Do the poor ratings of BB10 (and CBB6) suggest that live feed is required?

[President]

Do the poor ratings of BB10 (and CBB6) justify that live feed is required?

Last night got just 2.7m. That's good by Channel 4 standards but poor for BB taking into account taht it was the first highlights show when ratings are usually high.

So do you think live feed needs to be brought back?

[Noel]

No.
I'm really trying hard to keep my patience but **** ABOUT LIVE FEED.

[\PJ/]

No i don't think so,HL shows and live feed are on t 2 different channels.

[Tom4784]

NOOO! Live Feed got canned because nobody watched it enough. The reason for the slightly lower ratings is just because public interest in BB is waning.

Live feed this, Live feed that it's driving me spare.

[Tom]

No. Last nights highlights was quite frankly sh*t (just watched some of it on T4 and got bored). It was allover the papers yesterday so (live feed =) media interest = ratings is out the window.

[Loukas]

Ok, the answer to your question is NO.

What people don't understand, and yes i am talking about you president, is that yeah the ratings are low for BB but they are still above avarage for Channel4. Can you honnestly tell me it has anything to do with the live feed!!? The live feed that at max got about 200,000 people. President if you carry on being negative about the series the series will be over and you wont even catch it because your spending most of your time on here saying how rubbish the ratings are. ENJOY BB FFS.

[mozzymozmoz]

No it dosent.
people are just loosing interest.
out of the 2.7 million people watching last night, im sure 2.5 never watched it anyway. if that. most people are just casual viewers, who watch it in the evening, they dont watch it throughout their whole summer, it dosent take over their life, so im sure they dont even care. Its slightyly annoying, because it can be fun to watch, but it isnt the end of the world is it?!

[President]

But live feed may cause a net effect of excitement around the forums and media, resulting in more interesting in the show.

These are terrible ratings.

[Patrick]

Originally posted by Dezzy
NOOO! Live Feed got canned because nobody watched it enough. The reason for the slightly lower ratings is just because public interest in BB is waning.

Live feed this, Live feed that it's driving me spare.

If "Nobody" watched it the why does Everybody want it back?
Get your facts straight

[BJ]

I agree with you President

[bigbrothermad123]

Originally posted by mozzymozmoz
No it dosent.
people are just loosing interest.
out of the 2.7 million people watching last night, im sure 2.5 never watched it anyway. if that. most people are just casual viewers, who watch it in the evening, they dont watch it throughout their whole summer, it dosent take over their life, so im sure they dont even care. Its slightyly annoying, because it can be fun to watch, but it isnt the end of the world is it?!
I Agree !

[bigbrothermad123]

Sorry guys i didnt mean to post that !

[bigbrothermad123]

Originally posted by DoubleTrouble
Ok, the answer to your question is NO.

What people don't understand, and yes i am talking about you president, is that yeah the ratings are low for BB but they are still above avarage for Channel4. Can you honnestly tell me it has anything to do with the live feed!!? The live feed that at max got about 200,000 people. President if you carry on being negative about the series the series will be over and you wont even catch it because your spending most of your time on here saying how rubbish the ratings are. ENJOY BB FFS.
I Agree !

[Tom]

Originally posted by President
But live feed may cause a net effect of excitement around the forums and media, resulting in more interesting in the show.

These are terrible ratings.

Explain the excitement around the media yesterday and the low ratings for last nights show then ...

[President]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by President
But live feed may cause a net effect of excitement around the forums and media, resulting in more interesting in the show.

These are terrible ratings.

Explain the excitement around the media yesterday and the low ratings for last nights show then ...
There wasn't much exitement in the media yesterday.

It was very little compared to previous years. A lot of the stuff written in the media yesterday was very negative even compared to before, for e.g. the lowest live launch ratings ever etc.

Hardly any media coverage so far.

Channel 4's website has hardly been updated since 5pm yesterday.

And you saw my posts pre-BB10. I was saying that the show would be fine without live feed, but I've done a U Turn. It simply can't cope unfortunately. The lack of buzz among fans is worrying.

[Tom4784]

Originally posted by pmccaff2009
Originally posted by Dezzy
NOOO! Live Feed got canned because nobody watched it enough. The reason for the slightly lower ratings is just because public interest in BB is waning.

Live feed this, Live feed that it's driving me spare.

If "Nobody" watched it the why does Everybody want it back?
Get your facts straight

'Nobody watched it enough'

Enough is an important word here. Read first, judge later.

[=-Incognito-=]

There's definately an effect. We won't be able to measure it correctly until C4 change their stance though. I appreciate that some people are becoming irritated with the campaigning but the core tenet is just.

[steelmagnolia]

live feed is needed to get more interst what are we supposed to do when its raining:laugh:

[Stentionhouse]

2.7m is fantastic compared to what BB will be getting in a month.

I have now discovered the real reason the LF was axed and I'm completely effing furious, to be honest.

[Marc]

No.

[President]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
2.7m is fantastic compared to what BB will be getting in a month.

I have now discovered the real reason the LF was axed and I'm completely effing furious, to be honest.
What is the real reason?

[arista]

Originally posted by Dezzy
NOOO! Live Feed got canned because nobody watched it enough. The reason for the slightly lower ratings is just because public interest in BB is waning.

Live feed this, Live feed that it's driving me spare.


Ohhh Dezzy
Up The Wall.


Live Feed Now in this
New Labour Depression
would be watched by more than ever.

[Tom]

I don't really think its *that* much to do with the live feed tbh. Of course it will have an effect but I don't think a drastic one. I think its just the BB format; the highlights show felt quite stale. The best thing they can do is bring it back down to 13 weeks (14 weeks is way too long, so is 13 but still) and postpone BB11 until 2011 when we won't be in a recession anymore so advertisers will be willing to spend more- so Channel 4 in theory should have more money. For 7 years we had Big Brother EVERYWHERE in the media, last year in a few places but not everywhere and now we've just reached a point where its still there but noone is taking any notice.

