GiRTh]

The same old debates and the same old comments. You people lack for personal growth.:wink:

Yes there have been instances of over reactions to incidents of minor racism but that should never disguise the whole debate. Surely any body can see that discrimination on the ground a persons race is wrong in every sense of the word. Or is there anybody who disagrees?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yeh I know, my heads sore from bangin on the brick wall!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Yeh I know, my heads sore from bangin on the brick wall! Personally, I wouldn't bother trying with some of these people. They know what they know, and nothing seems to change their minds.

[Tom]

Originally posted by GiRTh
The same old debates and the same old comments. You people lack for personal growth.:wink:

Yes there have been instances of over reactions to incidents of minor racism but that should never disguise the whole debate. Surely any body can see that discrimination on the ground a persons race is wrong in every sense of the word. Or is there anybody who disagrees?

I sort of disagree, I think it depends on context and what is said.

Apparently saying "black coffee", "blackboard", "blacksheep" etc is all seen as racist due to PC gone mad ... and I'm sure that you, as a black man, don't get offended in the slightest by any of that and its all just silly.

But you enter muddy ground when maybe if you do something like Emily did in BB8 (imo completely in jest, spur of the moment, just showing her ignorance really) but theres still no right or wrong. Then Jade. You can debate that to death really, it boils down to no there was no racist words said but can other things be implied as it? Then instances like that drags up a whole other argument; not racist at all (if she was white would it just be bitching?), ignorance and just dislike of a person and not race, or just down right racist. Is it essentially people being offended on someone elses behalf? I think it is that kind of thing people can't agree on.

Now another mis conception that ties in with the middle point (Emily/Jade type situations) is that you can call someone something racist but an equivalent for another race isn't racist. I'm even guilty of that myself tbh but I think its important to remember historical context and I doubt anyone on here would be half as offended if they were called a "white b*stard" than if a black person was called, well you know ...

Then theres just outright racism which I think it is pretty unanimous when someone is racist or not (ie maliciously saying one of 'those' words) with intent to harm feelings.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Noone sees those things as racist! Its bullshit...black coffee, black board etc...Jade should never have called shilpa shilpa poppadom just offensive

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Tom
I sort of disagree, I think it depends on context and what is said.

Apparently saying "black coffee", "blackboard", "blacksheep" etc is all seen as racist due to PC gone mad ... and I'm sure that you, as a black man, don't get offended in the slightest by any of that and its all just silly.

But you enter muddy ground when maybe if you do something like Emily did in BB8 (imo completely in jest, spur of the moment, just showing her ignorance really) but theres still no right or wrong. Then Jade. You can debate that to death really, it boils down to no there was no racist words said but can other things be implied as it? Then instances like that drags up a whole other argument; not racist at all (if she was white would it just be bitching?), ignorance and just dislike of a person and not race, or just down right racist. Is it essentially people being offended on someone elses behalf? I think it is that kind of thing people can't agree on.

Now another mis conception that ties in with the middle point (Emily/Jade type situations) is that you can call someone something racist but an equivalent for another race isn't racist. I'm even guilty of that myself tbh but I think its important to remember historical context and I doubt anyone on here would be half as offended if they were called a "white b*stard" than if a black person was called, well you know ...

Then theres just outright racism which I think it is pretty unanimous when someone is racist or not (ie maliciously saying one of 'those' words) with intent to harm feelings. Nicely put. You seem to understand the context of racism much better than most.:thumbs:

Racism in its purist form involves some kind of power. Zee has already made the point that denying someone an opportunty on the ground of their race is one of the purist form of racism. He's absolutely right on that.

The degrees you mention are quite interesting. In each case context is the key thing. I dont think Jade or Emily were racist but both were guilty of terrible ignorance. And it's ignorance that invarialby leads to racism.

[*mazedsalv**]

We live in a society where everything that is said is racist.
Eg. When JLS and Rachel were in the bottom 2 in XF, when Heather was in the botton 2 all the time in SCD. It was in the newspapers the next day claiming the audience to be racist.
And that annoys me, everything is seen in that way.

See this is why im glad to have a black best friend and we just joke about it, if i offend her, she doesnt get offended vica versa, and im sure i once said something to her and she laughed, and then someone walked passed me and actually thought i was being raicist and gave me a evil look.

