Homophobic vs. Heterophobic

[Benjamin]

Considering some of the posts today, and general experiences from my life when i lived in London/Brighton/Exeter I want to put this discussion to the forum.



How come a gay club refuses entry to straight people and is allowed to do that, but if a straight club did it to a gay person it would be a form of homophobia?


Surely the gay clubs are a bit Heterophobic?

Some people have spoke to say it's because straights cause trouble, but most straight people I know have no issue, and Gay men are just as likely to cause a fight or bitch fest.


Gay pride is all about celebrating gay's being equals, yet I sometimes find the 'Gay world' a bit hypocritcal because sometimes we don't treat others as equals???


What's the forums opinions on this (please no spats or arguments, just people's opinions). :thumbs:

[Axiom]

I'd say the word you're looking for is "heterophobic" not "straightophobic"

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by Axiom
I'd say the word you're looking for is "heterophobic" not "straightophobic"


I prefer straightophobic. lol. :wink:

[NettoSuperstar!]

Simple- minority-majority...Do you see straights goin about asking for Straight rights? No that would be silly, they have it anyway and straight people have never had to fight prejudice against straights lol

[arista]

Clubs do what they want
but it is in order to not get fights
so it is Common Sense.


Unless you want punch Ups.


What a silly thread.
You can not change peoples views.

[MrGaryy]

I think gay clubs are necessary as it's hard for gay people to find others in a normal club situations. It;s hard in general for gays to find a partner.

[Fom]

Originally posted by ukturtle
Considering some of the posts today, and general experiences from my life when i lived in London/Brighton/Exeter I want to put this discussion to the forum.



How come a gay club refuses entry to straight people and is allowed to do that, but if a straight club did it to a gay person it would be a form of homophobia?


Surely the gay clubs are a bit Heterophobic?

Some people have spoke to say it's because straights cause trouble, but most straight people I know have no issue, and Gay men are just as likely to cause a fight or bitch fest.


Gay pride is all about celebrating gay's being equals, yet I sometimes find the 'Gay world' a bit hypocritcal because sometimes we don't treat others as equals???


What's the forums opinions on this (please no spats or arguments, just people's opinions). :thumbs:

I don't know about you but I have never seen a club that turns away straight people... these clubs and events are where gay people can go and celebrate themselves and feel safe... being able to kiss in a club and not get beat up.
If straight people want to go nothing is stopping them, seriously, have you seen straight people being turned away?

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by arista
Clubs do what they want
but it is in order to not get fights
so it is Common Sense.


Unless you want punch Ups.


What a silly thread.
You can not change peoples views.


Erm it's not silly.

and I'm not trying to change people's minds.

I'm asking questions on people's thoughts. I've been to many Gay clubs and most of the trouble caused is by gay men/lesbians, not straight people.

[Noel]

Any gay club I know allows straight people to enter? How can they refuse entry to a straight person and how can they even determine everyone's sexuality?
I get what you mean though. The whole point of Gay Pride is for equality, so in theory, that means there should be no difference.
But I know if a flamboyantly gay guy went into some thuggish football supporting pub, they would be bound to get some abuse.

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by ukturtle
Considering some of the posts today, and general experiences from my life when i lived in London/Brighton/Exeter I want to put this discussion to the forum.



How come a gay club refuses entry to straight people and is allowed to do that, but if a straight club did it to a gay person it would be a form of homophobia?


Surely the gay clubs are a bit Heterophobic?

Some people have spoke to say it's because straights cause trouble, but most straight people I know have no issue, and Gay men are just as likely to cause a fight or bitch fest.


Gay pride is all about celebrating gay's being equals, yet I sometimes find the 'Gay world' a bit hypocritcal because sometimes we don't treat others as equals???


What's the forums opinions on this (please no spats or arguments, just people's opinions). :thumbs:

I don't know about you but I have never seen a club that turns away straight people... these clubs and events are where gay people can go and celebrate themselves and feel safe... being able to kiss in a club and not get beat up.
If straight people want to go nothing is stopping them, seriously, have you seen straight people being turned away?


Yep, my mate once got turned away for 'looking too straight'. He got well pissy, because he was gay, but the bouncers wouldn't believe him.

[Lauren]

I've never seen a gay club turn away a straight person? How can they tell anyway?

[arista]

Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by arista
Clubs do what they want
but it is in order to not get fights
so it is Common Sense.


Unless you want punch Ups.


