France wants to ban women from wearing burkhas [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

Captain.Remy

23-06-2009, 11:51 AM

Message original : 30stone
Originally posted by Ninastar
Thats a bit unfiar if its a part of a religion.

But they have come to france to live, so they must live by french law.

Exactly. France is a democracy + a laic country. There's no official religion here, we're free to have any religion we want but we can't expose any religion signs at work and in public places.

When I have worked in England, it ''shocked'' me that a muslim woman did wear one. I wasn't used to it, women can't do that here.

FrenchAffair2

23-06-2009, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : 30stone
Originally posted by Ninastar
Thats a bit unfiar if its a part of a religion.

But they have come to france to live, so they must live by french law.

Exactly. France is a democracy + a laic country. There's no official religion here, we're free to have any religion we want but we can't expose any religion signs at work and in public places.

When I have worked in England, it ''shocked'' me that a muslim woman did wear one. I wasn't used to it, women can't do that here.

it has nothing to do with showing it in public, it has to do with separating them from french culture. If they wish to leave what ever **** country they come from to enjoy a better life here in France then they should be willing to accept French culture, society and standards. One of which is women don't walk around with giant sheets over themselves.

Captain.Remy

23-06-2009, 12:04 PM

Message original : FrenchAffair2

it has nothing to do with showing it in public, it has to do with separating them from french culture. If they wish to leave what ever **** country they come from to enjoy a better life here in France then they should be willing to accept French culture, society and standards. One of which is women don't walk around with giant sheets over themselves.

It's got everything to do with showing it in public, it's against what France stands for: laicity, which is a big principle here.
I do agree they have to adapt themselves to the French culture and our society. And they are still criticizing what they got here while they wouldn't complain about anything in their own country. It pi$$ses me off. If they aren't happy about it, they should go back to where they belong.

bansheewails

23-06-2009, 12:09 PM

It would be a bit like me turning up for work in a balaclava! Its hard when you can't see facial expressions and its just another way to keep a woman down!

FrenchAffair2

23-06-2009, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : FrenchAffair2

it has nothing to do with showing it in public, it has to do with separating them from french culture. If they wish to leave what ever **** country they come from to enjoy a better life here in France then they should be willing to accept French culture, society and standards. One of which is women don't walk around with giant sheets over themselves.

It's got everything to do with showing it in public, it's against what France stands for: laicity, which is a big principle here.
I do agree they have to adapt themselves to the French culture and our society. And they are still criticizing what they got here while they wouldn't complain about anything in their own country. It pi$$ses me off. If they aren't happy about it, they should go back to where they belong.

laicity is just the seperation of state and religion which exists in pretty much every european nation.

Ninastar

23-06-2009, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Ninastar
Thats a bit unfiar if its a part of a religion.

But they have come to france to live, so they must live by french law.

True.

Captain.Remy

23-06-2009, 12:12 PM

Message original : FrenchAffair2

laicity is just the seperation of state and religion which exists in pretty much every european nation.

So what ? These countries didn't react the same way and are maybe less 'protective' about that principle. France is very attached to it, we even got threaten by Bin Laden if we don't take that law back (the one about religions signs a few years ago)
You just cannot expose it in public places, simple as.

arista

23-06-2009, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Ninastar
Thats a bit unfiar if its a part of a religion.

France does not Care.

And I Know there is no God.

Ninastar

23-06-2009, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by Ninastar
Thats a bit unfiar if its a part of a religion.

France does not Care.

And I Know there is no God.

Yeh I agree about the god thing. I just dont see how it can happen.

Captain.Remy

23-06-2009, 12:14 PM

Message original : arista
Originally posted by Ninastar
Thats a bit unfiar if its a part of a religion.

France does not Care.

And I Know there is no God.

So are you against or for this law ?

And you take the 'There is no god' from your point of view of course. :thumbs: But yet this is not the debate right now.

arista

23-06-2009, 12:17 PM

It is Typical of France.

This is why we must get Out of the Select Corrupt Club the EU.

GiRTh

23-06-2009, 12:17 PM

Do you think it'll happen Remy? It seems a bit extreme to me.

lily.

23-06-2009, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
France is a laic country so it's all fair. Religion signs are forbidden in public place, burkha is one of them. They can do that in private but not outside.
A big majority of French people agrees with this law.

I agree with this law too.

30stone

23-06-2009, 12:18 PM

Im unsure, France has been talking about it for over a year now, so could take any time.

Like the driving age in England has taken like almost 4 years to be changed.