Then as BB will be off air for almost 2 years (just postpone contract) then let the power of nostalgia work its magic ... and BB can come back with somewhat of a bang. atm its just fizzling out as it comes to the end and it isn't a very fitting end for a show that was once the most powerful show on TV and has been covered in controversy over the years.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by President
Do the poor ratings of BB10 (and CBB6) justify that live feed is required?

Last night got just 2.7m. That's good by Channel 4 standards but poor for BB taking into account taht it was the first highlights show when ratings are usually high.

So do you think live feed needs to be brought back?
The answer to me is a overwhelming yes! I laugh at the people in denial who think this is some natural dip! This is the biggest dip from series to series ever, and it will continue.

What you dont realise, and you probably will as the series goes on, is that even if you never watch LF, or only a few people watch it, they are the reason why a lot of viewers tune in to watch the highlights. Its kind of like preview, when you come to a forum and read that something interesting happened on LF. OR you read soemthing on the papers, or even hear through the grapevine, that something hapened. Thats what makes you want to watch the highlights the next day to see the clear picture. BEcause its never clear on LF, with sound cuts and stuff.

As it stands, I am not even remotely interested in watching the highlights tonight. I might, I might not, and I am sure a lot of people will become increasingly bored.

If you havent realised the importance of it yet, trust me, you will soon!!

[JohnnyBB]

oo its happening the decline of viewer's because no live feed

[Arneldo]

No. The fact is not enough people were watching the LF to justify it being there. so they made the right decision to ditch it. The videos are more than enough so - deal with it.

[arista]

Originally posted by JohnnyBB
oo its happening the decline of viewer's because no live feed


Bang On Right
JBB

[Redmond]

Whether people admit it or not Live Feed is a big part of Big Brother's success.

It doesn't matter how many people watch it as long as some are.

If something interesting happens on the feed, that person reports it on a forum, people discuss it, more people tune in, the word spreads, tabloids get hold of it, it creates a buzz and then more people tune in to the HL shows.

How can you get to know people in an edited 40 minute show? And a couple of hours of feed a night before they go to bed?

Every other country that has BB has a live feed, it is not about costs or ratings. They could easily provide an internet feed with no trouble. It is just C4 trying to kill the show.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
2.7m is fantastic compared to what BB will be getting in a month.

I have now discovered the real reason the LF was axed and I'm completely effing furious, to be honest.
What is the real reason?

They found an advertising loophole that lets them make more money by embedding ads in online content than they could on TV. It's illegal to embed ads on television - but not online. By blocking all the YouTube stuff and forcing people to their website by offering the only source of clips there, they can get the highest return - in theory.

However, they've completely deceived the viewers and lied to them over the reason for axing the feed. And now they're going to pay - because BB10 is already a failure and the viewing figures will continue to fall as the word spreads.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

What you dont realise, and you probably will as the series goes on, is that even if you never watch LF, or only a few people watch it, they are the reason why a lot of viewers tune in to watch the highlights. Its kind of like preview, when you come to a forum and read that something interesting happened on LF. OR you read soemthing on the papers, or even hear through the grapevine, that something hapened. Thats what makes you want to watch the highlights the next day to see the clear picture. BEcause its never clear on LF, with sound cuts and stuff.

And what you don't realise is that not all highlights viewers visit a forum or read about the show that much. I don't watch the live feed but I know what happens tonight just as I would any other year. Usually if you told me 2 were going to walk on glass and a motorbike was going to drive over another I'd be counting down the hours, but I'm not too fussed this year. Not because of no live feed, I'm just starting to think BB is now past it.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Arneldo
No. The fact is not enough people were watching the LF to justify it being there. so they made the right decision to ditch it. The videos are more than enough so - deal with it.

Big Brother is dead without the live feed - watch the viewing figures slide into oblivion. Deal with that :wink:

[JohnnyBB]

whyt dont pepole understand 2.7million is awfull cant wait for next week 1.9million!!

[Matt08]

Live feed probably hasn't had any effect on the viewing figures for Big Brother. People will still watch the highlights shows, regardless that they haven't had the live feed there.

The real reason for the show's downturn is that the show is getting old and people are slowly starting to get bored of it and have stopped watching.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

What you dont realise, and you probably will as the series goes on, is that even if you never watch LF, or only a few people watch it, they are the reason why a lot of viewers tune in to watch the highlights. Its kind of like preview, when you come to a forum and read that something interesting happened on LF. OR you read soemthing on the papers, or even hear through the grapevine, that something hapened. Thats what makes you want to watch the highlights the next day to see the clear picture. BEcause its never clear on LF, with sound cuts and stuff.

And what you don't realise is that not all highlights viewers visit a forum or read about the show that much. I don't watch the live feed but I know what happens tonight just as I would any other year. Usually if you told me 2 were going to walk on glass and a motorbike was going to drive over another I'd be counting down the hours, but I'm not too fussed this year. Not because of no live feed, I'm just starting to think BB is now past it.

So it was just completely coincidental that the first h/l show of the series got 1.1m less than the same one last year? I think not. C4's official media sources have been besieged with complaints - that doesn't happen when only a minority of viewers are involved. People who rarely look on forums etc suddenly realised yesterday that the daytime LF is gone. No, not on the red button. Not online. Not a couple of hours on e4 in the afternoon - gone.

[President]

Originally posted by Tom
I don't really think its *that* much to do with the live feed tbh. Of course it will have an effect but I don't think a drastic one. I think its just the BB format; the highlights show felt quite stale. The best thing they can do is bring it back down to 13 weeks (14 weeks is way too long, so is 13 but still) and postpone BB11 until 2011 when we won't be in a recession anymore so advertisers will be willing to spend more- so Channel 4 in theory should have more money. For 7 years we had Big Brother EVERYWHERE in the media, last year in a few places but not everywhere and now we've just reached a point where its still there but noone is taking any notice.