What a silly thread.
You can not change peoples views.


Erm it's not silly.

and I'm not trying to change people's minds.

I'm asking questions on people's thoughts. I've been to many Gay clubs and most of the trouble caused is by gay men/lesbians, not straight people.



Yes it is Silly
you are asking why they refuse straight folks?


Its because they do not want Fights.



Silly Thread
you have made.

[Fom]

Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by ukturtle
Considering some of the posts today, and general experiences from my life when i lived in London/Brighton/Exeter I want to put this discussion to the forum.



How come a gay club refuses entry to straight people and is allowed to do that, but if a straight club did it to a gay person it would be a form of homophobia?


Surely the gay clubs are a bit Heterophobic?

Some people have spoke to say it's because straights cause trouble, but most straight people I know have no issue, and Gay men are just as likely to cause a fight or bitch fest.


Gay pride is all about celebrating gay's being equals, yet I sometimes find the 'Gay world' a bit hypocritcal because sometimes we don't treat others as equals???


What's the forums opinions on this (please no spats or arguments, just people's opinions). :thumbs:

I don't know about you but I have never seen a club that turns away straight people... these clubs and events are where gay people can go and celebrate themselves and feel safe... being able to kiss in a club and not get beat up.
If straight people want to go nothing is stopping them, seriously, have you seen straight people being turned away?


Yep, my mate once got turned away for 'looking too straight'. He got well pissy, because he was gay, but the bouncers wouldn't believe him.

Well that is that one club, you get arsey bouncers like that. I went to a normal club and a friend got turned away because he had no girls with him. Stuff like this happens but don't judge all gay clubs turning away straight people, that was probably one time... and a stupid thing for the bouncer to do.

I don't get the argument, straight people complain about gay clubs when there are about 20 times more straight clubs. Because essentially straight clubs do the same, they could not let someone in for looking too gay, they are mainly full of straight people and if a gay person walks in they get treated differently. If you dont like gay clubs dont go, but straight people are welcome, I work in a gay bar and if im honest it is mostly straight people in there but it is a place where the straight people accept guys kiss guys and they can freely stand at the bar kissing!

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by arista
Clubs do what they want
but it is in order to not get fights
so it is Common Sense.


Unless you want punch Ups.


What a silly thread.
You can not change peoples views.


Erm it's not silly.

and I'm not trying to change people's minds.

I'm asking questions on people's thoughts. I've been to many Gay clubs and most of the trouble caused is by gay men/lesbians, not straight people.



Yes it is Silly
you are asking why they refuse straight folks?


Its because they do not want Fights.



Silly Thread
you have made.

then no offence don't bother posting it. Find somewhere else mate.


I can assure you most fights in gay clubs are caused by gay men themselves fighting with each other, not straight men.

[Locke.]

Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by ukturtle
Considering some of the posts today, and general experiences from my life when i lived in London/Brighton/Exeter I want to put this discussion to the forum.



How come a gay club refuses entry to straight people and is allowed to do that, but if a straight club did it to a gay person it would be a form of homophobia?


Surely the gay clubs are a bit Heterophobic?

Some people have spoke to say it's because straights cause trouble, but most straight people I know have no issue, and Gay men are just as likely to cause a fight or bitch fest.


Gay pride is all about celebrating gay's being equals, yet I sometimes find the 'Gay world' a bit hypocritcal because sometimes we don't treat others as equals???


What's the forums opinions on this (please no spats or arguments, just people's opinions). :thumbs:

I don't know about you but I have never seen a club that turns away straight people... these clubs and events are where gay people can go and celebrate themselves and feel safe... being able to kiss in a club and not get beat up.
If straight people want to go nothing is stopping them, seriously, have you seen straight people being turned away?

Pink in Liverpool City Centre.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by David
Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by ukturtle
Considering some of the posts today, and general experiences from my life when i lived in London/Brighton/Exeter I want to put this discussion to the forum.



How come a gay club refuses entry to straight people and is allowed to do that, but if a straight club did it to a gay person it would be a form of homophobia?


Surely the gay clubs are a bit Heterophobic?

Some people have spoke to say it's because straights cause trouble, but most straight people I know have no issue, and Gay men are just as likely to cause a fight or bitch fest.


Gay pride is all about celebrating gay's being equals, yet I sometimes find the 'Gay world' a bit hypocritcal because sometimes we don't treat others as equals???


