Halfwit in The Diary Room - Quite Arrogant

[AhmedFan2004]

I watched the HL episode tonight.

I thought his answers to BB regarding how long he thought he'd survive were quite arrogant.

Saying he expected to last at least 6 weeks and probably more.

Pretty arrogant considering he's been up every week.

So he was thinking through all those weeks that he'd survive all the evictions and make it to week 6 minimum?

Sounds like he made a pact with all you 'fans' prior to the show starting. :thumbs:

He seems to be getting more and more boring, why is this? He was hardly a massive character to begin with, but was better than now. :bored:

[BB_Eye]

I agree. It is actually getting a little bit tedious.

[bettiepage]

Shut up, he's allowed to be arrogant. He has surived five evictions.

[HalfwitFTW]

And how about Sree saying he's 200% sure he'll stay :joker:

[xmynxiex]

Hes far from boring, hes a laugh and laughs with people that laugh at him. Why shouldnt he think he could survive? If any one had survived all those evictions, they would say the same. Hes not arrogant, hes just confident. :lovedup:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
And how about Sree saying he's 200% sure he'll stay :joker:
Yes, for 1 eviction though.

But Halfwit thought he'd get to week 6 min, despite being up for eviction every week, and knowing he'd be up every week after.

And when asked about it in hindsight by BB, he still expected to make it to week 6.

And 'probably much more', as he said.

Quite arrogant. He needs to be more exciting, that's for sure. :bored:

[LaLaLand]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
And how about Sree saying he's 200% sure he'll stay :joker:

Yes, and Sree got evicted...

See the point? :thumbs:

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
I watched the HL episode tonight.

I thought his answers to BB regarding how long he thought he'd survive were quite arrogant.

Saying he expected to last at least 6 weeks and probably more.

Pretty arrogant considering he's been up every week.

So he was thinking through all those weeks that he'd survive all the evictions and make it to week 6 minimum?

Sounds like he made a pact with all you 'fans' prior to the show starting. :thumbs:

He seems to be getting more and more boring, why is this? He was hardly a massive character to begin with, but was better than now. :bored:

ah, so you are sree fan. hes out already :dance2:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by xmynxiex
Hes far from boring, hes a laugh and laughs with people that laugh at him. Why shouldnt he think he could survive? If any one had survived all those evictions, they would say the same. Hes not arrogant, hes just confident. :lovedup:
He thought he'd survive them anyway, that's the point.

He thought he'd reach week 6 min, prior to it all.
When asked by BB, in hindsight he still expected to reach week 6.

Having to survive 5 evictions didn't deflect this expectation. Even week to week, he was still thinking he had lots of mileage left.

And as he said, 'probably a lot more'.

You're being SO biased now, if Sree said this you'd be all over it. :nono:

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by Jonnii
Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
And how about Sree saying he's 200% sure he'll stay :joker:

Yes, and Sree got evicted...

See the point? :thumbs:


The point I was making is Ahmedfan who is a Sree fan has a problem with Freddie saying this when Sree said exactly the same thing. Hypocritical? I think so.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
ah, so you are sree fan. hes out already :dance2:
Has nothing to do with anything. This is a seperate thread.

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by charliegimbert
ah, so you are sree fan. hes out already :dance2:
Has nothing to do with anything. This is a seperate thread.

nope, you are bitter sree fan

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
The point I was making is Ahmedfan who is a Sree fan has a problem with Freddie saying this when Sree said exactly the same thing. Hypocritical? I think so.
Sree thought it for 1 eviction, Halfwit thought it for 5 + potentially more.

And even if Sree thought it, it doesn't change anything on Halfwit's side.

This isn't a Sree vs Halfwit arrogance competition.

Everyone knows Sree was delusional and arrogant.

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
And how about Sree saying he's 200% sure he'll stay :joker:
Yes, for 1 eviction though.

But Halfwit thought he'd get to week 6 min, despite being up for eviction every week, and knowing he'd be up every week after.

And when asked about it in hindsight by BB, he still expected to make it to week 6.

And 'probably much more', as he said.

Quite arrogant. He needs to be more exciting, that's for sure. :bored:


Ok I agree he is a bit TOO confident sometimes, but meh.... I can think of worse characteristics for a person to have.

[officialleafan]

Awww no, he was really happy to have stayed. He's just so happy and i am for him too :thumbs:

I think if i survived 5 evictions i'd be in Diary room going "Gimme the money! I've won" lol

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by charliegimbert
ah, so you are sree fan. hes out already :dance2:
Has nothing to do with anything. This is a seperate thread.

nope, you are bitter sree fan


He's still bitter Sree got evicted.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
nope, you are bitter sree fan
So what, it's still a seperate thread, it has nothing to do with comparing the two.

Only a typical idiot BB fan with an IQ of 50 would think that.

It's about Halfwit in the diary room. Counter it with something concrete.

'Bitter Sree fan' does not change what he said in the diary room. :joker:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
Ok I agree he is a bit TOO confident sometimes, but meh.... I can think of worse characteristics for a person to have.
This isn't a Halfwit hate thread. I honestly don't care if he's arrogant or not. I'm just pointing it out, because I thought it was interesting.

[jtalh2003]

the guy cant win lol hes playing the victim or he is arrogant for gods sake make up your mind he cant be both

[alan1965]

too cocky in my eyes.but he will be there till the end. ask big bro.lines fixed again voting for marcus you got through too chris.utter rubbish

[Patricia4]

Originally posted by officialleafan
Awww no, he was really happy to have stayed. He's just so happy and i am for him too :thumbs:

I think if i survived 5 evictions i'd be in Diary room going "Gimme the money! I've won" lol

Me too I agree:thumbs:

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
Originally posted by charliegimbert
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by charliegimbert
ah, so you are sree fan. hes out already :dance2:
Has nothing to do with anything. This is a seperate thread.

nope, you are bitter sree fan


He's still bitter Sree got evicted.

i know :thumbs2:

[LipticBoven]

Well its just at the end of week 5 so halfwit basically said he thinks he will surivive 1 more week in the house, it doesn't sound arrogant to me. I'm sure if BB asked all housemates weither they would still be in the house after next week im sure they would all say yes.

I don't think any1 in the house thinks that this is gunna be there last week, so does that make them all arrogant?

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by jtalh2003
playing the victim or he is arrogant
Interesting observation!

I think he's played the situation very well, but didn't orchestrate it. He realised he was an outsider who was disliked, so made sure he got the best deal of that scenario.

I wouldn't say he's arrogant per se, but is more arrogant than he often appears. Especially when involved in discussions and playing the victim role against Lisa's team.

But make no mistake, he knew he'd survive those evictions.

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
Ok I agree he is a bit TOO confident sometimes, but meh.... I can think of worse characteristics for a person to have.
This isn't a Halfwit hate thread. I honestly don't care if he's arrogant or not. I'm just pointing it out, because I thought it was interesting.


Yeah I agree it is quite interesting. At first, I was thinking he might be a mole with the level of confidence he has. No housemate (that I can think of anyway) has been as confident as he has been about surviving evictions.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by LipticBoven
Well its just at the end of week 5 so halfwit basically said he thinks he will surivive 1 more week in the house, it doesn't sound arrogant to me. I'm sure if BB asked all housemates weither they would still be in the house after next week im sure they would all say yes.

I don't think any1 in the house thinks that this is gunna be there last week, so does that make them all arrogant?
It's been 6 weeks.

BB asked him whether he thought he'd get this far, he said yes, and expects to go considerably further.

He revealed that his expectation was minimum halfway and probably more.