Then as BB will be off air for almost 2 years (just postpone contract) then let the power of nostalgia work its magic ... and BB can come back with somewhat of a bang. atm its just fizzling out as it comes to the end and it isn't a very fitting end for a show that was once the most powerful show on TV and has been covered in controversy over the years.
You have to appreciate that the dip CBB6 and BB10 has seen is not a natural one.

BB9 saw a natural dip.

But BB10 so far is well down for its second show. Lack of LF must be having an effect.

[Harry!]

Im bored of BB10 already because I can't watch them live. Bring it back or BB10 will be the dullest yet!

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by JohnnyBB
whyt dont pepole understand 2.7million is awfull cant wait for next week 1.9million!!

It'll go sub-1.5m by the end of the series - I've said that since the axing of the LF was announced. The very nature of Big Brother is such that the housemates are constantly observed and their actions discussed. Take that away and you just have a load of Hollyoaks rejects in a bad soap opera every night.

[Redmond]

Originally posted by Matt08
Live feed probably hasn't had any effect on the viewing figures for Big Brother. People will still watch the highlights shows, regardless that they haven't had the live feed there.

The real reason for the show's downturn is that the show is getting old and people are slowly starting to get bored of it and have stopped watching.

A show in decline doesn't drop over 1 million viewers compared to last years first HL show.

That isn't a steady decline, that is rapid.

It got beat by a repeat of Doc Martin last night for gods sake!

:hugesmile:

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
2.7m is fantastic compared to what BB will be getting in a month.

I have now discovered the real reason the LF was axed and I'm completely effing furious, to be honest.
What is the real reason?

They found an advertising loophole that lets them make more money by embedding ads in online content than they could on TV. It's illegal to embed ads on television - but not online. By blocking all the YouTube stuff and forcing people to their website by offering the only source of clips there, they can get the highest return - in theory.

However, they've completely deceived the viewers and lied to them over the reason for axing the feed. And now they're going to pay - because BB10 is already a failure and the viewing figures will continue to fall as the word spreads.

So what you're saying is a business shouldn't try to get as much money as possible in the short term? I know its frustrating but they might as well milk it whilst its still worth something. Even when BB falls to its lowest its still going to be quite profitable in the cost:airtime:advertisers ratio. Plus its only ABC1 16-34 year olds advertisers are mainly interested in, so you need to look at those figures and not the figures as a whole to see how profitable it is. In theory, if the figures fall to 1m and is made up entirely of 16-34 year olds the show would be only slightly less profitable than if there were 4m viewers and 1m 16-24 year olds in those 4m. Bigger numbers play a part but not as big an impact as people may think.

[Matt08]

Originally posted by Redmond
Originally posted by Matt08
Live feed probably hasn't had any effect on the viewing figures for Big Brother. People will still watch the highlights shows, regardless that they haven't had the live feed there.

The real reason for the show's downturn is that the show is getting old and people are slowly starting to get bored of it and have stopped watching.

A show in decline doesn't drop over a 1 million viewers compared to last years first HL show.

That isn't a steady decline, that is rapid.

It got beat by a repeat of Doc Martin last night for gods sake!

:hugesmile:

Ratings have been dropping for a few years now.

[Redmond]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
2.7m is fantastic compared to what BB will be getting in a month.

I have now discovered the real reason the LF was axed and I'm completely effing furious, to be honest.
What is the real reason?

They found an advertising loophole that lets them make more money by embedding ads in online content than they could on TV. It's illegal to embed ads on television - but not online. By blocking all the YouTube stuff and forcing people to their website by offering the only source of clips there, they can get the highest return - in theory.

However, they've completely deceived the viewers and lied to them over the reason for axing the feed. And now they're going to pay - because BB10 is already a failure and the viewing figures will continue to fall as the word spreads.

So what you're saying is a business shouldn't try to get as much money as possible in the short term? I know its frustrating but they might as well milk it whilst its still worth something. Even when BB falls to its lowest its still going to be quite profitable in the cost:airtime:advertisers ratio. Plus its only ABC1 16-34 year olds advertisers are mainly interested in, so you need to look at those figures and not the figures as a whole to see how profitable it is. In theory, if the figures fall to 1m and is made up entirely of 16-34 year olds the show would be only slightly less profitable than if there were 4m viewers and 1m 16-24 year olds in those 4m. Bigger numbers play a part but not as big an impact as people may think.

But the way they lie to their viewers is not acceptable.

Plus it is backfiring on them anyway.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
2.7m is fantastic compared to what BB will be getting in a month.

I have now discovered the real reason the LF was axed and I'm completely effing furious, to be honest.
What is the real reason?

They found an advertising loophole that lets them make more money by embedding ads in online content than they could on TV. It's illegal to embed ads on television - but not online. By blocking all the YouTube stuff and forcing people to their website by offering the only source of clips there, they can get the highest return - in theory.

However, they've completely deceived the viewers and lied to them over the reason for axing the feed. And now they're going to pay - because BB10 is already a failure and the viewing figures will continue to fall as the word spreads.

So what you're saying is a business shouldn't try to get as much money as possible in the short term? I know its frustrating but they might as well milk it whilst its still worth something. Even when BB falls to its lowest its still going to be quite profitable in the cost:airtime:advertisers ratio. Plus its only ABC1 16-34 year olds advertisers are mainly interested in, so you need to look at those figures and not the figures as a whole to see how profitable it is. In theory, if the figures fall to 1m and is made up entirely of 16-34 year olds the show would be only slightly less profitable than if there were 4m viewers and 1m 16-24 year olds in those 4m. Bigger numbers play a part but not as big an impact as people may think.

Channel 4 have broken Ofcom's rules with their actions - and Ofcom have confirmed this and are investigating. That's what I do know. C4 are a public service broadcaster and have lied endlessly to Big Brother fans over the reason for them killing the live feed. It's going to cost them dear. I'd go as far as to say this is the beginning of the end of C4 as an independent broadcaster.

