Theist, Atheist, Agnostic? [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

23-06-2009, 11:29 PM

Atheist, I think I'd be very easily swayed if I saw something really conclusive that proved the existence of God, I wouldn't go into denial or whatever, but as I've not been presented with any decent argument that has convinced me to date, I'm still an atheist. I wouldn't say I'm agnostic because I'm not really open to the concept of believing in God, but I think if I was given conclusive proof I would become a theist, if that makes sense?

Tom

23-06-2009, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by Princess
Athiest. But I do believe that is there some external force that controls karma and all that. I also believe in fate and that everything happens for a reason.

You're agnostic then. Atheism is just believing this is it and we/science control everything.

I'm agnostic as well ...... there has to be more but the bible is a load of bullcrap

Princess

23-06-2009, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Princess
Athiest. But I do believe that is there some external force that controls karma and all that. I also believe in fate and that everything happens for a reason.

You're agnostic then. Atheism is just believing this is it and we/science control everything.

I'm agnostic as well ...... there has to be more but the bible is a load of bullcrap

Hmm than I thought very many people are atheists then. Karma happens,fate is real,it's not all us. I don't say very many people believe in nothing but ourselves.

Natalie.

24-06-2009, 08:31 PM

Atheist

LemonJam

24-06-2009, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Shaun
Agnostic. More so in the sense that I 'don't really care'.

Same, although my familys very Christian.

Christina

24-06-2009, 09:07 PM

I'm Thiest [Christian]

Lauren

24-06-2009, 09:10 PM

Neither.

I am not atheist, because I do not accept the concept of "God".
I am not agnostic, for the same reason.

I guess my views don't have a label, because they're customised to my own beliefs?

Tom

24-06-2009, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
Neither.

I am not atheist, because I do not accept the concept of "God".
I am not agnostic, for the same reason.

I guess my views don't have a label, because they're customised to my own beliefs?

I'm agnostic and don't have a concept of God. To be agnostic you just have to believe there is more to the world than science can eventually prove, whether its ghosts, karma, life after death whatever.

Most people think they're atheists when they're really not (I thought the same at one point)

Atheism isn't just not believing in God

bronaaaa

24-06-2009, 09:25 PM

Theist, I'm doubtfull but, its just a phase though

Lauren

24-06-2009, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Lauren
Neither.

I am not atheist, because I do not accept the concept of "God".
I am not agnostic, for the same reason.

I guess my views don't have a label, because they're customised to my own beliefs?

I'm agnostic and don't have a concept of God. To be agnostic you just have to believe there is more to the world than science can eventually prove, whether its ghosts, karma, life after death whatever.

Most people think they're atheists when they're really not (I thought the same at one point)

Atheism isn't just not believing in God

No, agnosticism refers directly to a deity, which in turn refers directly to a sole "controller". Since I do not give way to that concept, I'm not qualified under the term 'agnostic'.
If anything, I'm "agnostic atheist", but I don't even strictly come under that.

Btw, you're also wrong about "To be agnostic you just have to believe there is more to the world than science can eventually prove" - because there is the agnosticism branch that understands that objectively these things don't exist.

Tom

24-06-2009, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Lauren
Neither.

I am not atheist, because I do not accept the concept of "God".
I am not agnostic, for the same reason.

I guess my views don't have a label, because they're customised to my own beliefs?

I'm agnostic and don't have a concept of God. To be agnostic you just have to believe there is more to the world than science can eventually prove, whether its ghosts, karma, life after death whatever.

Most people think they're atheists when they're really not (I thought the same at one point)

Atheism isn't just not believing in God

No, agnosticism refers directly to a deity, which in turn refers directly to a sole "controller". Since I do not give way to that concept, I'm not qualified under the term 'agnostic'.
If anything, I'm "agnostic atheist", but I don't even strictly come under that.

Btw, you're also wrong about "To be agnostic you just have to believe there is more to the world than science can eventually prove" - because there is the agnosticism branch that understands that objectively these things don't exist.

You're kind of wrong Lauren (I've always wanted to say that, well without the kind of :tongue:)

The basics to agnosticism is, to quote a definition, "the doctrine that certainty about first principles or absolute truth is unattainable and that only perceptual phenomena are objects of exact knowledge". A god obviously plays a big part in it but it isn't necessary because agnosticism is concerned with knowledge rather than beliefs. A lot of other definitions use the subject of knowing whether or not a god exists, whilst many don't. If it was a crucial point it would be in all definitions and in some definitions is only used for effect to demonstrate the type of knowledge we can never gain.

In essence, agnostics don't care either way and think there could be something else, but there also might not be. We'll never find out anyway (well not in this life, assuming there is an afterlife) so its pointless arguing over it.