I don't really mind if they do or don't i think after a while they will, but it will cause uproar.

Captain.Remy

23-06-2009, 12:19 PM

Message original : GiRTh
Do you think it'll happen Remy? It seems a bit extreme to me.

Oh yes it will and sooner than we think. It's the national hot topic right now. It's a priority in Sarkozy's mind. And he's right to be honest. I'm a christian and I'm not alowed to show a cross so why would those muslim women do have the right to expose their religion choices ? Unfair.

Captain.Remy

23-06-2009, 12:20 PM

Message original : arista
It is Typical of France.

This is why we must get Out of the Select Corrupt Club the EU.

Care to elaborate ? :thumbs:

lily.

23-06-2009, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by 30stone
Im unsure, France has been talking about it for over a year now, so could take any time.

Like the driving age in England has taken like almost 4 years to be changed.

I don't really mind if they do or don't i think after a while they will, but it will cause uproar.

It changed? I didn't know.

lily.

23-06-2009, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : GiRTh
Do you think it'll happen Remy? It seems a bit extreme to me.

Oh yes it will and sooner than we think. It's the national hot topic right now. It's a priority in Sarkozy's mind. And he's right to be honest. I'm a christian and I'm not alowed to show a cross so why would those muslim women do have the right to expose their religion choices ? Unfair.

People in high places are over-sensitive to the muslim religion.

I don't think muslims should be treated worse than non-muslims, but nor do I think they should be treated better.

Also, someone raised a good point about adapting to the country you live in. I totally agree with that. I hate when someone goes to one of the countries with strict moral laws, then complains they can't get their tits out on the beach. If you don't like the law of the land, don't go there.

It's about respecting the country and the laws of that country. I wouldn't go and live in a lot of countries of the world, because I don't agree with their laws/customs. If muslim women (or those who think for them) wish to wear their burkhas, they should live in a country where that's acceptable practice.

arista

23-06-2009, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : arista
It is Typical of France.

This is why we must get Out of the Select Corrupt Club the EU.

Care to elaborate ? :thumbs:

France is a Catholic Nation
of Farmers
so it is Typical.

30stone

23-06-2009, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by lili
Originally posted by 30stone
Im unsure, France has been talking about it for over a year now, so could take any time.

Like the driving age in England has taken like almost 4 years to be changed.

I don't really mind if they do or don't i think after a while they will, but it will cause uproar.

It changed? I didn't know.

Yes apparently people who are born after 1992 have to be 18 now,

I think. Thats just what i was told the other week.

Captain.Remy

23-06-2009, 12:27 PM

Message original : arista
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : arista
It is Typical of France.

This is why we must get Out of the Select Corrupt Club the EU.

Care to elaborate ? :thumbs:

France is a Catholic Nation
of Farmers
so it is Typical.

We're not in 1800 anymore you know. Things have changed. :thumbs:

And we aren't all farmers lol Less than UK if you ask me. :laugh:

Matt08

23-06-2009, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by lili
Originally posted by 30stone
Im unsure, France has been talking about it for over a year now, so could take any time.

Like the driving age in England has taken like almost 4 years to be changed.

I don't really mind if they do or don't i think after a while they will, but it will cause uproar.

It changed? I didn't know.

Yes apparently people who are born after 1992 have to be 18 now,

I think. Thats just what i was told the other week.

Yeah, that's right.

lily.

23-06-2009, 12:30 PM

Oh, cheers Ben.. hadn't heard about that. I wonder if it applies in Scotland too.

-I passed my test in 1992- lol

lily.

23-06-2009, 12:31 PM

arista, I find your generalisations about France quite offensive.

arista

23-06-2009, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by lili
arista, I find your generalisations about France quite offensive.

Having been in France
I know there attitude stinks.

Sign Of The Times.

arista

23-06-2009, 12:46 PM

Capt.Remy
France thinks like Farmers.
That is the problem.

Captain.Remy

23-06-2009, 12:55 PM

Message original : arista
Capt.Remy
France thinks like Farmers.
That is the problem.

Right. I think you reached your lowest point of 'French frog' but it looks like you're digging your hole deeper....Mr Roast Beef. :laugh:

We may be very conservative but at least we have a government which does actually things and spared us of that huge financial crisis. Well, we're less affected than the rest thanks to our government. If we were all farmers we would have been right dead.
Now tell me, who between British and French are the biggest farmers huh ? :wink:

Captain.Remy

23-06-2009, 12:56 PM

Message original : arista
Originally posted by lili
arista, I find your generalisations about France quite offensive.