So those 5 evictions, he expected to win them. If he didn't expect it, he'd have said:

"No, I thought I wouldn't make it this far, that I'd be evicted in one of the 5 evictions."

[maximillion]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
I watched the HL episode tonight.

I thought his answers to BB regarding how long he thought he'd survive were quite arrogant.

Saying he expected to last at least 6 weeks and probably more.

Pretty arrogant considering he's been up every week.

So he was thinking through all those weeks that he'd survive all the evictions and make it to week 6 minimum?

Sounds like he made a pact with all you 'fans' prior to the show starting. :thumbs:

He seems to be getting more and more boring, why is this? He was hardly a massive character to begin with, but was better than now. :bored:


he has survived to week six DUHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!


:dance::dance::dance



:banana:

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

Especially when involved in discussions and playing the victim role against Lisa's team.



can you explain how he is "playing" victim? is he dreaming? :whistle:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
i know :thumbs2:
Stop spamming the thread, has nothing to do with Sree.

You can't counter anything in my 1st post.

Typical BB fan, they hide or deflect the issue when their fave is mentioned negatively.

[Dolphin-and-Whale]

I thought he meant that before he went in he thought he'd last until about week 6

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by maximillion
he has survived to week six DUHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes we all know the date.

You don't even understand the thread at all.

Keep clicking smilies, that was the best contribution in your post.

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by charliegimbert
i know :thumbs2:
Stop spamming the thread, has nothing to do with Sree.

You can't counter anything in my 1st post.

Typical BB fan, they hide or deflect the issue when their fave is mentioned negatively.


What's to 'counter' from your first post?

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by charliegimbert
i know :thumbs2:
Stop spamming the thread, has nothing to do with Sree.

You can't counter anything in my 1st post.

Typical BB fan, they hide or deflect the issue when their fave is mentioned negatively.

Srees out out out out :dance2::thumbs2::wavey::cheer2::laugh:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
can you explain how he is "playing" victim? is he dreaming? :whistle:
Wasn't my observation. Like I said, I think he realised the situation he was in, then milked it for what it's worth. He knew what he was doing, he's a clever guy.

I'm actually glad for him, I like the fact that he's played the public to a tee, and played the house to a tee, yet neither realise it.

Everyone, inside and out, thinks he's a harmless goofball getting bullied.

He's an intelligent, educated crafty guy with great strategy and knows exactly what he needs to do, what to say, when to say it, etc.

If he wins, I'll smile.

[LipticBoven]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by LipticBoven
Well its just at the end of week 5 so halfwit basically said he thinks he will surivive 1 more week in the house, it doesn't sound arrogant to me. I'm sure if BB asked all housemates weither they would still be in the house after next week im sure they would all say yes.

I don't think any1 in the house thinks that this is gunna be there last week, so does that make them all arrogant?
It's been 6 weeks.

BB asked him whether he thought he'd get this far, he said yes, and expects to go considerably further.

He revealed that his expectation was minimum halfway and probably more.

So those 5 evictions, he expected to win them. If he didn't expect it, he'd have said:

"No, I thought I wouldn't make it this far, that I'd be evicted in one of the 5 evictions."

He didn't say "considerably" further.

He may have expected to surivive until week 6 in the show just like im sure most ppl expected to survive that long. Im sure however that he didn't expect to be up for eviction every week.

And every week he hasn't said he thinks he is definity gunna stay. Last week was the first time i heard freddie say that he thinks he has a good chance of staying, and that was mainly becuase there were 4 other ppl up with him.

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

Especially when involved in discussions and playing the victim role against Lisa's team.



can you explain how he is "playing" victim? is he dreaming? :whistle:


Yes how is he playing the victim? Just because this is what Lisa and co. have been saying, you have been brainwashed by that. Can you provide proof of where he has played the victim as you say... things he has said or done for example?

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by charliegimbert
can you explain how he is "playing" victim? is he dreaming? :whistle:
Wasn't my observation. Like I said, I think he realised the situation he was in, then milked it for what it's worth. He knew what he was doing, he's a clever guy.

I'm actually glad for him, I like the fact that he's played the public to a tee, and played the house to a tee, yet neither realise it.

Everyone, inside and out, thinks he's a harmless goofball getting bullied.

He's an intelligent, educated crafty guy with great strategy and knows exactly what he needs to do, what to say, when to say it, etc.

If he wins, I'll smile.

sree was quite arrogant by the way:colour:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
Srees out out out out :dance2::thumbs2::wavey::cheer2::laugh:
Yes, well done. Still have nothing to say about the 1st post ehh?

Awww, your poor Halfwit just did a Sree in the diary room. You got played.

LOL. :joker:

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by charliegimbert
i know :thumbs2:
Stop spamming the thread, has nothing to do with Sree.

You can't counter anything in my 1st post.

Typical BB fan, they hide or deflect the issue when their fave is mentioned negatively.

Srees out out out out :dance2::thumbs2::wavey::cheer2::laugh:


Awwww poor Sree. I feel sorry for his fans :joker:

:dance2::cheer::cheer2::dance2:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
sree was quite arrogant by the way:colour:
Yep, he was!

And he got evicted.

So why is Halfwit being arrogant at the mo?

Connect the dots.

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
Originally posted by charliegimbert
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by charliegimbert
i know :thumbs2:
Stop spamming the thread, has nothing to do with Sree.

You can't counter anything in my 1st post.

Typical BB fan, they hide or deflect the issue when their fave is mentioned negatively.

Srees out out out out :dance2::thumbs2::wavey::cheer2::laugh:


Awwww poor Sree. I feel sorry for his fans :joker:

:dance2::cheer::cheer2::dance2:

:cheer::cheer2::bouncy::dance::dog::elephant::joke r::laugh3::thumbs2::xyxwave:

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by charliegimbert
sree was quite arrogant by the way:colour:
Yep, he was!

And he got evicted.

So why is Halfwit being arrogant at the mo?

Connect the dots.

because halfwit aint fake :thumbs2:

[maximillion]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by maximillion
he has survived to week six DUHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes we all know the date.

You don't even understand the thread at all.

Keep clicking smilies, that was the best contribution in your post.

And the best thing about your posts are the fact that SREEE
is gone gone gone you are a bitter and twisted little man who cant see anything good in anyone apart from sree you have symstematicly berated the other house mates who did not love your beloved sree who by the way has LEFT THE BUILDING.

NO smiles this time

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
Yes how is he playing the victim? Just because this is what Lisa and co. have been saying, you have been brainwashed by that. Can you provide proof of where he has played the victim as you say... things he has said or done for example?
Because he could have done far more to integrate himself into the group back then, like he is doing now.

He used to sit alone, or make poorly timed goofy comments that pissed everyone off.

He'd then use the angle of 'It's just me being me, I'm a friendly guy, but look - they aren't accepting it'.

He'd also debate with them - But they'd get angry, he'd stay calm, thus it looks like he's the one pushed into a corner.

He also claimed that the house were screwing him over regarding nominations. Never once did he say, 'Well, I am the outsider, so it's expected that I'd be up a lot. I need to integrate more.'

He milked the situation for what it was worth. Creating a 'House against Freddie' scenario; so the public side with the under-dog.

Clever guy. He's played the dumb BB public really well, which I appreciate.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by maximillion
And the best thing about your posts are the fact that SREEE
is gone gone gone you are a bitter and twisted little man who cant see anything good in anyone apart from sree you have symstematicly berated the other house mates who did not love your beloved sree who by the way has LEFT THE BUILDING.

NO smiles this time
So you haven't contributed anything to the thread, or challenged my 1st post, you're clinging to the fact I like Sree.