Lauren

24-06-2009, 09:38 PM

Tom, without meaning to sound patronising, there are different types of agnosticism. All of them surrounding a concept of a deity, or the knowledge thereof of a deity. Both including the term "deity", even if the latter is simply the knowledge of.

You were right when you said that was the "basics" to agnosticism. :tongue:

Edit: Wait a second, we're both arguing the same point? LMAO. I think that means you misunderstood my initial point of not being labelled agnostic.

I'll try and say it basic cos my mind goes ahead of me at times.

If we take the definition of agnostic as being "An agnostic believes that the nature of God and/or supernatural are unknown and unknowable by human beings, if they exist at all" - which we've both agreed with. Then the reason I do not fall under that, is because in order to have knowledge (and lack thereof), you have to accept the concept of it.

Fom

24-06-2009, 09:41 PM

I am atheist, a large atheist. I don't believe in god and never will, I believe that just because we can't prove something doesn't mean there is a magic man in the sky, it took us thousand of years to learn what we know, these things take time.

Tom

24-06-2009, 09:46 PM

This is all confusing Lauren we're arguing the same thing but pretending we're not :puzzled::joker:

Nicky.

24-06-2009, 10:21 PM

Exactly what Fom said, Athiest, always will be.

I, in no way, believe that a magic man in the sky created everything, everything evolved over millions of years.

I was brought up this way, dads parents brought him up going to church every Sunday, and he hated it... he rebelled at 16 ish and never went near church again! xD

Stardoll

25-06-2009, 01:08 AM

I'm agnostic, leaning towards atheist.

Scarlett.

25-06-2009, 04:56 PM

Theist

Athiests moan about peoples beliefs and how its forced on them, then they try to make everyone beleive what they beleive, hypocrites

pinkmichk

25-06-2009, 05:02 PM

theist

Fom

25-06-2009, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Chewy
Theist

Athiests moan about peoples beliefs and how its forced on them, then they try to make everyone beleive what they beleive, hypocrites

I don't force it on anyone, I do think people are stupid for being religious but I don't force it on anyone. I just think life is too short to follow rules like the bible and things say, live life the way you want too, have morals obviously but come on, you only live once!

Stardoll

25-06-2009, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by Chewy
Theist

Athiests moan about peoples beliefs and how its forced on them, then they try to make everyone beleive what they beleive, hypocrites

They say that because religious people can sometimes be a bit pushy, if for no other reason than their holy book tells them to recruit members to their church. I haven't seen many atheists do that, frankly.

I "let" everyone have their own beliefs, although there is nothing to let. Individualism for the win! :joker:

Fangz

25-06-2009, 06:14 PM

Militant atheist.

hannah.

25-06-2009, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Christina
I'm Thiest [Christian]

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 11:12 AM

The early Christians were called atheists you know.

Patrick

30-03-2010, 11:15 AM

The early Christians were called atheists you know.

You had to bump a thread to say that.

My god.

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 11:18 AM

You had to bump a thread to say that.

My god.

God has a capital.

I had to bump it as an antidote to your terrible "random" thread, you left me no choice.

Patrick

30-03-2010, 11:19 AM

God has a capital.

I had to bump it as an antidote to your terrible "random" thread, you left me no choice.

You had to bump this because a thread about the weather made you?

What the **** goes on in that brain of yours?

And who the hell decided 'god' has a capital?
I can spell it whatever way I want.

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 11:25 AM

You had to bump this because a thread about the weather made you?

What the **** goes on in that brain of yours?

And who the hell decided 'god' has a capital?
I can spell it whatever way I want.

Your thread was not about weather it was merely attention seeking. God has a capital in the same way as Patrick has a capital, twonk on the other hand does not need a capital.

arista

30-03-2010, 11:26 AM

Are you Theist (Beleive in God)
Atheist (Dont beleive in God)
Agnostic (Are open to the idea)

If you're none of the above, state in post.

Just Interested.

Im Atheist, I wish I was able to beleive but I cant.

There Is No God
Utter Fact.

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 11:31 AM

There Is No God
Utter Fact.

There is a God

Utter Fact.

Sign of the Times

Patrick

30-03-2010, 11:35 AM

Your thread was not about weather it was merely attention seeking. God has a capital in the same way as Patrick has a capital, twonk on the other hand does not need a capital.

What utter ****ing bollocks.

TiBB is so dead without Big Brother, everyone knows that.
How the **** does a thread about it snowing out the blue, mean im attention seeking you ****ing turd.

Jessica made a thread a few hours after me, on the same matter so surely we both cant be attention seeking over the fact it was snowing.

**** about God, no one wants to hear about him, No one gives a **** about him, god you must be missing Gavin eh?

Patrick

30-03-2010, 11:35 AM

There Is No God
Utter Fact.