For the Jade situation, Im not sure. Isnt it weird that evertone claims that if a white person offends a black person they are raicist?? Maybe its just natural bitching or maybe they dont like each other.

People make it seem if a white woman doesnt like a black woman, that they are racist, thats not the case at all, is it wrong to not like someone, just because they come from somewhere different, doesnt mean they MUST be nice to them and be friendly.

['Conor]

yes!!! like if black person called a white person a whitemother ****er it would be ok he wouldnt be in trouble but if a white person calls a black person a black mother ****er the white person would be in so much trouble nd called racist like its so not fair!

[Tom4784]

The thing is most people mistake ignorance for true rascism when in most cases it's not the case. Look at Ninastar, in the first post she equated Brits and p***s to mean the same. Was this rascism on her part? No it's just ignorance. Racism is a big problem in this world and it needs to be stamped out but if we see rascism everywhere then we'll never truely banish it.

I think Education is the key, We need to establish what is truly (Let's face it black and white boards are not offensive) rascist and do our best to try and eradicate it through teaching others. If we keep on this PC gone mad route then we'll never have true equality.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by CM13086
yes!!! like if black person called a white person a whitemother *****r it would be ok he wouldnt be in trouble but if a white person calls a black person a black mother *****r the white person would be in so much trouble nd called racist like its so not fair! What was I saying about the same old comments? Oh dear.:bored:

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally posted by Dezzy
The thing is most people mistake ignorance for true rascism when in most cases it's not the case. Look at Ninastar, in the first post she equated Brits and p***s to mean the same. Was this rascism on her part? No it's just ignorance. Racism is a big problem in this world and it needs to be stamped out but if we see rascism everywhere then we'll never truely banish it.

I think Education is the key, We need to establish what is truly (Let's face it black and white boards are not offensive) rascist and do our best to try and eradicate it through teaching others. If we keep on this PC gone mad route then we'll never have true equality.

I just think that white people are allowed to say "You know that black person over there...." without getting in trouble for it. How else would you explain? I say it all the time, "Yeah that black person" doesnt mean im racist.

I dont think educating will have it sorted it, the media and the country are so determined and fixated that everything is raicist, no one can escape from it now, its spoken about all the time.

[Stu]

Originally posted by CM13086
yes!!! like if black person called a white person a whitemother *****r it would be ok he wouldnt be in trouble but if a white person calls a black person a black mother *****r the white person would be in so much trouble nd called racist like its so not fair!
Blacks were supressed by whites. Whites were not supressed by blacks. Life aint fair, I know, but they can get away with a higher degree of linguistic ignorance.

Reminds me of the time Charlton Heston came out saying ''if gay's have a gay pride thing going why cant we have straight pride?''. Because your not opressed. Because your not a minority. Because you dont need to tell the world your straight Charlton, you ****ing tool. Im pretty sure he made an identical comment about white pride.

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by CM13086
yes!!! like if black person called a white person a whitemother *****r it would be ok he wouldnt be in trouble but if a white person calls a black person a black mother *****r the white person would be in so much trouble nd called racist like its so not fair!
Blacks were supressed by whites. Whites were not supressed by blacks. Life aint fair, I know, but they can get away with a higher degree of linguistic ignorance.

Reminds me of the time Charlton Heston came out saying ''if gay's have a gay pride thing going why cant we have straight pride?''. Because your not opressed. Because your not a minority. Because you dont need to tell the world your straight Charlton, you ****ing tool. Im pretty sure he made an identical comment about white pride.

Well i wouldnt say black people are in a minority, black people make for a lot of the world population.
Also some people say that about Chinese people being a minority... not really, theres more Chinese people than anyone else in the world (1b libving in china) and probably another billion across the world, making 33% of the population of the world.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by *mazedsalv**I dont think educating will have it sorted it, the media and the country are so determined and fixated that everything is raicist, no one can escape from it now, its spoken about all the time. Thats because in media and politics there are always people trying to make a name for themselves, and by claiming stupid things are racist gives them a chance to raise their profile. You seem to know whats racist and you seem like a sensible guy. Just because some arsehole says its racist that dont make it so and just cuz someone does that doesnt mean that people are trying to say that everything is racist. Context is the key.