Systematically berated other HMs? Like who? Another stupid point of yours.

Sree has nothing to do with this thread. Once you understand that, you might actually be part of a discussion. It's HALFWIT, not Sree!

No smilies - Shame, like the other post, it was the best part. :joker:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
because halfwit aint fake :thumbs2:
Yes and Sree wasn't being fake in the DR, he genuinely was arrogant, and genuinely believed that he would survive against Halfwit.

[geisha]

He is not arrogant at all.

I am very happy that he is getting enjoying himself.
He deserves it. Good for him.

Has he ever talked about other group of people the way they talke about him? No! No! No! He is not arrogant.

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
Yes how is he playing the victim? Just because this is what Lisa and co. have been saying, you have been brainwashed by that. Can you provide proof of where he has played the victim as you say... things he has said or done for example?
Because he could have done far more to integrate himself into the group back then, like he is doing now.

He used to sit alone, or make poorly timed goofy comments that p****d everyone off.

He'd then use the angle of 'It's just me being me, I'm a friendly guy, but look - they aren't accepting it'.

He'd also debate with them - But they'd get angry, he'd stay calm, thus it looks like he's the one pushed into a corner.

He also claimed that the house were screwing him over regarding nominations. Never once did he say, 'Well, I am the outsider, so it's expected that I'd be up a lot. I need to integrate more.'

He milked the situation for what it was worth. Creating a 'House against Freddie' scenario; so the public side with the under-dog.

Clever guy. He's played the dumb BB public really well, which I appreciate.

-He did a lot to integrate with the group, in fact he tried a bit TOO hard which is probably why they initially got annoyed with him.
-No he didn't sit alone, come on we have video proof of him sitting with and interacting with others. Maybe he did go off on his own at times, but only because he is obviously more intelligent than the others and they made it VERY clear that they didn't want to talk about the things he wanted to talk about. If people didn't want to talk to me, I'd go off on my own too.
-he was being a nice guy, what about on the first eviction when he wanted to give Sophia a good send off and Lisa started a fight with him for no reason. Here: http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/64674466c6a14538b110c8742b168b3e/play.c4

-no he didn't milk it for what it is worth, he was merely observing what is going on around him... that Lisa and co. have a problem with him and have been putting him up for eviction every week.

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by charliegimbert
because halfwit aint fake :thumbs2:
Yes and Sree wasn't being fake in the DR, he genuinely was arrogant, and genuinely believed that he would survive against Halfwit.

LOL! :elephant:

[ManicWolf]

It's called confidence, and he has every reason to be, he's survived 5 evictions now.

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by charliegimbert
because halfwit aint fake :thumbs2:
Yes and Sree wasn't being fake in the DR, he genuinely was arrogant, and genuinely believed that he would survive against Halfwit.

LOL! :elephant:


LOL

Sree was seriously deluded. His fans were too :banana:

[sheephater]

Freddie and the speech he made on rabbit gate was the best TV of the year.......Get Lisa and the other gays bitches out!!!

[geisha]

To HalfwitFTW

Thank you for the dvd.

I did not realise how bully Lisa was towards Freddie from the beginning.

He deserves medal even he got through for one week with that nasty Lisa.

[MargeryFan]

Nobody is perfect. I like to think if i went on big brother people would like me enough to keept me in until the end otherwise there is no point signing up really :nono:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by sheephater
Freddie and the speech he made on rabbit gate was the best TV of the year.......Get Lisa and the other gays bitches out!!!
The one where he lied, saying he was in the toilet when the names were called? Yet he was sat there in the circle of four?

Yes, amazing. :joker:

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
Originally posted by charliegimbert
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by charliegimbert
because halfwit aint fake :thumbs2:
Yes and Sree wasn't being fake in the DR, he genuinely was arrogant, and genuinely believed that he would survive against Halfwit.

LOL! :elephant:


LOL

Sree was seriously deluded. His fans were too :banana:

Exactly :xyxwave:

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by geisha
To HalfwitFTW

Thank you for the dvd.

I did not realise how bully Lisa was towards Freddie from the beginning.

He deserves medal even he got through for one week with that nasty Lisa.


Yes, it was admirable the way Halfwit handled it.

Lisa had a nasty attitude with him from the start.

[kellybsblover]

whhhhhhhhhhatttt Freddie did something wrong.... NO WAY Freddie is perfect.

[minx36]

Originally posted by geisha
To HalfwitFTW

Thank you for the dvd.

I did not realise how bully Lisa was towards Freddie from the beginning.

He deserves medal even he got through for one week with that nasty Lisa.

I'd forgotten about that bit, it still makes me so angry!

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
-He did a lot to integrate with the group, in fact he tried a bit TOO hard which is probably why they initially got annoyed with him.
-No he didn't sit alone, come on we have video proof of him sitting with and interacting with others. Maybe he did go off on his own at times, but only because he is obviously more intelligent than the others and they made it VERY clear that they didn't want to talk about the things he wanted to talk about. If people didn't want to talk to me, I'd go off on my own too.
-he was being a nice guy, what about on the first eviction when he wanted to give Sophia a good send off and Lisa started a fight with him for no reason. Here: http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/64674466c6a14538b110c8742b168b3e/play.c4

-no he didn't milk it for what it is worth, he was merely observing what is going on around him... that Lisa and co. have a problem with him and have been putting him up for eviction every week.
He did at the start, he was actually part of Team Lisa at the start. But he started to lose his way, then realised the dynamic at hand. Especially when he got nominated for the 1st time - He BACKED OFF, rather than TRYING TO INTEGRATE MORE.

Yes he did chat sometimes to them, but mostly arguments. Like arguing with Lisa, or arguing with Kris. Again, creates the Team Lisa vs Freddie dynamic. Then when he's alone, he looks lonely. Perfect.

Yes he obseved what was going on, as scheming/gameplans fixed around him. He never just said, he got nominated because he was the outsider, and thus attempt to integrate more.

He had that booze-fested discussion with Charlie, and Freddie thanked Charlie about his advice to integrate more, and both agreed that it was wise. Charlie said he'd often see Freddie sat alone, and Freddie agreed. Freddie thanked Charlie, and then proceeded to try it on with him.

I agree about the video, but again, he knows how that is portrayed by the public. He knows that the bullied role serves him. That's all I'm saying, he's got a good eye on him.

[bbbri]

Freddie totally came across as arrogant in the diary room in the highlight show – however I couldn’t help but noticing the amount of times during his conversation that the picture cut to outside the diary room, way way more then normal.
Each cut to the outside is an edit in the conversation and Freddie isn't foolish enough just to say he expected to stay 6 weeks without explaining his reasons why (which are usually very valid)

[goongoondown]

if you were freddie and was to look around you and see marcus noirin lisa karly you to would be confident. Arrogance is not the same as stating a reasonable deduction. I would be more worried if he did not say it as it would show a change of his 'true to me' philosophy whoch is the very reason he has support in the first place.

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

He did at the start, he was actually part of Team Lisa at the start. But he started to lose his way, then realised the dynamic at hand. Especially when he got nominated for the 1st time - He BACKED OFF, rather than TRYING TO INTEGRATE MORE.

Yes he did chat sometimes to them, but mostly arguments. Like arguing with Lisa, or arguing with Kris. Again, creates the Team Lisa vs Freddie dynamic. Then when he's alone, he looks lonely. Perfect.

Yes he obseved what was going on, as scheming/gameplans fixed around him. He never just said, he got nominated because he was the outsider, and thus attempt to integrate more.