What's the forums opinions on this (please no spats or arguments, just people's opinions). :thumbs:

I don't know about you but I have never seen a club that turns away straight people... these clubs and events are where gay people can go and celebrate themselves and feel safe... being able to kiss in a club and not get beat up.
If straight people want to go nothing is stopping them, seriously, have you seen straight people being turned away?

Pink in Liverpool City Centre.

Probably chavs

[arista]

Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by arista
Clubs do what they want
but it is in order to not get fights
so it is Common Sense.


Unless you want punch Ups.


What a silly thread.
You can not change peoples views.


Erm it's not silly.

and I'm not trying to change people's minds.

I'm asking questions on people's thoughts. I've been to many Gay clubs and most of the trouble caused is by gay men/lesbians, not straight people.



Yes it is Silly
you are asking why they refuse straight folks?


Its because they do not want Fights.



Silly Thread
you have made.

then no offence don't bother posting it. Find somewhere else mate.


I can assure you most fights in gay clubs are caused by gay men themselves fighting with each other, not straight men.



As a member
I can Post and Prove a Silly Thread.

I do not need to find some place else.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by David
Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by ukturtle
Considering some of the posts today, and general experiences from my life when i lived in London/Brighton/Exeter I want to put this discussion to the forum.



How come a gay club refuses entry to straight people and is allowed to do that, but if a straight club did it to a gay person it would be a form of homophobia?


Surely the gay clubs are a bit Heterophobic?

Some people have spoke to say it's because straights cause trouble, but most straight people I know have no issue, and Gay men are just as likely to cause a fight or bitch fest.


Gay pride is all about celebrating gay's being equals, yet I sometimes find the 'Gay world' a bit hypocritcal because sometimes we don't treat others as equals???


What's the forums opinions on this (please no spats or arguments, just people's opinions). :thumbs:

I don't know about you but I have never seen a club that turns away straight people... these clubs and events are where gay people can go and celebrate themselves and feel safe... being able to kiss in a club and not get beat up.
If straight people want to go nothing is stopping them, seriously, have you seen straight people being turned away?

Pink in Liverpool City Centre.

Probably chavs

trufax.

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by ukturtle
Considering some of the posts today, and general experiences from my life when i lived in London/Brighton/Exeter I want to put this discussion to the forum.



How come a gay club refuses entry to straight people and is allowed to do that, but if a straight club did it to a gay person it would be a form of homophobia?


Surely the gay clubs are a bit Heterophobic?

Some people have spoke to say it's because straights cause trouble, but most straight people I know have no issue, and Gay men are just as likely to cause a fight or bitch fest.


Gay pride is all about celebrating gay's being equals, yet I sometimes find the 'Gay world' a bit hypocritcal because sometimes we don't treat others as equals???


What's the forums opinions on this (please no spats or arguments, just people's opinions). :thumbs:

I don't know about you but I have never seen a club that turns away straight people... these clubs and events are where gay people can go and celebrate themselves and feel safe... being able to kiss in a club and not get beat up.
If straight people want to go nothing is stopping them, seriously, have you seen straight people being turned away?


Yep, my mate once got turned away for 'looking too straight'. He got well pissy, because he was gay, but the bouncers wouldn't believe him.

Well that is that one club, you get arsey bouncers like that. I went to a normal club and a friend got turned away because he had no girls with him. Stuff like this happens but don't judge all gay clubs turning away straight people, that was probably one time... and a stupid thing for the bouncer to do.

I don't get the argument, straight people complain about gay clubs when there are about 20 times more straight clubs. Because essentially straight clubs do the same, they could not let someone in for looking too gay, they are mainly full of straight people and if a gay person walks in they get treated differently. If you dont like gay clubs dont go, but straight people are welcome, I work in a gay bar and if im honest it is mostly straight people in there but it is a place where the straight people accept guys kiss guys and they can freely stand at the bar kissing!


I'm not judging all. Most are ok, but there are quite a few that turn straight people or people who are straight acting/looking away.


Yet if a 'straight club' did this for being too Gay, it would be a form of homophobia? How come it's never seen as heterophobia when the other way around? That's what I want to know.

[Locke.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by David
Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by ukturtle
Considering some of the posts today, and general experiences from my life when i lived in London/Brighton/Exeter I want to put this discussion to the forum.



How come a gay club refuses entry to straight people and is allowed to do that, but if a straight club did it to a gay person it would be a form of homophobia?


Surely the gay clubs are a bit Heterophobic?