[Ethan.k]

OMg...im actually scared now, if people arent watching the first highligts show (that gets them more familiar with each housemate and sees the housemates mix with others on the very 1st night) then what will the figures be like like halfway through the show.....it could just be called off!!!OMFG!!!:devil::devil::devil:

I will be watching this show everynight as much as possible uo to the end, I will try and enjoy every minute of it (which i normally do) and I know that it starts to go abit stale arounf week 7 but it will pick up....Please people just turn on your effin g tvs, if u have 10 tvs then turn them all to channel 4 everynight, even if u are nto watching it, just doit...LOL....*calms down after beathing into brown bag after long scary speech trying to get as much viweres for a tv show...*:cheer2::cheer2:

[President]

Originally posted by Matt08
Originally posted by Redmond
Originally posted by Matt08
Live feed probably hasn't had any effect on the viewing figures for Big Brother. People will still watch the highlights shows, regardless that they haven't had the live feed there.

The real reason for the show's downturn is that the show is getting old and people are slowly starting to get bored of it and have stopped watching.

A show in decline doesn't drop over a 1 million viewers compared to last years first HL show.

That isn't a steady decline, that is rapid.

It got beat by a repeat of Doc Martin last night for gods sake!

:hugesmile:

Ratings have been dropping for a few years now.
But not as such a high rate?

[JohnnyBB]

Originally posted by Redmond
Originally posted by Matt08
Live feed probably hasn't had any effect on the viewing figures for Big Brother. People will still watch the highlights shows, regardless that they haven't had the live feed there.

The real reason for the show's downturn is that the show is getting old and people are slowly starting to get bored of it and have stopped watching.

A show in decline doesn't drop over 1 million viewers compared to last years first HL show.

That isn't a steady decline, that is rapid.

It got beat by a repeat of Doc Martin last night for gods sake!

:hugesmile:

woooop go doc martin :joker:

[Redmond]

Originally posted by Matt08
Originally posted by Redmond
Originally posted by Matt08
Live feed probably hasn't had any effect on the viewing figures for Big Brother. People will still watch the highlights shows, regardless that they haven't had the live feed there.

The real reason for the show's downturn is that the show is getting old and people are slowly starting to get bored of it and have stopped watching.

A show in decline doesn't drop over a 1 million viewers compared to last years first HL show.

That isn't a steady decline, that is rapid.

It got beat by a repeat of Doc Martin last night for gods sake!

:hugesmile:

Ratings have been dropping for a few years now.

I know...steadily. Never this rapidly...it lost 44% of its audience from the Launch Show! That is the biggest drop off ever. And apart from The Apprentice, it had hardly any competition last night.

First HL shows usually rate well, if it is dropping to 2.7mil this early I shudder to think what the ratings will be like by the time we reach Week 12/13.

[Tom]

Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Tom
I don't really think its *that* much to do with the live feed tbh. Of course it will have an effect but I don't think a drastic one. I think its just the BB format; the highlights show felt quite stale. The best thing they can do is bring it back down to 13 weeks (14 weeks is way too long, so is 13 but still) and postpone BB11 until 2011 when we won't be in a recession anymore so advertisers will be willing to spend more- so Channel 4 in theory should have more money. For 7 years we had Big Brother EVERYWHERE in the media, last year in a few places but not everywhere and now we've just reached a point where its still there but noone is taking any notice.

Then as BB will be off air for almost 2 years (just postpone contract) then let the power of nostalgia work its magic ... and BB can come back with somewhat of a bang. atm its just fizzling out as it comes to the end and it isn't a very fitting end for a show that was once the most powerful show on TV and has been covered in controversy over the years.
You have to appreciate that the dip CBB6 and BB10 has seen is not a natural one.

BB9 saw a natural dip.

But BB10 so far is well down for its second show. Lack of LF must be having an effect.

If it was the live feed in CBB6 then why did the ratings not actually fall through the floor until the final week? The first week rated very well, the middle week OKish but nothing great and the last week awful. It was a rubbish series and was just generally boring.

BB10 has had one show so far. We won't get any indication how it will really do until Tuesday morning. Tonight is bound to be around 2m, but because Saturdays always are. Sunday has competition and is on too late, but even if it does do well it still probably won't be much of an indication because its a special show, so the next opportunity is most likely Monday night highlights. The ratings don't settle until about 2-3 weeks in anyway. They can go down, but they can go up as well. We'll just have to wait and see. Plus lets remember the 2.7m hasn't had the +1 added to it which is most likely to bring it up to at least 3m which makes the drop a fair bit smaller. Then with the official ratings about 2m will be lost from launch-highlights 1 which is about the same as most series'.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Matt08
Originally posted by Redmond
Originally posted by Matt08
Live feed probably hasn't had any effect on the viewing figures for Big Brother. People will still watch the highlights shows, regardless that they haven't had the live feed there.

The real reason for the show's downturn is that the show is getting old and people are slowly starting to get bored of it and have stopped watching.

A show in decline doesn't drop over a 1 million viewers compared to last years first HL show.

That isn't a steady decline, that is rapid.

It got beat by a repeat of Doc Martin last night for gods sake!

:hugesmile:

Ratings have been dropping for a few years now.

OK maybe when the numbers are in front of you, you will understand what people are talking about.

Series 8 (2007) - 4.0m
Series 9 (2008) - 3.8m
Series 10 (2009)- 2.7m

[Redmond]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Tom
I don't really think its *that* much to do with the live feed tbh. Of course it will have an effect but I don't think a drastic one. I think its just the BB format; the highlights show felt quite stale. The best thing they can do is bring it back down to 13 weeks (14 weeks is way too long, so is 13 but still) and postpone BB11 until 2011 when we won't be in a recession anymore so advertisers will be willing to spend more- so Channel 4 in theory should have more money. For 7 years we had Big Brother EVERYWHERE in the media, last year in a few places but not everywhere and now we've just reached a point where its still there but noone is taking any notice.