He had that booze-fested discussion with Charlie, and Freddie thanked Charlie about his advice to integrate more, and both agreed that it was wise. Charlie said he'd often see Freddie sat alone, and Freddie agreed. Freddie thanked Charlie, and then proceeded to try it on with him.

I agree about the video, but again, he knows how that is portrayed by the public. He knows that the bullied role serves him. That's all I'm saying, he's got a good eye on him.

your lips are flapping in the wind! :laugh3:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
your lips are flapping in the wind! :laugh3:
Yes well done, that Sree fan you kept stalking was in discussion with someone.

Wow, we could have our own little Big Brother just in this thread.

If charliegimbert gets evicted, then I can stalk him and call him bitter in every thread.

Even if the thread is about cats.

Awesome. Gotta love posting with people with IQ's of below 80. :thumbs:

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by charliegimbert
your lips are flapping in the wind! :laugh3:
Yes well done, that Sree fan you kept stalking was in discussion with someone.

Wow, we could have our own little Big Brother just in this thread.

If charliegimbert gets evicted, then I can stalk him and call him bitter in every thread.

Even if the thread is about cats.

Awesome. Gotta love posting with people with IQ's of below 80. :thumbs:

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[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
-He did a lot to integrate with the group, in fact he tried a bit TOO hard which is probably why they initially got annoyed with him.
-No he didn't sit alone, come on we have video proof of him sitting with and interacting with others. Maybe he did go off on his own at times, but only because he is obviously more intelligent than the others and they made it VERY clear that they didn't want to talk about the things he wanted to talk about. If people didn't want to talk to me, I'd go off on my own too.
-he was being a nice guy, what about on the first eviction when he wanted to give Sophia a good send off and Lisa started a fight with him for no reason. Here: http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/64674466c6a14538b110c8742b168b3e/play.c4

-no he didn't milk it for what it is worth, he was merely observing what is going on around him... that Lisa and co. have a problem with him and have been putting him up for eviction every week.
He did at the start, he was actually part of Team Lisa at the start. But he started to lose his way, then realised the dynamic at hand. Especially when he got nominated for the 1st time - He BACKED OFF, rather than TRYING TO INTEGRATE MORE.

Yes he did chat sometimes to them, but mostly arguments. Like arguing with Lisa, or arguing with Kris. Again, creates the Team Lisa vs Freddie dynamic. Then when he's alone, he looks lonely. Perfect.

Yes he obseved what was going on, as scheming/gameplans fixed around him. He never just said, he got nominated because he was the outsider, and thus attempt to integrate more.

He had that booze-fested discussion with Charlie, and Freddie thanked Charlie about his advice to integrate more, and both agreed that it was wise. Charlie said he'd often see Freddie sat alone, and Freddie agreed. Freddie thanked Charlie, and then proceeded to try it on with him.

I agree about the video, but again, he knows how that is portrayed by the public. He knows that the bullied role serves him. That's all I'm saying, he's got a good eye on him.


How would he 'know' that the bullied role will serve him in that first week? Maybe a few evictions in he might know it, and be aware of it but that first week I doubt it.

But anyway... are you blind, that video is proof of Lisa's nasty behaviour towards him for no valid reason. Clearly bullying was going on.

I think you are just bitter that Sree lost out to Freddie and are now just grasping at straws to be honest.

[LipticBoven]

You seem to think freddie is some type of master mind that can see into the future. The most obvious cases of "bullying" and bitching were generally completely unprovoked.

The first week when freddie tried to give sophia a good sending off and lisa snapped at him.

When he was talking to charlie in the garden and said "i don't think lisa likes me" and moments later lisa, karly, and kris were all shouting at freddie.

The time when he said he was going to support noirin hunger strike, which led to lisa once again having a go at him.

Asking sree to use less garlic led to sree calling him dyslexia oxford boy.

Plus many other occasions when he was trying to talk to kris.

If halfwit was somehow smart enough to know it would cause an arguement if he supportted some1's decision to go on a hunger strike, or asking the group to give some1 a good sendind off even thou they wouldn't see them actually leave the house. Them i think halfwit must be some type of genius, he must be like darren brown and be able to control and predict peoples actions.

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by LipticBoven
You seem to think freddie is some type of master mind that can see into the future. The most obvious cases of "bullying" and bitching were generally completely unprovoked.

The first week when freddie tried to give sophia a good sending off and lisa snapped at him.

When he was talking to charlie in the garden and said "i don't think lisa likes me" and moments later lisa, karly, and kris were all shouting at freddie.

The time when he said he was going to support noirin hunger strike, which led to lisa once again having a go at him.

Asking sree to use less garlic led to sree calling him dyslexia oxford boy.

Plus many other occasions when he was trying to talk to kris.

If halfwit was somehow smart enough to know it would cause an arguement if he supportted some1's decision to go on a hunger strike, or asking the group to give some1 a good sendind off even thou they wouldn't see them actually leave the house. Them i think halfwit must be some type of genius, he must be like darren brown and be able to control and predict peoples actions.


Well said.

The behaviour of Lisa, Kris and co. speaks for itself. Halfwit did not force them to behave or speak like that, they did it all themselves.

This Ahmedfan must be watching some other show to be so oblivious to what was blatantly going on.

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by LipticBoven
You seem to think freddie is some type of master mind that can see into the future. The most obvious cases of "bullying" and bitching were generally completely unprovoked.

The first week when freddie tried to give sophia a good sending off and lisa snapped at him.

When he was talking to charlie in the garden and said "i don't think lisa likes me" and moments later lisa, karly, and kris were all shouting at freddie.

The time when he said he was going to support noirin hunger strike, which led to lisa once again having a go at him.

Asking sree to use less garlic led to sree calling him dyslexia oxford boy.

Plus many other occasions when he was trying to talk to kris.

If halfwit was somehow smart enough to know it would cause an arguement if he supportted some1's decision to go on a hunger strike, or asking the group to give some1 a good sendind off even thou they wouldn't see them actually leave the house. Them i think halfwit must be some type of genius, he must be like darren brown and be able to control and predict peoples actions.

well said.

[kisywisy]

but anyone that went in there would expect to either win or last the full time. you don't go in there thinking "i'm gonna be out first week" or that noone in the house will like them. in his circle of friends outside, he IS cool and fun to be around, so why would he think any different??

[Miss-red]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
And how about Sree saying he's 200% sure he'll stay :joker:
Yes, for 1 eviction though.

But Halfwit thought he'd get to week 6 min, despite being up for eviction every week, and knowing he'd be up every week after.

And when asked about it in hindsight by BB, he still expected to make it to week 6.

And 'probably much more', as he said.

Quite arrogant. He needs to be more exciting, that's for sure. :bored: no he said before he went in the house he thought he'd make it to week six he had no idea of knowing then he'd be nominated facing eviction every week

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by LethalDealer
I thought he meant that before he went in he thought he'd last until about week 6

that's what he ment in my opinion.

how could he possibly have known he'd be up for eviction every week before he went in???

[Miss-red]

freddie seem's to me to be a naturally confident person surviving five concurrent evictions is bound to up his already high confidence, i don't see anything wrong with that its refreshing to see

[EmptySouls]

I'd have been confident if I was Halfwit...You see, he is a nice decent bloke, and the majority of the public likes nice decent folk. There is a small minority though that appear to like copmplete ass-holes like those we have already evicted.

[BBLB]

Hahahaha theres a lot of freddie supporters walking around with their eyes completely shut tight.

Halfwit is a total manipulator,he is no better than Lisa.
BB Boses fast tracked him on the show,you dont get fast tracked onto a show you dont audiition for for being a nice stand up guy.