Well Said Arista.

Legend.

Patrick

30-03-2010, 11:36 AM

There is a God

Utter Fact.

Sign of the Times

Utter Fact?
Sorry okay, me and the others who dont belive in God will apologize if you can give us ONE FACT that shows everyone for a fact that god is real.

Theres nothing what so ever.

A Stupid Book that anyone could of wrote, very good.
Some little 'Sightings' on the back of cars, or in peoples frying pans.. Yes amazing.

:rolleyes:

Tom

30-03-2010, 11:38 AM

arista

30-03-2010, 11:44 AM

There is a God

Utter Fact.

You are being Fooled.

There is No God
Utter Fact

Life In The City.

arista

30-03-2010, 11:45 AM

Well Said Arista.

Legend.

Super Wise Pat.

Shasown

30-03-2010, 11:50 AM

Stu

30-03-2010, 11:54 AM

Love it, statements of utter fact from both sides of the idiot divide and neither side can produce definitive proof to support their belief.

Like watching some form of intellectual tennis being played by wuckfits.

Who needs TV when we have the TIBB pantomine?
It's great, aint it! :blush:

It's like watching Cheech & Chong trying to descipher a rubix cube.

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 12:08 PM

Love it, statements of utter fact from both sides of the idiot divide and neither side can produce definitive proof to support their belief.

Like watching some form of intellectual tennis being played by wuckfits.

Who needs TV when we have the TIBB pantomine?

to assume that simply mimicking Arista's completely irrelevant pov and producing the opposite to illustrate its futility, is serious, simply illustrates your constant desire for "status" around here.

:whistle:

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 12:14 PM

What utter ****ing bollocks.
TiBB is so dead without Big Brother, everyone knows that.
How the **** does a thread about it snowing out the blue, mean im attention seeking you ****ing turd.
Jessica made a thread a few hours after me, on the same matter so surely we both cant be attention seeking over the fact it was snowing.
**** about God, no one wants to hear about him, No one gives a **** about him, god you must be missing Gavin eh?

Whilst pmt gets all the headlines, I think the teenage male problem of lack of sexual contact is an under-rated condition. In this case the male has a double problem of lack of sex and an attitude not conducive to "any time soon".

fascinating.

arista

30-03-2010, 12:29 PM

Love it, statements of utter fact from both sides of the idiot divide and neither side can produce definitive proof to support their belief.

Like watching some form of intellectual tennis being played by wuckfits.

Who needs TV when we have the TIBB pantomine?

Yes thats why Aritsa Vs. Gavin
was demanded by many
on this Worldwide TIBB Site.

Shasown

30-03-2010, 12:34 PM

to assume that simply mimicking Arista's completely irrelevant pov and producing the opposite to illustrate its futility, is serious, simply illustrates your constant desire for "status" around here.

:whistle:

"mimicking aristas point of view", me? PMSL LTSOP #3 and 4 again. Far from it as Arista is on the other side of the tennis net from yourself. Both of you are stating opinions you hold as utter fact yet neither of you can provide proof other than "it is because I say it is"

As for the attempt to put me on the back foot, by stating I am seeking status, I cant think of anything I want more than to be a "King of the Hill" on this forum, it would so make my humdrum life seem worth it, (thats dripping in sarcasm by the way). Though obviously a counter accusation of hypocrisy would be more than accurate, a point which obviously went right over your head.

Shasown

30-03-2010, 12:36 PM

Yes thats why Aritsa Vs. Gavin
was demanded by many
on this Worldwide TIBB Site.

What about Arista versus Leather Trumpet? A poor substitute I know but the best I can offer at such short notice.

Bread and Circuses, eh?

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 12:45 PM

"mimicking aristas point of view", me? PMSL LTSOP #3 and 4 again. Far from it as Arista is on the other side of the tennis net from yourself. Both of you are stating opinions you hold as utter fact yet neither of you can provide proof other than "it is because I say it is"

As for the attempt to put me on the back foot, by stating I am seeking status, I cant think of anything I want more than to be a "King of the Hill" on this forum, it would so make my humdrum life seem worth it, (thats dripping in sarcasm by the way). Though obviously a counter accusation of hypocrisy would be more than accurate, a point which obviously went right over your head.

no you doughnut. I mimicked his silly pov and just reversed it, not you!

Shasown

30-03-2010, 01:08 PM

no you doughnut. I mimicked his silly pov and just reversed it, not you!

Yes and presented everyone with an amusing situation, your normally expressed view.

Isnt Irony wonderful?

Whooooooosh

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 01:22 PM

Yes and presented everyone with an amusing situation, your normally expressed view.

Isnt Irony wonderful?

Whooooooosh

so will you be going to church?

Shasown

30-03-2010, 01:31 PM

so will you be going to church?