Having been in France
I know there attitude stinks.

Sign Of The Times.

We know that, we're the worst tourists in the whole world and the less welcoming of all but still, it's the most visited country in the world. :thumbs:

Back on topic now, just tell me how that law is bad Arista. And in a full paragraph please, not 2 sentences that don't mean anything.

arista

23-06-2009, 12:58 PM

Our Farmers have scalled down
due to lack of proper funding.

Roast Beef is Cool.

The French Company Total in the UK can do things
they can not in the Farming Nation of France.

arista

23-06-2009, 01:00 PM

The law is Typical of France
who are changing under New Political Directions.
More will come,
it will keep them in power
so I can see why he does it.

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/var/news/storage/images/world/french_farmers_fight_eu_milk_liberalisation/1169387-1-eng-GB/french_farmers_fight_eu_milk_liberalisation_large. jpg

EU Mess
upsets French Farmers.

monkeyking87

23-06-2009, 01:07 PM

I saw this on the news last night. Had a bit of an argument about it with my housemate. He said they should all pack off home and they have no right and went on a rather vulgar foreigner rant.

As I foreigner in France I can sympathise with these people however it doesn't mean I agree. I'm against the somewhat "Danielle Llyod" views but when we look at it in black and white the law is the law.

I'm no fan of Sarko but for once I actually agree. The one thing I love about France is that there is no actual religion, no desire to know one's religion and everyone is equal because of that. Coming from a very broken island it's very refreshing to see a no tolerance act on anything remotely religious. Repeating what lots of people have said you live by the laws of the land. France is a brave modern country daring to remind people that we are not living in the days where Rome was Emperor of the World and showing that equality for everyone is more important than being afraid of relaitve minorities who do their best to topple the apple cart.

I've been in France for almost a year now. I love this country and will be forever grateful for the opprtunites I have been given. I hope to spend my life here or if not another few years at least. I really don't think I or any other newcomers to France have the right to moan and complain because IMO they should be very grateful that another country would have them especially one that has such strict immagration laws as France.

arista

23-06-2009, 01:11 PM

Yes
I can see how you see France as being Brave.

lily.

23-06-2009, 01:11 PM

Well said Patrick! :thumbs:

GiRTh

23-06-2009, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Oh yes it will and sooner than we think. It's the national hot topic right now. It's a priority in Sarkozy's mind. And he's right to be honest. I'm a christian and I'm not alowed to show a cross so why would those muslim women do have the right to expose their religion choices ? Unfair. I didnt know the laws were so strict.. I suppose that is a much fairer system than the general ethnis bias that exists in this contry. I thought that because there was a large influx of immigrants from Africa that France had more or less the same laws as the UK.

monkeyking87

23-06-2009, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by arista
Yes
I can see how you see France as being Brave.

Good then!

Case Closed!
:spin2:

Cheers lil!
:dog:

JOSHUAH!

23-06-2009, 02:06 PM

I think people should be able to show their religion, its so dumb Christian's can't wear a cross.

In soloution to all of this, why not just let everybody wear what they want -I totally don't agree with a banning of the Burkha, its stereotypical. Yes, its a defence in a way - we can't really see facial expressions, BUT the whole point of a Burkha is that the woman doesn't wish for herself to be seen because she doesn't want men drooling over her.

Its just personal choice - like the Hijab, I know someone who wears that, and yes its much less defensive than the Burkha because the woman is only covering her hair and neck, but its just down to personal choice. France cannot just ORDER these people to forget their religion - it should be a multi-racial country with a mix of religions and cultures, and if it includes wearing a Burkha, Hijab, Cross, Sari, whatever, it should be allowed.

Tom

23-06-2009, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Matt08
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by lili
Originally posted by 30stone
Im unsure, France has been talking about it for over a year now, so could take any time.

Like the driving age in England has taken like almost 4 years to be changed.

I don't really mind if they do or don't i think after a while they will, but it will cause uproar.

It changed? I didn't know.

Yes apparently people who are born after 1992 have to be 18 now,

I think. Thats just what i was told the other week.

Yeah, that's right.

It hasn't, its a myth that goes around every year, it was even there when I was 16 saying anyone born in 89 onwards will have to be 18 to drive, and even on the DVLA site it has people down as 17 years old to get a provisional and half of the people born in 1992 will be 17 now anyway. Its like the drinking age is going up to 21 myth.