Arrogant absolutely so.
At least 4 hms have mentioned his arrogance in the house but we dont get to see it all because of the lack of feed.
Hes a cocky sod who deserves to be pulled down a peg or two.

He has lied,he has manipulated and cheated yet some in this forum refuse to see whats in front of them.
I like Siavash but I admit his faults and he has many.

I can laugh at freddies obvious gameplaying and his faults because I am not dumb enough to be a sheep and I can see that despite their faults nobody ( and i mean that in total honesty ) nobody is really a bad person.

Lisa can manipulate,bitch and be controlling..so what,that doesnt make her a monster...She clearly doesnt like freddie and wants him out the house,well thats the game.

Kris was rude to halfwit,wow big deal,thats hardly a crime either and actually if you look at it in comparison to some things gone on over the years in the house then kris was a pussycat.

Halfwit,I really dislike his underhanded gameplay and his cocky smugness but he is also someone you can laugh at because he lives in his own littlle bubble of toryness.

And ditto to all this years hms,we may dislike their gameplans or even their arrogance or slyness but never forget this is just a game,one that means you have to eliminate your new house friends.
In real life imagine how you would come across to an audience that analysed your every word and body movement.
You never spoken about someone behind their back to a friend?
Never taken a dislike to someone and not treat them as you would your friends?
Never attack someone for having annoying habits?

All these things are exposed for us to watch,they are things we all do on some level..does that make us all bullies and vile evil people?

Yes freddie is arrogant and smug..it doesnt make him a bad person at all although sezer got roasted for being that way.
My long winded point was basically they all have faults but none of them deserve to be vilified,not lisa for being a boring control freak or freddie for being an arrogant twonk.

[MJBFAN]

Freddie has every right to be confident at the moment and not arrogant (there is a difference).
He has survived 5 evictions and now that Kris has been booted, he maybe seeing that the dynamics in the house have changed a little making it possible for him to survive just that little bit longer .
I also think that he meant he would survive for about six weeks before he went into the house and with the fact that to be up for eviction every week must have been very stressful for him and he has survived, of course he is going to be brimming with confidence after the rubbish he has had to endure this past few weeks and I would be the same in that type of situation.

Confidence and euphoria do not always mean arrogance.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by BBLB
Hahahaha theres a lot of freddie supporters walking around with their eyes completely shut tight.
Well that's the nature of sheepish banwagon BB voters. Happens every year.

Halfwit is a total manipulator,he is no better than Lisa. BB Boses fast tracked him on the show,you dont get fast tracked onto a show you dont audiition for for being a nice stand up guy.
He's clever and knows how to play his cards in the house. He's played the public perfectly and he knows how dumb they are.

Arrogant absolutely so. At least 4 hms have mentioned his arrogance in the house but we dont get to see it all because of the lack of feed. Hes a cocky sod who deserves to be pulled down a peg or two.
Even when it's showed, the bandwagoners won't accept it. Yet they'll use the same reasons to 'hate' (:rolleyes:) other HMs. LOL.

He has lied,he has manipulated and cheated yet some in this forum refuse to see whats in front of them.
Because it would crush their little bandwagon. They have to preserve the reality of being on the right bandwagon, even if mindlessly hopping on.

I can laugh at freddies obvious gameplaying and his faults because I am not dumb enough to be a sheep and I can see that despite their faults nobody ( and i mean that in total honesty ) nobody is really a bad person.
Some people here think HMs are criminals and threaten to hurt them. LOL. :spin2:

Kris was rude to halfwit,wow big deal,thats hardly a crime either and actually if you look at it in comparison to some things gone on over the years in the house then kris was a pussycat.
Of course, but bandwagoners need to cling to their reason.

In real life imagine how you would come across to an audience that analysed your every word and body movement. You never spoken about someone behind their back to a friend? Never taken a dislike to someone and not treat them as you would your friends? Never attack someone for having annoying habits?
That's the idiotic and hypocritical nature of the sub-par typical BB fan.

They are cvnts in real life, but hold the moral card to their chests on evictions, as if to portray themselves as fair and good. :rolleyes:

Yes freddie is arrogant and smug..it doesnt make him a bad person at all although sezer got roasted for being that way.
Well the bias and prejudices in society result in double-standards.

It's ok for Kris/Cairon to be womanizers - But not Sree
It's ok Freddie to be smug and arrogant - But not Kris
It's ok for Rodrigo to taunt and annoy Charlie - But not others
It's ok for Freddie to be assured he'll stay - But not Sezer
It's ok for Team Nerd to bitch/scheme/lie - But not Team Cool

etc.

What else do you expect from the BB voting public? Average IQ probably < 90. :spin2:

[HalfwitFTW]

Actually I have an IQ of 140.

Not trying to brag but yeah.

[AhmedFan2004]

Btw, I'm glad this thread got so many views. More people who hop off the bandwagon (for all the HMs, not just Halfwit, the lot) ... the better.

Any reason to like a HM based on:

= How other HMs treat him/her
= How they look as primary reason
= What group they're in
= Which HM they like/dislike which the 'fan' also likes/dislikes
= Not doing stuff, or fence sitting, on purpose too, to avoid criticism

etc

... Are in need of change. :thumbs:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
Actually I have an IQ of 140.

Not trying to brag but yeah.
Which is why you were the only one posting anything with regards to the initial post.

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
Actually I have an IQ of 140.

Not trying to brag but yeah.
Which is why you were the only one posting anything with regards to the initial post.

maybe because it's late night? golden, sisalto, ahmed or who ever you are

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
maybe because it's late night? golden, sisalto, ahmed or who ever you are
The thread started hours ago, yet you tried to spam it.

Your friend, then others, me and that person with the michelle-bass avatar chimed in nicely though, to provide discussion.

I'm just a bitter Sree fan though. So by default you are king. :thumbs:

[crazeeeyes]

I don't think Freddie's arrogant at all. I just think he's now more confident - he didn't get a single nomination this week! He seems to be thinking his way through the whole experience and assessing the situation as logically as he can... :spin2:

[a_2009]

For me Freddie's arrogance comes across in the way he goes to the diary room to speak to the viewers and relay his thoughts and observations of whats going on in the house with an air of superiority criticisng other game playing when the fact he's doing exactly the same. I think he's quite aware his 'eccentricity' with get him air time, and the diary room speeches are his little 'freddie show'.
Now surely along the way in his life he's met people he's got on with and others he hasn't...for someone with such apparent awareness of the situation around him ....he doesn't have the perceptiveness to realise the flaws in his character that may have rubbed up certain housemates the wrong way?? i.e. asking repeatedly chris and then confronting karly as to why they didn't like him (which in my opinion was orchestrated to get a reaction and make himself look a victim...he admitted as much in saying he would wind lisa up to get her to show her true colours)

I'm not saying he's a bad fella just he's played a game like everyone else yet laughs at the others for doing exactly as he is.....in my eyes this lacks self awareness that he's not seeing he's acting like the people he's criticising.

[rsefitpro2009]

He's confident and arrogant, but for me thats a good thing, because at least he is being honest and true to himself. He's not sitting on the fence and he's answering every question thats asked of him honestly!

Its up to you lot if you vote him as the winner or not, but quite frankly other than maybe Siavash Freddies probably your only option as the winner, and I for one hope he does win!

[Laruz]

AhmedFan

I watched the HL episode tonight.

I thought his answers to BB regarding how long he thought he'd survive were quite arrogant.

Saying he expected to last at least 6 weeks and probably more.

Pretty arrogant considering he's been up every week.