Some people have spoke to say it's because straights cause trouble, but most straight people I know have no issue, and Gay men are just as likely to cause a fight or bitch fest.


Gay pride is all about celebrating gay's being equals, yet I sometimes find the 'Gay world' a bit hypocritcal because sometimes we don't treat others as equals???


What's the forums opinions on this (please no spats or arguments, just people's opinions). :thumbs:

I don't know about you but I have never seen a club that turns away straight people... these clubs and events are where gay people can go and celebrate themselves and feel safe... being able to kiss in a club and not get beat up.
If straight people want to go nothing is stopping them, seriously, have you seen straight people being turned away?

Pink in Liverpool City Centre.

Probably chavs

Who? The people trying to get in? Well no :joker: We tried to get in and they told us "you can't come in because you aren't gay". Didn't particularly want to go in there anyway, was just following the crowd.

[Fom]

Originally posted by David
Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by ukturtle
Considering some of the posts today, and general experiences from my life when i lived in London/Brighton/Exeter I want to put this discussion to the forum.



How come a gay club refuses entry to straight people and is allowed to do that, but if a straight club did it to a gay person it would be a form of homophobia?


Surely the gay clubs are a bit Heterophobic?

Some people have spoke to say it's because straights cause trouble, but most straight people I know have no issue, and Gay men are just as likely to cause a fight or bitch fest.


Gay pride is all about celebrating gay's being equals, yet I sometimes find the 'Gay world' a bit hypocritcal because sometimes we don't treat others as equals???


What's the forums opinions on this (please no spats or arguments, just people's opinions). :thumbs:

I don't know about you but I have never seen a club that turns away straight people... these clubs and events are where gay people can go and celebrate themselves and feel safe... being able to kiss in a club and not get beat up.
If straight people want to go nothing is stopping them, seriously, have you seen straight people being turned away?

Pink in Liverpool City Centre.

Were they dressed accordingly and acting sober? You dont get turned away just because of your sexuality no one cares, but if your dressed in trackies it is understandable why they get turned away. Even if they were wearing trainers they can get turned away.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by David
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by David
Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by ukturtle
Considering some of the posts today, and general experiences from my life when i lived in London/Brighton/Exeter I want to put this discussion to the forum.



How come a gay club refuses entry to straight people and is allowed to do that, but if a straight club did it to a gay person it would be a form of homophobia?


Surely the gay clubs are a bit Heterophobic?

Some people have spoke to say it's because straights cause trouble, but most straight people I know have no issue, and Gay men are just as likely to cause a fight or bitch fest.


Gay pride is all about celebrating gay's being equals, yet I sometimes find the 'Gay world' a bit hypocritcal because sometimes we don't treat others as equals???


What's the forums opinions on this (please no spats or arguments, just people's opinions). :thumbs:

I don't know about you but I have never seen a club that turns away straight people... these clubs and events are where gay people can go and celebrate themselves and feel safe... being able to kiss in a club and not get beat up.
If straight people want to go nothing is stopping them, seriously, have you seen straight people being turned away?

Pink in Liverpool City Centre.

Probably chavs

Who? The people trying to get in? Well no :joker: We tried to get in and they told us "you can't come in because you aren't gay". Didn't particularly want to go in there anyway, was just following the crowd.

Whatever you say David:wink: jus kiddin...well I bet you looked like a mob who wanted to take the piss or summat (not that you were)

[Locke.]

Nope, dressed properly. Jeans, shoes, shirt. No other club had a problem letting us in.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I've been to many gay clubs and never been asked what my sexuality is...mind you that might be on account of my penchant for dungarees LoL (I joke)

[Fom]

Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by ukturtle
Considering some of the posts today, and general experiences from my life when i lived in London/Brighton/Exeter I want to put this discussion to the forum.



How come a gay club refuses entry to straight people and is allowed to do that, but if a straight club did it to a gay person it would be a form of homophobia?


Surely the gay clubs are a bit Heterophobic?

Some people have spoke to say it's because straights cause trouble, but most straight people I know have no issue, and Gay men are just as likely to cause a fight or bitch fest.


Gay pride is all about celebrating gay's being equals, yet I sometimes find the 'Gay world' a bit hypocritcal because sometimes we don't treat others as equals???


What's the forums opinions on this (please no spats or arguments, just people's opinions). :thumbs:

I don't know about you but I have never seen a club that turns away straight people... these clubs and events are where gay people can go and celebrate themselves and feel safe... being able to kiss in a club and not get beat up.
If straight people want to go nothing is stopping them, seriously, have you seen straight people being turned away?