Then as BB will be off air for almost 2 years (just postpone contract) then let the power of nostalgia work its magic ... and BB can come back with somewhat of a bang. atm its just fizzling out as it comes to the end and it isn't a very fitting end for a show that was once the most powerful show on TV and has been covered in controversy over the years.
You have to appreciate that the dip CBB6 and BB10 has seen is not a natural one.

BB9 saw a natural dip.

But BB10 so far is well down for its second show. Lack of LF must be having an effect.

If it was the live feed in CBB6 then why did the ratings not actually fall through the floor until the final week? The first week rated very well, the middle week OKish but nothing great and the last week awful. It was a rubbish series and was just generally boring.

BB10 has had one show so far. We won't get any indication how it will really do until Tuesday morning. Tonight is bound to be around 2m, but because Saturdays always are. Sunday has competition and is on too late, but even if it does do well it still probably won't be much of an indication because its a special show, so the next opportunity is most likely Monday night highlights. The ratings don't settle until about 2-3 weeks in anyway. They can go down, but they can go up as well. We'll just have to wait and see. Plus lets remember the 2.7m hasn't had the +1 added to it which is most likely to bring it up to at least 3m which makes the drop a fair bit smaller. Then with the official ratings about 2m will be lost from launch-highlights 1 which is about the same as most series'.

Excuses Excuses.

Big Brother shouldn't need excuses. The show should never be dipping below 3mil (only on Saturdays as it always has). Phil Edgar Jones said himself, as long as the show is getting over 3mil viewers then it is safe. Well Mr Jones...it looks as if you'll be lucky to get 2mil by the end of this series.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

What you dont realise, and you probably will as the series goes on, is that even if you never watch LF, or only a few people watch it, they are the reason why a lot of viewers tune in to watch the highlights. Its kind of like preview, when you come to a forum and read that something interesting happened on LF. OR you read soemthing on the papers, or even hear through the grapevine, that something hapened. Thats what makes you want to watch the highlights the next day to see the clear picture. BEcause its never clear on LF, with sound cuts and stuff.

And what you don't realise is that not all highlights viewers visit a forum or read about the show that much. I don't watch the live feed but I know what happens tonight just as I would any other year. Usually if you told me 2 were going to walk on glass and a motorbike was going to drive over another I'd be counting down the hours, but I'm not too fussed this year. Not because of no live feed, I'm just starting to think BB is now past it.

Dude, dont even pretend like you werent the one telling us, tis not gonna have an effect. Its gonna be a good series. YOu were all excited as hell, and promised that the decline wont be so bad! ANd all of a sudden youre saying its normal, and that you just cant be bothered that much?
Sorry, but as someone who comes to forums, the LIve feed is affecting you, weather you watch it or not. YOu can deny all you want, but its the truth and you know it!

[President]

If it was the live feed in CBB6 then why did the ratings not actually fall through the floor until the final week? The first week rated very well, the middle week OKish but nothing great and the last week awful. It was a rubbish series and was just generally boring.
Actually the first week didn't rate well. It averaged just 3.7m for the first week. The lowest first week average in many years.

BB10 has had one show so far. We won't get any indication how it will really do until Tuesday morning. Tonight is bound to be around 2m, but because Saturdays always are. Sunday has competition and is on too late, but even if it does do well it still probably won't be much of an indication because its a special show, so the next opportunity is most likely Monday night highlights. The ratings don't settle until about 2-3 weeks in anyway. They can go down, but they can go up as well. We'll just have to wait and see. Plus lets remember the 2.7m hasn't had the +1 added to it which is most likely to bring it up to at least 3m which makes the drop a fair bit smaller. Then with the official ratings about 2m will be lost from launch-highlights 1 which is about the same as most series'.
Why are you being so defensive of the poor ratings? Traditionally in the last few years, the 1st highlights show has been one of the most watched highlights show of the entire series.

It's all down hill from here on unfortunately, unless there's a huge twist or event. The lack of live feed has caused a bigger decline than it would naturally see had lf been there.

[ILoveFreddie]

Originally posted by Tom
Then as BB will be off air for almost 2 years (just postpone contract) then let the power of nostalgia work its magic ... and BB can come back with somewhat of a bang. atm its just fizzling out as it comes to the end and it isn't a very fitting end for a show that was once the most powerful show on TV and has been covered in controversy over the years.
That is a good point I hadn't thought about.

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
What you dont realise, and you probably will as the series goes on, is that even if you never watch LF, or only a few people watch it, they are the reason why a lot of viewers tune in to watch the highlights. Its kind of like preview, when you come to a forum and read that something interesting happened on LF. OR you read soemthing on the papers, or even hear through the grapevine, that something hapened. Thats what makes you want to watch the highlights the next day to see the clear picture. BEcause its never clear on LF, with sound cuts and stuff.

If you havent realised the importance of it yet, trust me, you will soon!!
Yes you are completely right!! And none watchers might be bored at home, flick on any channel, see someone on BB they find interesting, and then consequently want to watch the HL show!

[Ethan.k]

REDMOND....love your sig but if i could just say one little thing that I think would make it better is that you should put the pics of each of the 2 housemates below the eye of their series, eg put nick and craig over at the far left under their series eye and the two siloettes under the BB10 eye:banana::banana::colour::colour::spin:

[Wildcat!]

Simple, because he thought it would be different, and that the Lack of live fee wont affect the show that much. BUt he now realises that it does, and most people who where complaining were right and will be proven even more right as time oges on!!

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

What you dont realise, and you probably will as the series goes on, is that even if you never watch LF, or only a few people watch it, they are the reason why a lot of viewers tune in to watch the highlights. Its kind of like preview, when you come to a forum and read that something interesting happened on LF. OR you read soemthing on the papers, or even hear through the grapevine, that something hapened. Thats what makes you want to watch the highlights the next day to see the clear picture. BEcause its never clear on LF, with sound cuts and stuff.