:rolleyes:

Seriously, this is pretty pathetic. Maybe he has confidence in his character. The fact that he thought he would survive well into the game hurts no-one.

AhmedFan

So he was thinking through all those weeks that he'd survive all the evictions and make it to week 6 minimum?

Sounds like he made a pact with all you 'fans' prior to the show starting. :thumbs:

He seems to be getting more and more boring, why is this? He was hardly a massive character to begin with, but was better than now.
Your bias towards Freddy is an explanation as to why you single him out. I think all of them are getting more boring due to their self-imposed divides.

And no, I suspect he was thinking that he would get through all these weeks not necessarily through five evictions.

AhmedFan

Yes, for 1 eviction though.

But Halfwit thought he'd get to week 6 min, despite being up for eviction every week, and knowing he'd be up every week after.

And when asked about it in hindsight by BB, he still expected to make it to week 6.

And 'probably much more', as he said.

Quite arrogant. He needs to be more exciting, that's for sure. :bored:
Again: who does this hurt?

I don't care if people have ridiculous confidence in themselves, or are arrogant about their achievements. It doesn't hurt others.

AhmedFan
I think he's played the situation very well, but didn't orchestrate it. He realised he was an outsider who was disliked, so made sure he got the best deal of that scenario.

I wouldn't say he's arrogant per se, but is more arrogant than he often appears. Especially when involved in discussions and playing the victim role against Lisa's team.

But make no mistake, he knew he'd survive those evictions.
Again, your claims are at variance with reality. Freddie repeatedly said he was not trying to play the victim both to housemates and to the diary room. You can contend that this was a lie, an emergent property of his schemish gameplan (which would be an extension of your bias) or you can cut it down with occam's razor.

And no: I don't see any evidence where Freddie had absolute confidence he would survive all evictions. He didn't really say when up against Sophia or Cairon. He believed he'd survive against Angel and the others though.

AhmedFan
Because he could have done far more to integrate himself into the group back then, like he is doing now.
Uhm, we do not have live feed. We're in no position to comment on Freddie's actual subtle efforts to integrate. Irrespectively even if not: What do you mean by 'integrate'? I am sure he tried to get along with everyone. In fact he has spent his entire time attempting to get along with everyone in there. A lot of housemates thought simply did not understand him, did not like his tone of voice (believed to be patronising) and found him strange. There's little he can do with that short of putting on a persona or breaking their prejudices.

The outward contempt, bitching and complaints about him came when he expressed his character traits that they misinterpreted, misunderstood and help in contempt. When he tried to defend himself, he was patronising. When he tried to talk to certain people, he was stirring. They consistently invoked ridiculous conspiracy theories about his mentality and his 'gameplanning' and when they couldn't justify them we got pathetic nomination reasons such as "going to bed early", or "eating too loudly".

AhmedFan
He used to sit alone, or make poorly timed goofy comments that p****d everyone off.

He'd then use the angle of 'It's just me being me, I'm a friendly guy, but look - they aren't accepting it'.
Half right.

They weren't accepting him because they felt that he was strange and annoying. Karly, Sophie, Kris, Charlie & Noirin have all led lives socialising with people just like them. Lisa has probably also never really interacted with people like Freddie. Their prejudice guided their interactions with him.

AhmedFan

He'd also debate with them - But they'd get angry, he'd stay calm, thus it looks like he's the one pushed into a corner.
You have got to be pissing me. People who lose their temper like those who argued with Freddie did deserve all the contempt they get. It was infantile. The people Freddie was mostly attempting to make amends with believe that public support by the mob and raising your voice so your opponent cannot get a word in edgeways is a valuable way to win an argument.

The fact he is capable of showing such laid-backness is those situations is a reflection of his cool character.

AhmedFan
He also claimed that the house were screwing him over regarding nominations. Never once did he say, 'Well, I am the outsider, so it's expected that I'd be up a lot. I need to integrate more.'
I agree, and disagree. Lisa (and to a lesser extent Karly) was responsible for spreading hate about Freddie. They were screwing him over. But the end result was that he was made and percieved to be an annoying outsider and consequently was nominated.

Lisa's actions are not calculation, they are passive. 'Nasty' Nick was calculating.

AhmedFan
He did at the start, he was actually part of Team Lisa at the start. But he started to lose his way, then realised the dynamic at hand. Especially when he got nominated for the 1st time - He BACKED OFF, rather than TRYING TO INTEGRATE MORE.
Sources please.

AhmedFan
Yes he did chat sometimes to them, but mostly arguments. Like arguing with Lisa, or arguing with Kris. Again, creates the Team Lisa vs Freddie dynamic. Then when he's alone, he looks lonely. Perfect.
What?

Freddie to my knowledge has never started an argument. He tries to build bridges and understand others, but he never starts arguments.

Freddie's problem with the group was that he was pushy. He was actively attempting to seek their approval and understanding. They were in the mentality that when he approached them he was going to lecture them, and talk down to them. It was their prejudice, not his.

Your complaints are inconsistent and biased. If Freddie was a master gameplayer intent on presenting himself as the underdog and the victim, why on earth would he footbullet himself and state he had massive confidence in getting through the show?

And no, I am not your 'typical big brother fan'.

/Thread

Yes, I am that arrogant.

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by a_2009
For me Freddie's arrogance comes across in the way he goes to the diary room to speak to the viewers and relay his thoughts and observations of whats going on in the house with an air of superiority criticisng other game playing when the fact he's doing exactly the same. I think he's quite aware his 'eccentricity' with get him air time, and the diary room speeches are his little 'freddie show'.
Now surely along the way in his life he's met people he's got on with and others he hasn't...for someone with such apparent awareness of the situation around him ....he doesn't have the perceptiveness to realise the flaws in his character that may have rubbed up certain housemates the wrong way?? i.e. asking repeatedly chris and then confronting karly as to why they didn't like him (which in my opinion was orchestrated to get a reaction and make himself look a victim...he admitted as much in saying he would wind lisa up to get her to show her true colours)

I'm not saying he's a bad fella just he's played a game like everyone else yet laughs at the others for doing exactly as he is.....in my eyes this lacks self awareness that he's not seeing he's acting like the people he's criticising.

blahblaaahblaaah

[Laruz]

BBLB

Hahahaha theres a lot of freddie supporters walking around with their eyes completely shut tight.

Halfwit is a total manipulator,he is no better than Lisa.
BB Boses fast tracked him on the show,you dont get fast tracked onto a show you dont audiition for for being a nice stand up guy.

Arrogant absolutely so.
At least 4 hms have mentioned his arrogance in the house but we dont get to see it all because of the lack of feed.
Hes a cocky sod who deserves to be pulled down a peg or two.

All of the above is opinion and unevidenced claims.

BBLB

He has lied,he has manipulated and cheated yet some in this forum refuse to see whats in front of them.
I like Siavash but I admit his faults and he has many.

I can laugh at freddies obvious gameplaying and his faults because I am not dumb enough to be a sheep and I can see that despite their faults nobody ( and i mean that in total honesty ) nobody is really a bad person.

Lisa can manipulate,bitch and be controlling..so what,that doesnt make her a monster...She clearly doesnt like freddie and wants him out the house,well thats the game.
Right, so when Lisa manipulates it is okay and when Freddie does it isn't?

Yawn.

BBLB
Kris was rude to halfwit,wow big deal,thats hardly a crime either and actually if you look at it in comparison to some things gone on over the years in the house then kris was a pussycat.
I disagree. Kris talked to Freddie as if he was nothing. Talking to someone as if they have no value is worse than bitching about someone imo.