Yep, my mate once got turned away for 'looking too straight'. He got well pissy, because he was gay, but the bouncers wouldn't believe him.

Well that is that one club, you get arsey bouncers like that. I went to a normal club and a friend got turned away because he had no girls with him. Stuff like this happens but don't judge all gay clubs turning away straight people, that was probably one time... and a stupid thing for the bouncer to do.

I don't get the argument, straight people complain about gay clubs when there are about 20 times more straight clubs. Because essentially straight clubs do the same, they could not let someone in for looking too gay, they are mainly full of straight people and if a gay person walks in they get treated differently. If you dont like gay clubs dont go, but straight people are welcome, I work in a gay bar and if im honest it is mostly straight people in there but it is a place where the straight people accept guys kiss guys and they can freely stand at the bar kissing!


I'm not judging all. Most are ok, but there are quite a few that turn straight people or people who are straight acting/looking away.


Yet if a 'straight club' did this for being too Gay, it would be a form of homophobia? How come it's never seen as heterophobia when the other way around? That's what I want to know.

Probably because being straight is accepted in the country, it is normal so people tend not to get offended by it. Do you get offended if someone insults you for being white? I don't, I aint arsed what people think of my colour... these places turning you away for being straight are places not worth going. Don't judge all gay bars/clubs because there are a few bad ones, it happens in loads of clubs, getting turned away for ages.

Chances are if you are straight and look like you have never seen a gay person before you will get turned away for safety, they don't need a group of young men pointing and laughing at the one place they feel accepted.

[arista]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I've been to many gay clubs and never been asked what my sexuality is


Thats due to you being Female.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I've been to many gay clubs and never been asked what my sexuality is


Thats due to you being Female.

Females can be homophobic too though. So it's sexist if they let straight females in, but not straight males?

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by arista
Clubs do what they want
but it is in order to not get fights
so it is Common Sense.


Unless you want punch Ups.


What a silly thread.
You can not change peoples views.


Erm it's not silly.

and I'm not trying to change people's minds.

I'm asking questions on people's thoughts. I've been to many Gay clubs and most of the trouble caused is by gay men/lesbians, not straight people.



Yes it is Silly
you are asking why they refuse straight folks?


Its because they do not want Fights.



Silly Thread
you have made.

then no offence don't bother posting it. Find somewhere else mate.


I can assure you most fights in gay clubs are caused by gay men themselves fighting with each other, not straight men.



As a member
I can Post and Prove a Silly Thread.

I do not need to find some place else.

well arista i can't stop you posting, that your choice.

But I personally don't think this thread is silly.

One, it's generating a discussion (on something other than Freddie/Sree etc)

and two

it's interesting to see people's opinions on subject matters like this.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I've been to many gay clubs and never been asked what my sexuality is


Thats due to you being Female.

ahhh right lol

[Fom]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I've been to many gay clubs and never been asked what my sexuality is


Thats due to you being Female.

Females can be homophobic too though. So it's sexist if they let straight females in, but not straight males?

Exactly, thats just clubs in general, they have a right to turn you way for any reason they want too, it is their club. If they think someone is going to cause trouble they can turn you away.

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I've been to many gay clubs and never been asked what my sexuality is


Thats due to you being Female.

Females can be homophobic too though. So it's sexist if they let straight females in, but not straight males?

Exactly, thats just clubs in general, they have a right to turn you way for any reason they want too, it is their club. If they think someone is going to cause trouble they can turn you away.


But coming from personal experience it's gay guys who actually cause the most trouble in gay clubs.

When you get the camp ones bitching and having a fight, an ex seeing his ex with another guy and starting etc.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I've been to many gay clubs and never been asked what my sexuality is


Thats due to you being Female.

Females can be homophobic too though. So it's sexist if they let straight females in, but not straight males?

Exactly, thats just clubs in general, they have a right to turn you way for any reason they want too, it is their club. If they think someone is going to cause trouble they can turn you away.


But coming from personal experience it's gay guys who actually cause the most trouble in gay clubs.

When you get the camp ones bitching and having a fight, an ex seeing his ex with another guy and starting etc.

Well do the math

[arista]

Originally posted by ukturtle


well arista i can't stop you posting, that your choice.

But I personally don't think this thread is silly.

One, it's generating a discussion (on something other than Freddie/Sree etc)

and two

it's interesting to see people's opinions on subject matters like this.