And what you don't realise is that not all highlights viewers visit a forum or read about the show that much. I don't watch the live feed but I know what happens tonight just as I would any other year. Usually if you told me 2 were going to walk on glass and a motorbike was going to drive over another I'd be counting down the hours, but I'm not too fussed this year. Not because of no live feed, I'm just starting to think BB is now past it.

So it was just completely coincidental that the first h/l show of the series got 1.1m less than the same one last year? I think not. C4's official media sources have been besieged with complaints - that doesn't happen when only a minority of viewers are involved. People who rarely look on forums etc suddenly realised yesterday that the daytime LF is gone. No, not on the red button. Not online. Not a couple of hours on e4 in the afternoon - gone.

You're twisting facts to make them fit your argument. 0.8m less watched last year, the 2.7 doesn't include +1. I did say that the live feed will has an effect but not a considerable one- and its clear there that there has been some effect but roughly what I expected- 0.3m at the very most and I've said that time and time again. First highlights on Channel 4 alone last year seen a 33% drop, yesterday had a 44% drop so thats a further 11% which is roughly my prediction. The whole of the drop (which is what a lot of people are implying) is not due to the live feed. Plus you can't blame the whole 11% on the live feed anyway- some people might have been out, others not interested in the show, others forgot etc.

[Wildcat!]

None of the numbers include the +1 ratings. The 3.8 million from last years first HL shows, doesnt include the +1 ratings either. Thats a none argument!

[Tom]

Originally posted by President
Actually the first week didn't rate well. It averaged just 3.7m for the first week. The lowest first week average in many years.

It was still higher than the series average for BB9 and take out the failed show in the middle of the week and it is exactly the same as the start of BB9.

Originally posted by President
Why are you being so defensive of the poor ratings? Traditionally in the last few years, the 1st highlights show has been one of the most watched highlights show of the entire series.

It's all down hill from here on unfortunately, unless there's a huge twist or event. The lack of live feed has caused a bigger decline than it would naturally see had lf been there.

I'm not being as defensive as you think, I'm just refuting what people keep saying that the decline is purely to do with the live feed which it is not.

[ILoveFreddie]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atchaOK maybe when the numbers are in front of you, you will understand what people are talking about.

Series 8 (2007) - 4.0m
Series 9 (2008) - 3.8m
Series 10 (2009)- 2.7m
Power with statistics ;)

[Redmond]

Originally posted by Ethan.k
REDMOND....love your sig but if i could just say one little thing that I think would make it better is that you should put the pics of each of the 2 housemates below the eye of their series, eg put nick and craig over at the far left under their series eye and the two siloettes under the BB10 eye:banana::banana::colour::colour::spin:

Ha, thanks. Maybe I'll have a play around with it. :tongue:

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
None of the numbers include the +1 ratings. The 3.8 million from last years first HL shows, doesnt include the +1 ratings either. Thats a none argument!

I think you'll find thats false. Just did a quick search.

http://archive.insidebigbrother.net/bb9/news/big-brother-drops-below-4m.ibb (LINK)

[President]

It was still higher than the series average for BB9 and take out the failed show in the middle of the week and it is exactly the same as the start of BB9.
Well of course it was going to be higher than the series average for BB9. The BB9 series average was the lowest at the time, and usually the first weeks are higher than the series average of the previous summer series.

Also, it was launched in January when more people are watchign TV.

I'm not being as defensive as you think, I'm just refuting what people keep saying that the decline is purely to do with the live feed which it is not.
I don't think anyone said it's "only" down to live feed. But LF is definitely one of the major factor.

You keep changing your stance. Before the series you said 0.3m down would be OK. But now you're saying 1.1m down or whatever it is is fine.

It's the kind of desperation I would expect of a C4 staff member.

[Ethan.k]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
None of the numbers include the +1 ratings. The 3.8 million from last years first HL shows, doesnt include the +1 ratings either. Thats a none argument!

I think you'll find thats false. Just did a quick search.

http://archive.removed.net/bb9/news/big-brother-drops-below-4m.ibb

links broken tom...

[Tom]

URG. They've banned insidebigbrother. Put that instead of removed

[Ethan.k]

Originally posted by Redmond
Originally posted by Ethan.k
REDMOND....love your sig but if i could just say one little thing that I think would make it better is that you should put the pics of each of the 2 housemates below the eye of their series, eg put nick and craig over at the far left under their series eye and the two siloettes under the BB10 eye:banana::banana::colour::colour::spin:

Ha, thanks. Maybe I'll have a play around with it. :tongue:

ok, im not criticising it, you just have the best sig on here and i think that that will be the cherry on top for me:dance:lol...thanks

[Stentionhouse]

Big Brother UK will certainly never return for series 11 unless C4 admit their mistake and take radical action fast. Leave it much longer and the viewers lost because of no live feed will never return again.

[President]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Big Brother UK will certainly never return for series 11 unless C4 admit their mistake and take radical action fast. Leave it much longer and the viewers lost because of no live feed will never return again.
Apparently they are seriously considering BB All Stars for BB11. Do you think that would work?

By the way - you may remember pre-series I was defensive of Channel 4's decision to axe LF, but I've chnaged my mind. Terrible decision.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Big Brother UK will certainly never return for series 11 unless C4 admit their mistake and take radical action fast. Leave it much longer and the viewers lost because of no live feed will never return again.

So Channel 4 will just break a contract and have to pay out when they could air what is essentially a free show and get some money for it? OK then ...

[Redmond]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Big Brother UK will certainly never return for series 11 unless C4 admit their mistake and take radical action fast. Leave it much longer and the viewers lost because of no live feed will never return again.

Nah, they'll do the All Stars series, they think it is "the only viable option for BB11".

That will be how they go out.

[President]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Big Brother UK will certainly never return for series 11 unless C4 admit their mistake and take radical action fast. Leave it much longer and the viewers lost because of no live feed will never return again.

So Channel 4 will just break a contract and have to pay out when they could air what is essentially a free show and get some money for it? OK then ...
It's not actually breaking a contract.