[Rodrigo2Win]

All this ''freddie is arrogant'', ''freddie is pompous'' business is totally irrelevant.

The guy is a pathetic nerd. The kind of guy that you and your friends laugh about at work or in uni. The kind of guy that gets bullied heavily throughout his teenage years...

Why would the British public love this guy? Easy...for the same reason they say fat girls are ''healthy looking'' and models are ''ill'', for the same reason they voted Nadia to win, for the same reason the special olympics exist.

The public love a loser because it makes them feel good about themselves. Would Kris have been half as hated if he looked like Halfwit? **** no.

[Laruz]

Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
All this ''freddie is arrogant'', ''freddie is pompous'' business is totally irrelevant.

The guy is a pathetic nerd. The kind of guy that you and your friends laugh about at work or in uni. The kind of guy that gets bullied heavily throughout his teenage years...

Why would the British public love this guy? Easy...for the same reason they say fat girls are ''healthy looking'' and models are ''ill'', for the same reason they voted Nadia to win, for the same reason the special olympics exist.

The public love a loser because it makes them feel good about themselves. Would Kris have been half as hated if he looked like Halfwit? **** no.

Hang on: what?

Where in society do people say being fat is being healthy? Indeed society is now showing worry for women that have dangerously thin figures and that a lot should put on more weight: but that is absolutely understandable and not the same as saying being overweight = healthy. People who are overweight get a rough time.

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
All this ''freddie is arrogant'', ''freddie is pompous'' business is totally irrelevant.

The guy is a pathetic nerd. The kind of guy that you and your friends laugh about at work or in uni. The kind of guy that gets bullied heavily throughout his teenage years...

Why would the British public love this guy? Easy...for the same reason they say fat girls are ''healthy looking'' and models are ''ill'', for the same reason they voted Nadia to win, for the same reason the special olympics exist.

The public love a loser because it makes them feel good about themselves. Would Kris have been half as hated if he looked like Halfwit? **** no.

sorry but lil gay rodrigo ain't gonna win anyway

[Rodrigo2Win]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
All this ''freddie is arrogant'', ''freddie is pompous'' business is totally irrelevant.

The guy is a pathetic nerd. The kind of guy that you and your friends laugh about at work or in uni. The kind of guy that gets bullied heavily throughout his teenage years...

Why would the British public love this guy? Easy...for the same reason they say fat girls are ''healthy looking'' and models are ''ill'', for the same reason they voted Nadia to win, for the same reason the special olympics exist.

The public love a loser because it makes them feel good about themselves. Would Kris have been half as hated if he looked like Halfwit? **** no.

sorry but lil gay rodrigo ain't gonna win anyway


Of course he wont. He's good-looking, well-dressed and confident.

[a_2009]

Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
All this ''freddie is arrogant'', ''freddie is pompous'' business is totally irrelevant.

The guy is a pathetic nerd. The kind of guy that you and your friends laugh about at work or in uni. The kind of guy that gets bullied heavily throughout his teenage years...

Why would the British public love this guy? Easy...for the same reason they say fat girls are ''healthy looking'' and models are ''ill'', for the same reason they voted Nadia to win, for the same reason the special olympics exist.

The public love a loser because it makes them feel good about themselves. Would Kris have been half as hated if he looked like Halfwit? **** no.

I don't think you're examples i.e. the paralympic and saying 'fat girls are healthy looking' are the most well thought out, but i agree with you mate on the fact the british public does love an underdog, whether it's due to the fact it's something an individual indentifies with from personal experience or as a form of political correctness to make themselves feel better.

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win


Of course he wont. He's good-looking, well-dressed and confident.

oh, you are talking about Siavash

[Rodrigo2Win]

Originally posted by a_2009
Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
All this ''freddie is arrogant'', ''freddie is pompous'' business is totally irrelevant.

The guy is a pathetic nerd. The kind of guy that you and your friends laugh about at work or in uni. The kind of guy that gets bullied heavily throughout his teenage years...

Why would the British public love this guy? Easy...for the same reason they say fat girls are ''healthy looking'' and models are ''ill'', for the same reason they voted Nadia to win, for the same reason the special olympics exist.

The public love a loser because it makes them feel good about themselves. Would Kris have been half as hated if he looked like Halfwit? **** no.

I don't think you're examples i.e. the paralympic and saying 'fat girls are healthy looking' are the most well thought out, but i agree with you mate on the fact the british public does love an underdog, whether it's due to the fact it's something an individual indentifies with from personal experience or as a form of political correctness to make themselves feel better.

I think you've hit the nail on the head with that one.

[Rodrigo2Win]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win


Of course he wont. He's good-looking, well-dressed and confident.

oh, you are talking about Siavash


:bored:

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
Originally posted by charliegimbert
Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win


Of course he wont. He's good-looking, well-dressed and confident.

oh, you are talking about Siavash


:bored:

yes you are, you just don't realize it yet

[Rodrigo2Win]

Ok Charles.

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
Ok Charles.

you gonna thank me later

[anonycat]

Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
All this ''freddie is arrogant'', ''freddie is pompous'' business is totally irrelevant.

The guy is a pathetic nerd. The kind of guy that you and your friends laugh about at work or in uni. The kind of guy that gets bullied heavily throughout his teenage years...

Why would the British public love this guy? Easy...for the same reason they say fat girls are ''healthy looking'' and models are ''ill'', for the same reason they voted Nadia to win, for the same reason the special olympics exist.

The public love a loser because it makes them feel good about themselves. Would Kris have been half as hated if he looked like Halfwit? **** no.

Didn't you say you were an aspiring comedian in another thread?

Ah, I see it now! This bit is hilarious!!
I do :love: sarcasm.

~~~

Honestly though, assuming you are being serious and actually think like this, I think your post is a bit sad.
Your comments portray you as someone who is completely obsessed with appearance and some senseless standard of (what you obviously consider) attractive/"cool", and unable or unwilling to acknowledge deeper things, more deserving of merit.

You contend people somehow identify with their inner "losers" when embracing one of the people that you consider a loser. I agree people can feel a connection with someone based on their own experiences in life.
But by the same token, it is well documented in psychology, social science, and history that one often despises in others what they (sometimes unwittingly) despise in themselves.
:whistle:

[Rodrigo2Win]

Originally posted by anonycat
Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
All this ''freddie is arrogant'', ''freddie is pompous'' business is totally irrelevant.

The guy is a pathetic nerd. The kind of guy that you and your friends laugh about at work or in uni. The kind of guy that gets bullied heavily throughout his teenage years...

Why would the British public love this guy? Easy...for the same reason they say fat girls are ''healthy looking'' and models are ''ill'', for the same reason they voted Nadia to win, for the same reason the special olympics exist.

The public love a loser because it makes them feel good about themselves. Would Kris have been half as hated if he looked like Halfwit? **** no.

Didn't you say you were an aspiring comedian in another thread?

Ah, I see it now! This bit is hilarious!!
I do :love: sarcasm.

~~~

Honestly though, assuming you are being serious and actually think like this, I think your post is a bit sad.
Your comments portray you as someone who is completely obsessed with appearance and some senseless standard of (what you obviously consider) attractive/"cool", and unable or unwilling to acknowledge deeper things, more deserving of merit.

You contend people somehow identify with their inner "losers" when embracing one of the people that you consider a loser. I agree people can feel a connection with someone based on their own experiences in life.
But by the same token, it is well documented in psychology, social science, and history that one often despises in others what they (sometimes unwittingly) despise in themselves.
:whistle:


So basically, I'm absolutely right, but I'm an arsehole for saying so, yes?

Oh, no, I got that wrong...