Wrong nothing like a Sree post
How Very Dare You.


And Of course you will not see your 'own thread' as Silly.


Every poster is at a Level
yours is a Good Level, however.

[arista]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I've been to many gay clubs and never been asked what my sexuality is


Thats due to you being Female.

Females can be homophobic too though. So it's sexist if they let straight females in, but not straight males?


Yes It is Sexist out there
It is a Jungle.


Next!

[Stu]

We were all born from a man and woman doing the dog. Dont that kind of make heterophobia impossible? Overused term IMO.

[NettoSuperstar!]

LoL Arista...on fire 2nite

[Jayson]

I wouldn't go into a gay bar anyway, it's not my place IMO.
Also, I dont enjoy face to face talks with overly camp gay guys.
I have a cousin who is gay and he is one of those guys who when he says he's gay to people they are shocked because he always looks very straight. He has never been turned away for looking too straght.

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by ukturtle


well arista i can't stop you posting, that your choice.

But I personally don't think this thread is silly.

One, it's generating a discussion (on something other than Freddie/Sree etc)

and two

it's interesting to see people's opinions on subject matters like this.


Wrong nothing like a Sree post
How Very Dare You.


And Of course you will not see your 'own thread' as Silly.


Every poster is at a Level
yours is a Good Level, however.



Is it not generating a discussion? Is not showing people's opinions? Is it not a topic that hasn't been discussed many times on here?

I admit some of my posts are silly, like the one about Kris vs a can of baked beans with the tiny sausages in, but to me this one isn't.

I'm getting to see people's opinions on things and I'm finding it interesting, even if nobody else does. :tongue::love:

[arista]

Originally posted by Stu
We were all born from a man and woman doing the dog. Dont that kind of make heterophobia impossible? Overused term IMO.



http://anotherkcblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/greyhounds-italian-mating.jpg

[arista]

Originally posted by ukturtle


I'm getting to see people's opinions on things and I'm finding it interesting, even if nobody else does. :tongue::love:


Nothing Wrong with that.

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by Stu
We were all born from a man and woman doing the dog. Dont that kind of make heterophobia impossible? Overused term IMO.



http://anotherkcblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/greyhounds-italian-mating.jpg



ha ha ha, I did not need to be seeing that.

:laugh2:

[arista]

Originally posted by ukturtle




ha ha ha, I did not need to be seeing that.

:laugh2:



It will do no harm
and helps Young Stu's Post.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by ukturtle
[
ha ha ha, I did not need to be seeing that.

:laugh2:

lol same, I refreshed the page and was like "ugh!"

[Stu]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by ukturtle




ha ha ha, I did not need to be seeing that.

:laugh2:



It will do no harm
and helps Young Stu's Post.
A picture of a dog boning another dog helps my posts? What did I tell you about wishful thinking and keeping your fantasies away from here?

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by Lauren
I've never seen a gay club turn away a straight person? How can they tell anyway?

Same, although I've only ever been to one gay club and it was with my Religion class (loong story). But I've never heard of it happening.

[x_eztiger_x]

you not think it will have something to do wih fighting, letting straight homophobic people in a gay club will lead to many fights where as letting gay people in a straight club isnt like that. well thats what i think anyway.

[arista]

Originally posted by x_eztiger_x
you not think it will have something to do wih fighting, letting straight homophobic people in a gay club will lead to many fights where as letting gay people in a straight club isnt like that. well thats what i think anyway.


Yes True
you are most wise.

[Fangz]

Gay clubs and so on are meant to be safe spaces for gay/lesbian couples who even today would get **** in a lot of hetero-orientated places, and the best way to do that is to try to ensure that it's gay/lesbians only.

(And by hetero-orientated places, I mean everywhere that isn't specifically gay-orientated).

[IsleOfWeather]

How would you classify the fairly uniform feeling of disgust that blokes feel for the sexual practices of gay men?

is that homophobic or just a natural reaction to what seems a very unnatural act?

[sol]

What I want to know is how do clubs distinguish between gay people and straight people? I know you could decide by camp/straight acting but not all gays are camp...
Do they ask you or something?

[Marc]

I reckon straight men are the ones who have the most problem with gay men.
Though I don't have a problem with them what so ever.

Though its weird that gay clubs ban straight men.. ******ing homo's LOL I joke!