They can try re-negotiate the contract and there's probably a get-out clause if the show doesn't hit certain numbers.

[Tom]

Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Big Brother UK will certainly never return for series 11 unless C4 admit their mistake and take radical action fast. Leave it much longer and the viewers lost because of no live feed will never return again.

So Channel 4 will just break a contract and have to pay out when they could air what is essentially a free show and get some money for it? OK then ...
It's not actually breaking a contract.

They can try re-negotiate the contract and there's probably a get-out clause if the show doesn't hit certain numbers.

But the key one is Endemol. If they don't budge then Channel 4 will either have to show it or pay out. Plus BB11 has already been confirmed.

[President]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Big Brother UK will certainly never return for series 11 unless C4 admit their mistake and take radical action fast. Leave it much longer and the viewers lost because of no live feed will never return again.

So Channel 4 will just break a contract and have to pay out when they could air what is essentially a free show and get some money for it? OK then ...
It's not actually breaking a contract.

They can try re-negotiate the contract and there's probably a get-out clause if the show doesn't hit certain numbers.

But the key one is Endemol. If they don't budge then Channel 4 will either have to show it or pay out. Plus BB11 has already been confirmed.
You're wrong.

BB11 hasn't been 100% confirmed. It's written in the contract that they do BB11, but of course changes can happen like most contracts.

I hear from a very good source that Channel 4 had to extend this series by a week to compensate for the lack of live feed and Big Mouth, otherwise Endemol would not have allowed it.

So certain adaptations can occur.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Big Brother UK will certainly never return for series 11 unless C4 admit their mistake and take radical action fast. Leave it much longer and the viewers lost because of no live feed will never return again.
Apparently they are seriously considering BB All Stars for BB11. Do you think that would work?

By the way - you may remember pre-series I was defensive of Channel 4's decision to axe LF, but I've chnaged my mind. Terrible decision.

I think an all stars would be interesting. But it would also be a ratings failure because C4 have alienated the core audience now. It's such a shame, it was a great show for a long time. On the bright side, there's a big old world full of other stuff out there :thumbs:

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Big Brother UK will certainly never return for series 11 unless C4 admit their mistake and take radical action fast. Leave it much longer and the viewers lost because of no live feed will never return again.

So Channel 4 will just break a contract and have to pay out when they could air what is essentially a free show and get some money for it? OK then ...

It's not as simple as that. Endemol themselves are so concerned about the potential damage to the franchise that they may well end the contract by mutual agreement with C4.

[Nutters22000]

I miss live feed. Bring it back NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!:elephant:

[Tom]

Originally posted by President

You're wrong.

BB11 hasn't been 100% confirmed. It's written in the contract that they do BB11, but of course changes can happen like most contracts.

I hear from a very good source that Channel 4 had to extend this series by a week to compensate for the lack of live feed and Big Mouth, otherwise Endemol would not have allowed it.

So certain adaptations can occur.

Angela Jain and Davina have both confirmed it. And if Endemol break the contract, they already have the money to pay back and would only have to give back so much of what C4 paid in correspondence to the series they haven't produced.

Originally posted by Stentionhouse

It's not as simple as that. Endemol themselves are so concerned about the potential damage to the franchise that they may well end the contract by mutual agreement with C4.

What, so they can pitch it to another broadcaster who probably won't take it, then essentially they're losing out? And if Sky do take it (as so many keep saying, its dead in the water just face it) it will go sub 1m and even Endemol would prefer it on Channel 4 even if the final peaks at 3m. Endemol probably know the show has no chance in the near future of being picked up by anyone, so they might as well have it milked for all its worth.

[springnow]

i think understandable viewing figures falling,show been on 10 years, thats why i think channel 4 should show some care for there hard core viewers, keep dedicated fans happy, life feed

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by President

You're wrong.

BB11 hasn't been 100% confirmed. It's written in the contract that they do BB11, but of course changes can happen like most contracts.

I hear from a very good source that Channel 4 had to extend this series by a week to compensate for the lack of live feed and Big Mouth, otherwise Endemol would not have allowed it.

So certain adaptations can occur.

Angela Jain and Davina have both confirmed it. And if Endemol break the contract, they already have the money to pay back and would only have to give back so much of what C4 paid in correspondence to the series they haven't produced.

Originally posted by Stentionhouse

It's not as simple as that. Endemol themselves are so concerned about the potential damage to the franchise that they may well end the contract by mutual agreement with C4.

What, so they can pitch it to another broadcaster who probably won't take it, then essentially they're losing out? And if Sky do take it (as so many keep saying, its dead in the water just face it) it will go sub 1m and even Endemol would prefer it on Channel 4 even if the final peaks at 3m. Endemol probably know the show has no chance in the near future of being picked up by anyone, so they might as well have it milked for all its worth.

You're missing the point entirely. Endemol would make a lot more money from BBUK if it aired on Sky, thanks to that broadcasters vastly superior money making potential, even if the show only got 1m viewers. Sky is the gold mine. Murdoch wants BB and would charge viewers through the nose for the live feed - which would be completely uncensored, and for which we'd pay.

Trust me, Endemol have had enough of Channel 4 messing with their show. Just wait a while and see how things develop this series :wink:

[President]

Originally posted by Tom
Angela Jain and Davina have both confirmed it.
They have not 100% confirmed it. They've just said it's got another year to run in its contract, which is correct.

But if figures get really low, of course things could change. That's exactly what happened to Brookside. The contract was meant for a few years longer, but due to the poor ratings the contract was changed and ended quickly. Same for Family Affairs on Channel 5.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by President

You're wrong.

BB11 hasn't been 100% confirmed. It's written in the contract that they do BB11, but of course changes can happen like most contracts.

I hear from a very good source that Channel 4 had to extend this series by a week to compensate for the lack of live feed and Big Mouth, otherwise Endemol would not have allowed it.

So certain adaptations can occur.