[Stu]

Originally posted by *mazedsalv**
Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by CM13086
yes!!! like if black person called a white person a whitemother *****r it would be ok he wouldnt be in trouble but if a white person calls a black person a black mother *****r the white person would be in so much trouble nd called racist like its so not fair!
Blacks were supressed by whites. Whites were not supressed by blacks. Life aint fair, I know, but they can get away with a higher degree of linguistic ignorance.

Reminds me of the time Charlton Heston came out saying ''if gay's have a gay pride thing going why cant we have straight pride?''. Because your not opressed. Because your not a minority. Because you dont need to tell the world your straight Charlton, you ****ing tool. Im pretty sure he made an identical comment about white pride.

Well i wouldnt say black people are in a minority, black people make for a lot of the world population.
Also some people say that about Chinese people being a minority... not really, theres more Chinese people than anyone else in the world (1b libving in china) and probably another billion across the world, making 33% of the population of the world.
I see what your saying but the Chinese living in Britain are considered a minority group. Just like the blacks who fought for civil rights in the southern bible belt states in the sixties. I know their are lots of blacks in total number, but you catch my drift.

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by *mazedsalv**
Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by CM13086
yes!!! like if black person called a white person a whitemother *****r it would be ok he wouldnt be in trouble but if a white person calls a black person a black mother *****r the white person would be in so much trouble nd called racist like its so not fair!
Blacks were supressed by whites. Whites were not supressed by blacks. Life aint fair, I know, but they can get away with a higher degree of linguistic ignorance.

Reminds me of the time Charlton Heston came out saying ''if gay's have a gay pride thing going why cant we have straight pride?''. Because your not opressed. Because your not a minority. Because you dont need to tell the world your straight Charlton, you ****ing tool. Im pretty sure he made an identical comment about white pride.

Well i wouldnt say black people are in a minority, black people make for a lot of the world population.
Also some people say that about Chinese people being a minority... not really, theres more Chinese people than anyone else in the world (1b libving in china) and probably another billion across the world, making 33% of the population of the world.
I see what your saying but the Chinese living in Britain are considered a minority group. Just like the blacks who fought for civil rights in the southern bible belt states in the sixties. I know their are lots of blacks in total number, but you catch my drift.

Yep I agree with what your saying.
And agree with GiRTh as well :)

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by CM13086
yes!!! like if black person called a white person a whitemother *****r it would be ok he wouldnt be in trouble but if a white person calls a black person a black mother *****r the white person would be in so much trouble nd called racist like its so not fair! What was I saying about the same old comments? Oh dear.:bored:

Heheh...and never bother to read what anyone else says...I see a correalation here!

[Tom]

Originally posted by Dezzy
The thing is most people mistake ignorance for true rascism when in most cases it's not the case. Look at Ninastar, in the first post she equated Brits and p***s to mean the same. Was this rascism on her part? No it's just ignorance. Racism is a big problem in this world and it needs to be stamped out but if we see rascism everywhere then we'll never truely banish it.

I think Education is the key, We need to establish what is truly (Let's face it black and white boards are not offensive) rascist and do our best to try and eradicate it through teaching others. If we keep on this PC gone mad route then we'll never have true equality.

Everyone tip toes around with political correctness and it just makes us think we can't say anything without being racist. IMO political correctness is just a load of white men in suits being offended on behalf of black and Asian people. Does anyone on this forum who isn't white honestly get offended by some of the crap they say is offensive/racist, ie blackboard, flying an England flag for the world cup etc ...

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yeh but Tom who actually says that crap? I only ever read it the Daily Mail when they say someone has said it! Theyve prob twisted it in the first place and they know theyre readers will lap it up

[Stu]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Daily Mail
lolz

[NettoSuperstar!]

Ahem...not that I actually read it, I get told of these things...

[Stu]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Ahem...not that I actually read it, I get told of these things...
Of course, I was not slagging you off, I just have a moral obligation to degrade that shitrag at every opportunity :thumbs:.