[Rodrigo2Win]

**** thread.

[a_2009]

It is a bit frustrating if your out for a bit of banter and the place is full of fag hags :wink:

I guess the whole point of a gay bar, is its a social place where people who are in a minority are able to go and not get hassled. Should straight people be turned away, if they're with their mates and just out for a drink and a dance....then the more the merrier.

On the other hand i've had experiences in 'straight' bars just taking it easy with the other half and had so much hassle, fella's coming up taking pictures....it feels like your part of some freak show....

[30stone]

My brother and his mate went to a gay club, just to cause trouble..

Went in, my brother acting as his mates bodyguard not letting people touch him.

Then after pushing people around the bouncers told em to leave, so they did and pushed a grundon infront of the doors.

So i can understand it.

But yeh i suppose for the majority of people who are straight and just going in for a drink im sure they would be pissed off..

[keithafc]

What do they do?

'Ok form two lines, the pussy line and the cock line'.

Just get on with it. I don't believe in straight or gay club's or anything like that. It's a club which serves food and drink, go in and enjoy yourself. Enough of this nonsense.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Marcjswp
I reckon straight men are the ones who have the most problem with gay men.
Though I don't have a problem with them what so ever.

Though its weird that gay clubs ban straight men.. ******ing homo's LOL I joke!

A lot of gay clubs in Manchester let straight people in

[Hedgie]

Refusing entrance to straight people is downright offensive in my eyes. If a club has made it abundantly clear that it is gay friendly, then anyone who goes in there should expect a come on by someone of the same sex.
Refusing admission to straight people seeks only to widen the gap between the gay/straight culture. It alienates and causes exclusivity. This is making a problem, not helping to solve one.

by the way...is there a gay test? how on earth would they monitor it :shrug: :conf:

[letmein]

Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by ukturtle
Considering some of the posts today, and general experiences from my life when i lived in London/Brighton/Exeter I want to put this discussion to the forum.



How come a gay club refuses entry to straight people and is allowed to do that, but if a straight club did it to a gay person it would be a form of homophobia?


Surely the gay clubs are a bit Heterophobic?

Some people have spoke to say it's because straights cause trouble, but most straight people I know have no issue, and Gay men are just as likely to cause a fight or bitch fest.


Gay pride is all about celebrating gay's being equals, yet I sometimes find the 'Gay world' a bit hypocritcal because sometimes we don't treat others as equals???


What's the forums opinions on this (please no spats or arguments, just people's opinions). :thumbs:

I don't know about you but I have never seen a club that turns away straight people... these clubs and events are where gay people can go and celebrate themselves and feel safe... being able to kiss in a club and not get beat up.
If straight people want to go nothing is stopping them, seriously, have you seen straight people being turned away?


Yep, my mate once got turned away for 'looking too straight'. He got well pissy, because he was gay, but the bouncers wouldn't believe him.

That's a weird ass club. Every gay club I know let's anyone who wants to go in, in.:conf:

[Marc]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Marcjswp
I reckon straight men are the ones who have the most problem with gay men.
Though I don't have a problem with them what so ever.

Though its weird that gay clubs ban straight men.. ******ing homo's LOL I joke!

A lot of gay clubs in Manchester let straight people in

Nah I meant the ones who do.. tis weird.

[Captain.Remy]

It's basically the same thing that happens between white and black people: If a white man makes a comment about a black guy, it's racism. However, if a black guy makes a comment on a white guy or start an argument only because he's white (I've seen that) then it's fine.

Same thing between heteros and gays.

As for gay clubs, I've been in one once, just for fun and everyone was looking at us like we were intruders or bad people. I don't even understand the whole point of having a club only for gays. I'm sure a club restricted to straight people would be see as shocking and homophobic.

[letmein]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
It's basically the same thing that happens between white and black people: If a white man makes a comment about a black guy, it's racism. However, if a black guy makes a comment on a black guy or start an argument only because he's white (I've seen that) then it's fine.

Same thing between heteros and gays.

As for gay clubs, I've been in one once, just for fun and everyone was looking at us like we were intruders or bad people. I don't even understand the whole point of having a club only for gays. I'm sure a club restricted to straight people would be see as shocking and homophobic.

Oh brother. :rolleyes:

[Twilight]

Omg i have to agree with Remy

[Twilight]

Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
It's basically the same thing that happens between white and black people: If a white man makes a comment about a black guy, it's racism. However, if a black guy makes a comment on a black guy or start an argument only because he's white (I've seen that) then it's fine.