Angela Jain and Davina have both confirmed it. And if Endemol break the contract, they already have the money to pay back and would only have to give back so much of what C4 paid in correspondence to the series they haven't produced.

Originally posted by Stentionhouse

It's not as simple as that. Endemol themselves are so concerned about the potential damage to the franchise that they may well end the contract by mutual agreement with C4.

What, so they can pitch it to another broadcaster who probably won't take it, then essentially they're losing out? And if Sky do take it (as so many keep saying, its dead in the water just face it) it will go sub 1m and even Endemol would prefer it on Channel 4 even if the final peaks at 3m. Endemol probably know the show has no chance in the near future of being picked up by anyone, so they might as well have it milked for all its worth.

You're missing the point entirely. Endemol would make a lot more money from BBUK if it aired on Sky, thanks to that broadcasters vastly superior money making potential, even if the show only got 1m viewers. Sky is the gold mine. Murdoch wants BB and would charge viewers through the nose for the live feed - which would be completely uncensored, and for which we'd pay.

Trust me, Endemol have had enough of Channel 4 messing with their show. Just wait a while and see how things develop this series :wink:

And do you have proof of this or is it just speculation? And how do you know they'll put a lot of effort into it and won't kill it before its started like Gladiators?

The thing about going to Sky is Sky renew shows year to year and aren't loyal to their shows. The series a show under performs is the year its gone. And even if it rates well sometimes they give their shows the boot anyway. So if it went to Sky now there would be a real danger it would only last one or two series'.

[Tom]

Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Tom
Angela Jain and Davina have both confirmed it.
They have not 100% confirmed it. They've just said it's got another year to run in its contract, which is correct.

But if figures get really low, of course things could change. That's exactly what happened to Brookside. The contract was meant for a few years longer, but due to the poor ratings the contract was changed and ended quickly. Same for Family Affairs on Channel 5.

If Endemol won't even let them cancel BBLB and Big Mouth when they were being watched by about 0.2m then what makes you think they'll let them cancel the main show when getting 2-3m?

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by President

You're wrong.

BB11 hasn't been 100% confirmed. It's written in the contract that they do BB11, but of course changes can happen like most contracts.

I hear from a very good source that Channel 4 had to extend this series by a week to compensate for the lack of live feed and Big Mouth, otherwise Endemol would not have allowed it.

So certain adaptations can occur.

Angela Jain and Davina have both confirmed it. And if Endemol break the contract, they already have the money to pay back and would only have to give back so much of what C4 paid in correspondence to the series they haven't produced.

Originally posted by Stentionhouse

It's not as simple as that. Endemol themselves are so concerned about the potential damage to the franchise that they may well end the contract by mutual agreement with C4.

What, so they can pitch it to another broadcaster who probably won't take it, then essentially they're losing out? And if Sky do take it (as so many keep saying, its dead in the water just face it) it will go sub 1m and even Endemol would prefer it on Channel 4 even if the final peaks at 3m. Endemol probably know the show has no chance in the near future of being picked up by anyone, so they might as well have it milked for all its worth.

You're missing the point entirely. Endemol would make a lot more money from BBUK if it aired on Sky, thanks to that broadcasters vastly superior money making potential, even if the show only got 1m viewers. Sky is the gold mine. Murdoch wants BB and would charge viewers through the nose for the live feed - which would be completely uncensored, and for which we'd pay.

Trust me, Endemol have had enough of Channel 4 messing with their show. Just wait a while and see how things develop this series :wink:

And do you have proof of this or is it just speculation? And how do you know they'll put a lot of effort into it and won't kill it before its started like Gladiators?

The thing about going to Sky is Sky renew shows year to year and aren't loyal to their shows. The series a show under performs is the year its gone. And even if it rates well sometimes they give their shows the boot anyway. So if it went to Sky now there would be a real danger it would only last one or two series'.

I know someone who works for Endemol, who has given me lots of kosher info in the past. It's not just Sky who are interested - the BBC are too. That would be a major coup, but they have to be careful as they're publicly funded.

Whoever takes it (and someone will, for sure), they'd be hard pushed to make a bigger mess of it than C4 have this past three years.

[Tom]

Big Brother on the BBC?! Where exactly would they slot it for 10-13 weeks? How more diluted would it get? How long before pressure grew to drop it?

The only place would be BBC3 where it would probably be presented by some random 90's girlband member, diluted to hell and even more of a non-event than it is now.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Tom
Big Brother on the BBC?! Where exactly would they slot it for 10-13 weeks? How more diluted would it get? How long before pressure grew to drop it?

The only place would be BBC3 where it would probably be presented by some random 90's girlband member, diluted to hell and even more of a non-event than it is now.

We'd at least have the live feed on the Beeb - their red button service is the bollocks :thumbs2:

[Sam!]

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[InsertNameHere]

WE NEED IT BACK!

[Tom4784]

All this fuss about live feed, you only want it because you don't have it anymore. The ratings of it were terrible and it was financially unviable, I don't blame them for scaling it back. Would you piss away money so a tiny audience can watch the HM's clip their toenails? You wouldn't, bitching about it constantly won't bring it back.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by Tom
Big Brother on the BBC?! Where exactly would they slot it for 10-13 weeks? How more diluted would it get? How long before pressure grew to drop it?

The only place would be BBC3 where it would probably be presented by some random 90's girlband member, diluted to hell and even more of a non-event than it is now.

We'd at least have the live feed on the Beeb - their red button service is the ******** :thumbs2:

... apart from when Wimbledon is on, oh and in World Cup/Euro/Olympics/Commonwealth years :thumbs:

It would have to be moved away from the summer which probably wouldn't work as well

[James]

No personal insults against another posters thanks. Keep the discussions civil.

[Whenyoutouchme]

Originally posted by Bradley!
No.
I'm really trying hard to keep my patience but **** ABOUT LIVE FEED.
i agree, ur taking the ****in piss, we've had enough listenin to u's complaining about the live feed, its not comin back, face facts, get a grip and make do with what you got for christ sake.