[NettoSuperstar!]

heheh I usually read these Daily Mail rants on TIBB funnily enough

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Yeh but Tom who actually says that c**p? I only ever read it the Daily Mail when they say someone has said it! Theyve prob twisted it in the first place and they know theyre readers will lap it up

No idea but I know that taxis weren't allowed to put the England flag on the outside of their car if they wanted to in the 2006 world cup in case it offended people and could be deemed as racist ...

Then there was also talk of down grading Christmas so it doesn't offend other cultures

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yeh exactly most of its talk Ive never really seen any proper evidence like...The England flag was paraded round by the National Front (buncha racists from around the 80s) so I guess it still has negative connotations in some peoples eyes. It shouldnt these days but yer know I guess if you were an asian shopkeeper who had his shop vandalised and grafittied with P*ki out etc, and the people who did it went round with the england flag you might not forget so quick

[Wildcat!]

When are you guys gonna learn, not to bring bring up anything like that on Tibb! Its the classic example of aweep everything under the rug! Trust me, dont bother, you will not accomplish anything. Just like someone said previously, it only feels like repeatedly banging your head on the brick wall.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
When are you guys going to learn, not to bring bring up anything like that on Tibb! Its the classic example of aweep everything under the rug! Trust me, dont bother, you will not accomplish anything. Just like someone said previously, it only feels like repeatedly banging your head on the brick wall.
yeah but silence can be seen as acceptance by racists. It doesn't take much to post what you think and if someone is talking rubbish ( whether via ignorance or real hate) it deserves a comment.

Tom, "black coffee" is an example of political correctness gone mad??
It would be if it ever really happened. Why is that factoid even floating around in your head? The problem is a lie like that on the part of the daily mail wouldn't be hard to see through but instead you choose to store it your memory.

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
When are you guys going to learn, not to bring bring up anything like that on Tibb! Its the classic example of aweep everything under the rug! Trust me, dont bother, you will not accomplish anything. Just like someone said previously, it only feels like repeatedly banging your head on the brick wall.
yeah but silence can be seen as acceptance by racists. It doesn't take much to post what you think and if someone is talking rubbish ( whether via ignorance or real hate) it deserves a comment.

Tom, "black coffee" is an example of political correctness gone mad??
It would be if it ever really happened. Why is that factoid even floating around in your head? The problem is a lie like that on the part of the daily mail wouldn't be hard to see through but instead you choose to store it your memory.

Its floating around because it actually is banned in the UK; its coffee without milk apparently.

[30stone]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
When are you guys going to learn, not to bring bring up anything like that on Tibb! Its the classic example of aweep everything under the rug! Trust me, dont bother, you will not accomplish anything. Just like someone said previously, it only feels like repeatedly banging your head on the brick wall.
yeah but silence can be seen as acceptance by racists. It doesn't take much to post what you think and if someone is talking rubbish ( whether via ignorance or real hate) it deserves a comment.

Tom, "black coffee" is an example of political correctness gone mad??
It would be if it ever really happened. Why is that factoid even floating around in your head? The problem is a lie like that on the part of the daily mail wouldn't be hard to see through but instead you choose to store it your memory.

Its floating around because it actually is banned in the UK; its coffee without milk apparently.


Just like at one point they were trying to get the black jelly babies banned ...:conf:

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
When are you guys going to learn, not to bring bring up anything like that on Tibb! Its the classic example of aweep everything under the rug! Trust me, dont bother, you will not accomplish anything. Just like someone said previously, it only feels like repeatedly banging your head on the brick wall.
yeah but silence can be seen as acceptance by racists. It doesn't take much to post what you think and if someone is talking rubbish ( whether via ignorance or real hate) it deserves a comment.

Tom, "black coffee" is an example of political correctness gone mad??
It would be if it ever really happened. Why is that factoid even floating around in your head? The problem is a lie like that on the part of the daily mail wouldn't be hard to see through but instead you choose to store it your memory.

Oh I agree with you! But I have just realised from posting here, that nothing you say, can make much of a difference in my opinion. Because the same question, always finish with the same answers, or plain disdain for even bringing up the subject.
So I was just telling the other posters whove been down that road before.
:spin2:

[Ninastar]

Yeh Sorry if I cause any arguments. I dont want to do that.