Same thing between heteros and gays.

As for gay clubs, I've been in one once, just for fun and everyone was looking at us like we were intruders or bad people. I don't even understand the whole point of having a club only for gays. I'm sure a club restricted to straight people would be see as shocking and homophobic.

Oh brother. :rolleyes: What??

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : letmein

Oh brother. :rolleyes:

Do you mind elaborating instead of making shitty comments with no substance whatsoever ?

Message original : Twilight
Omg i have to agree with Remy

:shocked::shocked: :hugesmile:

[Twilight]

Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
It's basically the same thing that happens between white and black people: If a white man makes a comment about a black guy, it's racism. However, if a black guy makes a comment on a black guy or start an argument only because he's white (I've seen that) then it's fine.

Same thing between heteros and gays.

As for gay clubs, I've been in one once, just for fun and everyone was looking at us like we were intruders or bad people. I don't even understand the whole point of having a club only for gays. I'm sure a club restricted to straight people would be see as shocking and homophobic.

Oh brother. :rolleyes: What??

[Tom]

Originally posted by Marcjswp
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Marcjswp
I reckon straight men are the ones who have the most problem with gay men.
Though I don't have a problem with them what so ever.

Though its weird that gay clubs ban straight men.. ******ing homo's LOL I joke!

A lot of gay clubs in Manchester let straight people in

Nah I meant the ones who do.. tis weird.

Hmm not really. Gay people are never really welcome in a lot of straight clubs and I expect gay people can have more peace of mind in a gay club, rather than watching over their shoulder for homophobes in a straight club. Some straight people might wanna go into a gay club to cause trouble

[Hedgie]

All bars and clubs are within their legal rights to refuse entrance to anyone, without having to give a reason. Why would any club advertise that it refuses admittance to straight people, risking getting itself into deep water legally, when they have a perfectly good law abiding way of refusing entrance. Discriminate if you can see someone is being a tit, not on sexual orientation. That's as bad as homophobia.

[xDramatick]

Gay people need gay clubs. A straight person could go to any non-specific club with their partner and not get hassled. A homosexual couple on the other hand would more likely than not, receive stares or comments. Obviously this isn't true for everyone, but as a generalization. That's why gay clubs exist. So homosexual people may be themselves, along with any straight, open-minded people who just want a good time.
I may not be legal to go clubbing yet and therefore can't speak much, however my boyfriend is 25, and has had lots of experience with clubs, pubs and bars, and he's told me about his nights out in the past. He's rarely seen trouble in gay clubs, whereas he's received abuse in non-specific clubs. His brother's straight, the majority of his mates are straight, they all go to gay clubs with him, no problem. They've never had any issues with homosexuals, apart from the odd drunk gay hitting on them, but all they do is reassure them they're straight, or snog a female friend. hahaha.

idk, i just REALLY hate when people say there's no need for gay clubs, bars, pubs, or even gay prides.
imagine if it was the other way around, and heterosexuality was the minority. you had to be careful where you kiss anyone of the opposite sex in fear you'd get abuse.
okay, so i totally stole that last bit from a youtube video about homophobia but it's nonetheless true.

[Fom]

Originally posted by 30stone
My brother and his mate went to a gay club, just to cause trouble..

Went in, my brother acting as his mates bodyguard not letting people touch him.

Then after pushing people around the bouncers told em to leave, so they did and pushed a grundon infront of the doors.

So i can understand it.

But yeh i suppose for the majority of people who are straight and just going in for a drink im sure they would be p****d off..

Yeh this explains bouncers actions a lot, bouncers are given specific things to follow, no trackies, no hats, no big crowds, no young, no old, no ugly. It is a club and it is where people go for a certain thing, wether that be Drum and Bass or to celebrate and be proud of their sexuality which is often looked down on.

It is so easy for a gay person to feel intimidated by a straight person, they go there to have a good time not to be stared at as if its abnormal, therefore anyone who is causing trouble or looks like they could after a few drinks are turned away. Its what clubs do, you get turned away if they dont want you in. If you are walking to the bar/club sniggering at the guys clothes, or gauping at stupid things then you will be turned away. Clubs are for a good time... gay people go to gay clubs to have a good time without feeling like what they are doing is abnormal which is how they feel everywhere else in the world.

I never quite understood why straight people get so frustrated about it, just let gay people have their fun... are you so desperate to go into a gay club? And as Tom says, most gay clubs in Manchester let any sexuality in.