Anyway I actually agree with the ban on them, I find them quite intimidating tbh and I'm not easy intimidated. I've got no problem with the other ones where you can see their face. I don't like not being able to see peoples faces.

monkeyking87

23-06-2009, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by JOSHUAH!
I think people should be able to show their religion, its so dumb Christian's can't wear a cross, yet Muslim women can wear Burkha's.

In soloution to all of this, why not just let everybody wear what they want -I totally don't agree with a banning of the Burkha, its stereotypical. Yes, its a defence in a way - we can't really see facial expressions, BUT the whole point of a Burkha is that the woman doesn't wish for herself to be seen because she doesn't want men drooling over her.

Its just personal choice - like the Hijab, I know someone who wears that, and yes its much less defensive because the woman is only covering her hair and neck, but its just down to personal choice. France cannot just ORDER these people to forget their religion - it should be a multi-racial country with a mix of religions and cultures, and if it includes wearing a Burkha, Hijab, Cross, Sari, whatever, it should be allowed.

I see your point however I don't really agree. If you let everyone do what they want where do we draw the line? Creating huge cities and areas were everyone's "choice" is to elminate anyone who doesn't wear a burka or a cross or who doesn't identify with a social norm or religious group?

I think you'll find that France can do pretty much whatever it wants. It isn't breaching anyone's right to practice a religion in fact it is liberating the population to create a country of equals instead of walking on eggshells around certain groups of people. Case in point being the UK which has arguably become one of the most overly PC country in the world.

People can do what they like in their own homes and dress in whatever fashion they want. In France you can be fined for walking down a street with no top on. I was shocked to hear this and don't agree with it.

I had 2 choices:
Accept it and respect the law of the land
or
Leave

I suggest that anyone who doesn't agree with the laws of the land finds a new country with laws that are more suited to them.

Captain.Remy

23-06-2009, 03:30 PM

Thanks Patrick for that. It's refreshing to hear that from a foreigner's point of view. :hugesmile:

letmein

23-06-2009, 11:41 PM

Governent should not be dictating what people can wear for religious purposes UNLESS they're doing it for safety concern. If your face is covered, criminals can get through security undetected.

France is an absolute mess. They tried to prosecute Bridget Bardot for her anti-Muslim views. She actually had to go to court in France. Give me a break.

Tom4784

23-06-2009, 11:55 PM

I think if they do that then it should be equal for all other religions too.

Either ban religious clothing and items in public altogether or have all religious items and clothing allowed. It's only fair that in a democracy a individual should be allowed to practice their religion if they choose to. I can see where they are coming from with the health angle but surely it's a decision for the individuals?

lily.

24-06-2009, 07:52 AM

Religious clothing and items are already banned in public Dean. Remy says he isn't allowed to wear a cross.

So, with that in mind, it should be one rule for all.

arista

24-06-2009, 09:26 AM

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Jun/Week4/15316143.jpg

Now The Express
has a Idea.

Captain.Remy

24-06-2009, 09:36 AM

Message original : Dezzy
I think if they do that then it should be equal for all other religions too.

Either ban religious clothing and items in public altogether or have all religious items and clothing allowed. It's only fair that in a democracy a individual should be allowed to practice their religion if they choose to. I can see where they are coming from with the health angle but surely it's a decision for the individuals?

I agree, it should be equal to everyone hence I'm for this law.

I can wear a cross and I do but I can't show it, it's under my t-shirt. So why I am forbidden to show a religion sign while muslim women are allowed to ? It's not fair.
It is a laic country, a republic and a democracy, so in public places, religion signs are forbidden.

bananarama

25-06-2009, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Ninastar
Thats a bit unfiar if its a part of a religion.

Just because something is based on religion does not make it right. Far Far From it.

Religion is all about control freakism.....Women should be freed from male dominated control freakism along with the religious brainwashing of children.......

I wish Britain had the good sense of France.....

hannah.

25-06-2009, 06:33 PM

highly agree with linda.

odd.

hannah.

25-06-2009, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by arista
http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Jun/Week4/15316143.jpg

Now The Express
has a Idea.

at work theres like 10 different papers in our office every day and i laughed aloud at that subheading

bananarama

25-06-2009, 06:45 PM

The wearing of any religious item be it clothing ot trinkets is done simply to consolodate the brainwashing aspect of religion on a daily and hourly basis......Indeed all elements of religious control freakism from all religions should be banned.....

If people want to flaunt their religion of their own free will then it should be done in private so as not to offend opposing faiths.......