[ange7]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
When are you guys going to learn, not to bring bring up anything like that on Tibb! Its the classic example of aweep everything under the rug! Trust me, dont bother, you will not accomplish anything. Just like someone said previously, it only feels like repeatedly banging your head on the brick wall.
yeah but silence can be seen as acceptance by racists. It doesn't take much to post what you think and if someone is talking rubbish ( whether via ignorance or real hate) it deserves a comment.

Tom, "black coffee" is an example of political correctness gone mad??
It would be if it ever really happened. Why is that factoid even floating around in your head? The problem is a lie like that on the part of the daily mail wouldn't be hard to see through but instead you choose to store it your memory.

Its floating around because it actually is banned in the UK; its coffee without milk apparently.


Just like at one point they were trying to get the black jelly babies banned ...:conf:
"its coffee without milk apparently" you did not just type that!!!.
And it's banned in the UK? WTF? lol... don't think so mate.

"black jelly babies" ... sweet *****ing jesus yes that is JUST like Tom's "black coffee" example, in that it was made up by the daily mail too. You guys know that all these "political correctness" stories are just fake internet stories right? They get started on the internet and make it to the papers via lazy journalist. Question is why do you guys bite instead of seeing them as rubbish? What is it that makes you want to believe them?

[30stone]

I was just giving an example.
It went further than the daily mail aswell.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
When are you guys going to learn, not to bring bring up anything like that on Tibb! Its the classic example of aweep everything under the rug! Trust me, dont bother, you will not accomplish anything. Just like someone said previously, it only feels like repeatedly banging your head on the brick wall.
yeah but silence can be seen as acceptance by racists. It doesn't take much to post what you think and if someone is talking rubbish ( whether via ignorance or real hate) it deserves a comment.

Tom, "black coffee" is an example of political correctness gone mad??
It would be if it ever really happened. Why is that factoid even floating around in your head? The problem is a lie like that on the part of the daily mail wouldn't be hard to see through but instead you choose to store it your memory.

Oh I agree with you! But I have just realised from posting here, that nothing you say, can make much of a difference in my opinion. Because the same question, always finish with the same answers, or plain disdain for even bringing up the subject.
So I was just telling the other posters whove been down that road before.
:spin2:
Nah c'mon ,it does make a difference...even if you think it doesn't some of it sinks in... even if their pride doesn't let them admit it. At least they think twice next time.

[ange7]

Originally posted by 30stone
I was just giving an example.
It went further than the daily mail aswell.
those pc gone mad stories go all over the world and get tweaked by journalist locally to fit each country.
Some see through it... some make a mental note of it and bring it up in threads about racism. Question is why are lots of the examples of pc over reactions that some people carry around in their head exclusively about race?

[ange7]

Originally posted by Ninastar
Yeh Sorry if I cause any arguments. I dont want to do that.
nah good for you for starting the thread.
rasicm is like vomit... better out than in

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yeh exactly has anyone ever seen any actual evidence that these silly stories are true? I doubt it very much

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Ninastar
Yeh Sorry if I cause any arguments. I dont want to do that.
nah good for you for starting the thread.
rasicm is like vomit... better out than in

At least you thought about the subject Ninastar. Means you care. Much better than people who cant be bothered. YOur opinion, means you will have some input from different people. So you can get a good balanced opinion.
Maybe youre right Ange7, you can even make one person think twimce. That's always a good thing.

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
When are you guys going to learn, not to bring bring up anything like that on Tibb! Its the classic example of aweep everything under the rug! Trust me, dont bother, you will not accomplish anything. Just like someone said previously, it only feels like repeatedly banging your head on the brick wall.
yeah but silence can be seen as acceptance by racists. It doesn't take much to post what you think and if someone is talking rubbish ( whether via ignorance or real hate) it deserves a comment.

Tom, "black coffee" is an example of political correctness gone mad??
It would be if it ever really happened. Why is that factoid even floating around in your head? The problem is a lie like that on the part of the daily mail wouldn't be hard to see through but instead you choose to store it your memory.

Its floating around because it actually is banned in the UK; its coffee without milk apparently.