Not sure, depends how I feel I suppose. its a bit of a trek from here.

Though I dont feel it is necessary to go to church, to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus, if you believe in it. But thats another debate pmsl.

Shaun

30-03-2010, 01:32 PM

Agnostic. Veering more to the atheist side.

MissKittyFantastico

30-03-2010, 01:48 PM

Agnostic I think, leaning more towards Theist though tbh as I get older. Not sure why that is.

GypsyGoth

30-03-2010, 01:53 PM

A god or gods seem pointless and unnecessary.

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 02:00 PM

A god or gods seem pointless and unnecessary.

what is the meaning of your life?

GypsyGoth

30-03-2010, 02:03 PM

what is the meaning of your life?

Well I'm here just for the experience. What about you LT, what is the meaning of your life?

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 02:26 PM

Well I'm here just for the experience. What about you LT, what is the meaning of your life?

To know God.

Shasown

30-03-2010, 03:03 PM

To know God.

Do you feel you are succeeding then? Are you getting to know him?

Jessica.

30-03-2010, 03:07 PM

I believe there is a God so i suppose I am theist.

Jords

30-03-2010, 03:13 PM

Agnostic, I like the idea of a God, though Im not sure if there is such thing.

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 03:23 PM

Agnostic, I like the idea of a God, though Im not sure if there is such thing.

have you ever tried to find out?

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 03:24 PM

Do you feel you are succeeding then? Are you getting to know him?

yes

Firewire

30-03-2010, 03:29 PM

Possibly Agnostic.

I don't believe in one, but how do I know there isn't?

So it's merely just beliefs.

Niamh.

30-03-2010, 03:33 PM

Agnostic because I can't prove or disprove either beyond reasonable doubt and I never will

Niamh.

30-03-2010, 03:34 PM

have you ever tried to find out?

But there is no way of finding out LT

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 03:35 PM

But there is no way of finding out LT

there is and millions of people the world over have done so. you have to seek and study. you will find that the answer you seek was in your heart all along.

Niamh.

30-03-2010, 03:37 PM

there is and millions of people the world over have done so. you have to seek and study. you will find that the answer you seek was in your heart all along.

Oh really? Who found out for sure then? The muslims? or The Christians? or was it the Hindus? or maybe The Scientoligists are the ones?

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 03:39 PM

Oh really? Who found out for sure then? The muslims? or The Christians? or was it the Hindus? or maybe The Scientoligists are the ones?

perhaps they all did, not the CS as that is a marketing organisation and not much else.

many rivers make it to the sea

Niamh.

30-03-2010, 03:41 PM

perhaps they all did, not the CS as that is a marketing organisation and not much else.

many rivers make it to the sea

So all the religions are right then? How can that be? and if this is true how come I'm not right? I'm a good person, I like to think that I am fair towards people, If there is a God I'd be happy about that, so why is that so wrong?

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 03:52 PM

So all the religions are right then? How can that be? and if this is true how come I'm not right? I'm a good person, I like to think that I am fair towards people, If there is a God I'd be happy about that, so why is that so wrong?

I dont think looking at who is right is helpful, its the wrong way to view them. The core aspect of all religions is love and respect for your fellow man and woman. that is good as man has evil in his core if the love is not nurtured.

Niamh.

30-03-2010, 03:57 PM

I dont think looking at who is right is helpful, its the wrong way to view them. The core aspect of all religions is love and respect for your fellow man and woman. that is good as man has evil in his core if the love is not nurtured.

Yes but I have these values without having to follow a religion.

Crimson Dynamo

30-03-2010, 04:02 PM

Yes but I have these values without having to follow a religion.

but that is what church is about. to share these in your community weekly, to practice, celebrate and shout about these so that they are built up and not sidelined by material good, money worries and so forth.

its like bodybuilding really

Niamh.

30-03-2010, 04:05 PM

but that is what church is about. to share these in your community weekly, to practice, celebrate and shout about these so that they are built up and not sidelined by material good, money worries and so forth.

its like bodybuilding really

But I am happy to do it in my own way, sometimes I find religions can confuse people into doing what they think they're supposed to (see B&B and Pharmacy stories for examples) so I think I'll just stick to what I already do.

Shasown

30-03-2010, 04:09 PM

but that is what church is about. to share these in your community weekly, to practice, celebrate and shout about these so that they are built up and not sidelined by material good, money worries and so forth.

its like bodybuilding really

Interesting concept. Does going to mass increase the likelihood of steroid abuse and subsequent winkie shrivel?

Sorry mate i couldnt resist.

I can see your point about sharing with the community, though some communities have their hierarchies and cliques etc, And again you are asked to follow specific peoples interpretations of what they consider to be God, his plans, etc.