Just like at one point they were trying to get the black jelly babies banned ...:conf:
"its coffee without milk apparently" you did not just type that!!!.
And it's banned in the UK? WTF? lol... don't think so mate.

"black jelly babies" ... sweet *****ing jesus yes that is JUST like Tom's "black coffee" example, in that it was made up by the daily mail too. You guys know that all these "political correctness" stories are just fake internet stories right? They get started on the internet and make it to the papers via lazy journalist. Question is why do you guys bite instead of seeing them as rubbish? What is it that makes you want to believe them?

They don't start at the Daily Mail

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
When are you guys going to learn, not to bring bring up anything like that on Tibb! Its the classic example of aweep everything under the rug! Trust me, dont bother, you will not accomplish anything. Just like someone said previously, it only feels like repeatedly banging your head on the brick wall.
yeah but silence can be seen as acceptance by racists. It doesn't take much to post what you think and if someone is talking rubbish ( whether via ignorance or real hate) it deserves a comment.

Tom, "black coffee" is an example of political correctness gone mad??
It would be if it ever really happened. Why is that factoid even floating around in your head? The problem is a lie like that on the part of the daily mail wouldn't be hard to see through but instead you choose to store it your memory.

Its floating around because it actually is banned in the UK; its coffee without milk apparently.


Just like at one point they were trying to get the black jelly babies banned ...:conf:
"its coffee without milk apparently" you did not just type that!!!.
And it's banned in the UK? WTF? lol... don't think so mate.

"black jelly babies" ... sweet *****ing jesus yes that is JUST like Tom's "black coffee" example, in that it was made up by the daily mail too. You guys know that all these "political correctness" stories are just fake internet stories right? They get started on the internet and make it to the papers via lazy journalist. Question is why do you guys bite instead of seeing them as rubbish? What is it that makes you want to believe them?

They don't start at the Daily Mail
you a daily mail fan?
In the thread I later went on to say "those pc gone mad stories go all over the world and get tweaked by journalist locally to fit each country." Either way the stories are fictitious lies, whether they are made up from viral net stories or made up by mail staff. They get printed in papers for the same reason they are so viral on the net... ie people are interested in any stories that seem to say "all the world is retarded...except for me". It makes theme feel better.

I know your a big fan of the Daily Mail, I mean all your facts and examples of PC gone mad seem to come from there. The question remains ..... why are you so eager to swallow clearly made up stories and use those "facts" as examples in a thread about race? And why do most of your examples of "pc gone mad" behaviour specifically pertain to race?

[letmein]

Originally posted by Ninastar
Ok I know some of you will be like wtf its not taken seriously enough but in schools I think they are way to defensive about it. Like this week, in my year at school there has been like 3 or 4 fights, in one of which someone broke their thumb and had to go to hospital and then this one boy said something about black to another boy. out of all of this one of the boys got permanently expelled. This was the boy who said something like "black mother****er".

Anyway that's not the only reason. I have seen it in other ways too! Like I really really don't get how saying "****" is racist when British are called "Brits" and Americans get called "yanks" etc!
I am not trying to cause a fight or anything but does anyone agree with me?

You just described racism. Haha.

[Nurse57]

This matches with my view on "political correctness gone mad"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IYx4Bc6_eE

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
When are you guys going to learn, not to bring bring up anything like that on Tibb! Its the classic example of aweep everything under the rug! Trust me, dont bother, you will not accomplish anything. Just like someone said previously, it only feels like repeatedly banging your head on the brick wall.
yeah but silence can be seen as acceptance by racists. It doesn't take much to post what you think and if someone is talking rubbish ( whether via ignorance or real hate) it deserves a comment.

Tom, "black coffee" is an example of political correctness gone mad??
It would be if it ever really happened. Why is that factoid even floating around in your head? The problem is a lie like that on the part of the daily mail wouldn't be hard to see through but instead you choose to store it your memory.

Its floating around because it actually is banned in the UK; its coffee without milk apparently.


Just like at one point they were trying to get the black jelly babies banned ...:conf:
"its coffee without milk apparently" you did not just type that!!!.
And it's banned in the UK? WTF? lol... don't think so mate.

"black jelly babies" ... sweet *****ing jesus yes that is JUST like Tom's "black coffee" example, in that it was made up by the daily mail too. You guys know that all these "political correctness" stories are just fake internet stories right? They get started on the internet and make it to the papers via lazy journalist. Question is why do you guys bite instead of seeing them as rubbish? What is it that makes you want to believe them?

They don't start at the Daily Mail
you a daily mail fan?
In the thread I later went on to say "those pc gone mad stories go all over the world and get tweaked by journalist locally to fit each country." Either way the stories are fictitious lies, whether they are made up from viral net stories or made up by mail staff. They get printed in papers for the same reason they are so viral on the net... ie people are interested in any stories that seem to say "all the world is retarded...except for me". It makes theme feel better.

I know your a big fan of the Daily Mail, I mean all your facts and examples of PC gone mad seem to come from there. The question remains ..... why are you so eager to swallow clearly made up stories and use those "facts" as examples in a thread about race? And why do most of your examples of "pc gone mad" behaviour specifically pertain to race?

I don't read any papers let alone the Daily Mail so I'd appreciate it if you didn't make assumptions and try to pass them off as facts.

[Z]

I don't think anyone (or I'd hope they aren't) is trying to say racism shouldn't be taken seriously. It's more a question of how far can political correctness go before we're going backwards, and not forwards? In my experience; which as a young white man is going to be entirely different to the experiences of people of different races and genders; racism and racist are terms that are thrown around far too easily. White people are now, I think, easily scared into not speaking to people of other races, not because they're racist, but because they don't want to be accused of being racist; and to the neutral eye it looks as if they are being racist. The number of friends I have who are of an ethnic minority is less than five, because I live in an area where there are very few people of different ethnicities/races, and I feel as though this is a poor reflection on me, even though that's not my fault. Surely racism is not as bad as it was a few decades ago, at least here in the United Kingdom? I don't know, I've only been around for seventeen years :P.

[sayj]

I totally agree with Shaun I have no time for ignorant people! I'm not just saying it because I'm Indian, I've always had this view! And yes calling a person a **** is racist as the term is generally aimed at all Asians when being racially abused(verbally) ignorant people fail to realise that the word **** is derived from the word pakistani and not all asians are from pakistan! There's just no need for racism people should just live and let live!:nono:

[Nurse57]

But that is not fair. In a democracy I have the the right to be an ignorant racist ******-wit.

admin edit: watch your language please

[Lauren]

I just googled the "black jelly baby" story after reading it here.
Two things;
1) Daily Mail was the predominant report.
2) They didn't ban the black jelly baby. Read the story.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-414301/Tube-workers-cleared-Jelly-Baby-racism-250-000-trial.html

Also, reading the article, the mail seems to push the fact that the trial was a "joke" and portrays the perpetrators as victims, saying the trial ruined his marriage.

[sayj]

Originally posted by Nurse57
But that is not fair. In a democracy I have the the right to be an ignorant racist ****-wit.
That is ofcourse your opinion but believe you wont get far with that kind of attitude as people will retaliate so it's a never ending story!:shrug:

[Ninastar]

Originally posted by Zee
I don't think anyone (or I'd hope they aren't) is trying to say racism shouldn't be taken seriously. It's more a question of how far can political correctness go before we're going backwards, and not forwards? In my experience; which as a young white man is going to be entirely different to the experiences of people of different races and genders; racism and racist are terms that are thrown around far too easily. White people are now, I think, easily scared into not speaking to people of other races, not because they're racist, but because they don't want to be accused of being racist; and to the neutral eye it looks as if they are being racist. The number of friends I have who are of an ethnic minority is less than five, because I live in an area where there are very few people of different ethnicities/races, and I feel as though this is a poor reflection on me, even though that's not my fault. Surely racism is not as bad as it was a few decades ago, at least here in the United Kingdom? I don't know, I've only been around for seventeen years :P.

yeh I completly agree.!!

[Nurse57]

Sayj, you do realize I was having a pop at the people who rather than wanting to get rid of all race hate, are more bothered by the fact that they can't be racist to make it fair and "even" things up.

admin edit: watch your language please

[Nurse57]

Sorry. Thought the swear filter would cover me. Had not noticed. I shall edit the first instance.