I dislike an annoying socially inept loser, therefore I am one myself.

Gotchya.

[anonycat]

Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
Originally posted by anonycat
Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
All this ''freddie is arrogant'', ''freddie is pompous'' business is totally irrelevant.

The guy is a pathetic nerd. The kind of guy that you and your friends laugh about at work or in uni. The kind of guy that gets bullied heavily throughout his teenage years...

Why would the British public love this guy? Easy...for the same reason they say fat girls are ''healthy looking'' and models are ''ill'', for the same reason they voted Nadia to win, for the same reason the special olympics exist.

The public love a loser because it makes them feel good about themselves. Would Kris have been half as hated if he looked like Halfwit? **** no.

Didn't you say you were an aspiring comedian in another thread?

Ah, I see it now! This bit is hilarious!!
I do :love: sarcasm.

~~~

Honestly though, assuming you are being serious and actually think like this, I think your post is a bit sad.
Your comments portray you as someone who is completely obsessed with appearance and some senseless standard of (what you obviously consider) attractive/"cool", and unable or unwilling to acknowledge deeper things, more deserving of merit.

You contend people somehow identify with their inner "losers" when embracing one of the people that you consider a loser. I agree people can feel a connection with someone based on their own experiences in life.
But by the same token, it is well documented in psychology, social science, and history that one often despises in others what they (sometimes unwittingly) despise in themselves.
:whistle:


So basically, I'm absolutely right, but I'm an arsehole for saying so, yes?


:laugh2:

You know, it actually does not much surprise me that you came away from reading my post with that conclusion.

[Rodrigo2Win]

Read again.

[anonycat]

You added:



Oh, no, I got that wrong...

I dislike an annoying socially inept loser, therefore I am one myself.

Gotchya.

I say:
Keep trying... maybe look a bit deeper.

--

I am not calling you, or anyone else, a loser. :hug:

[Rodrigo2Win]

Yeah,

The whole ''they just say that 'cause they're insecure with themselves'' gimmick is just what parents say to make their bullied children feel better.

But I'm assuming it worked on you as a youngster, so feel free to keep on using. :)

[a_2009]

My understanding of anonycats post mate is that to put it bluntly yer examples were pretty shallow. The faults we see in other can be subconscious with regards to our own flaws and that we can identify with the underdog based on our own experiences of being an underdog....nothing really offensive against you.....although i may have interpreted it completely wrong :blush2:

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
Yeah,

The whole ''they just say that 'cause they're insecure with themselves'' gimmick is just what parents say to make their bullied children feel better.

But I'm assuming it worked on you as a youngster, so feel free to keep on using. :)

are you smoking crack?

[Rodrigo2Win]

Originally posted by a_2009
My understanding of anonycats post mate is that to put it bluntly yer examples were pretty shallow. The faults we see in other can be subconscious with regards to our own flaws and that we can identify with the underdog based on our own experiences of being an underdog....nothing really offensive against you.....although i may have interpreted it completely wrong :blush2:

I dunno,

I wouldn't say they were shallow. If a guy comes across as a complete and utter dork, I think that's a valid reason to dislike him just like Kris did. Kris was normal.

Suggesting I hate halfwitt because I think he's like me is ridiculous.

[anonycat]

Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
Yeah,

The whole ''they just say that 'cause they're insecure with themselves'' gimmick is just what parents say to make their bullied children feel better.

But I'm assuming it worked on you as a youngster, so feel free to keep on using. :)

Cute. I actually was never bullied, but that's charming, nonetheless.

One day, you'll come to realize, all that I was (vaguely attempting) to convey, on your own.
Most people already have or do.
Either that, or you'll become a lonely bitter old man, alone with your judgements of other people. ,:-)

(Or you could build yourself a lil elitist society of bitter, judgmental old men. (~_^)b We all know there are more that think like you out there.)

[Rodrigo2Win]

Originally posted by charliegimbert
Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
Yeah,

The whole ''they just say that 'cause they're insecure with themselves'' gimmick is just what parents say to make their bullied children feel better.

But I'm assuming it worked on you as a youngster, so feel free to keep on using. :)

are you smoking crack?


:bored:

[Rodrigo2Win]

Originally posted by anonycat



(Or you could build yourself a lil elitist society of bitter, judgmental old men. (~_^)b We all know there are more that think like you out there.)



Or even better...

Just mix with people with some social ability.

[Rodrigo2Win]

Pete, Nadia, Halfwit...

You think those three would be on the top of the invite list of a normal person's party?

Don't hate me for calling a freak a freak.

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
Originally posted by charliegimbert
Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
Yeah,

The whole ''they just say that 'cause they're insecure with themselves'' gimmick is just what parents say to make their bullied children feel better.

But I'm assuming it worked on you as a youngster, so feel free to keep on using. :)

are you smoking crack?


:bored:

yes you are.

[Laruz]

Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
Pete, Nadia, Halfwit...

You think those three would be on the top of the invite list of a normal person's party?

Don't hate me for calling a freak a freak.

:rolleyes:

All normal really means is usual, or average. To claim something as 'normal' doesn't mean anything whatsoever other than it is fairly common.

So I think your point is really pretty meaningless. It is likely that people will be interested with, or like "freaks" or eccentrics in that show (as many do in real life) because they stand out from the everyone else. A clue: most people on the show who have been labelled dull are normal.

[Rodrigo2Win]

Originally posted by Laruz
Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
Pete, Nadia, Halfwit...

You think those three would be on the top of the invite list of a normal person's party?

Don't hate me for calling a freak a freak.

:rolleyes:

All normal really means is usual, or average. To claim something as 'normal' doesn't mean anything whatsoever other than it is fairly common.

So I think your point is really pretty meaningless. It is likely that people will be interested with, or like "freaks" or eccentrics in that show (as many do in real life) because they stand out from the everyone else. A clue: most people on the show who have been labelled dull are normal.


Fair point.

[HellShark]

Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
All this ''freddie is arrogant'', ''freddie is pompous'' business is totally irrelevant.

The guy is a pathetic nerd. The kind of guy that you and your friends laugh about at work or in uni. The kind of guy that gets bullied heavily throughout his teenage years...

Why would the British public love this guy? Easy...for the same reason they say fat girls are ''healthy looking'' and models are ''ill'', for the same reason they voted Nadia to win, for the same reason the special olympics exist.

The public love a loser because it makes them feel good about themselves. Would Kris have been half as hated if he looked like Halfwit? **** no.

There is truth in this. The majority of the public are jealous people. Sophie topics are loaded with comments about her '13 year old body', or 'not all that without make-up'.

People love to exaggerate the faults in people they are jealous of. Kris was a bit cheeky and had an ego, but I don't feel threatened by that and would gladly accept him as a mate.

Halfwit is a pube. His faults are ignored and people adore his laid back, nice guy approach. But that is the difference between BB and reality, who you like to see on the TV and who you would want to hang around with are two different things.

[fizz38]

They all think they will win why do you think they are in there. the difference is he doesn't stab you in the back to get there. and if I won five evictions I would feel a little confident wouldn't you :dance2:

[Destini]

Freddie is far from perfect, I like him but he's often arrogant and quite annoying.

Halfwit fans just dismiss everything negative about him thoughso it's not really worth arguing, even though you're correct.

[Destini]

Oh and Rodrigo2Win, you were spot on...

In fact that's by far the most intelligent post I've ever seen on this forum.

[fizz38]

who thinks Kris is good looking and why?

I don't think so. He just hides his face with hair.
If you think you are as good looking as he does, why hide your face
It is him that was arrogant not Freddie (Half wit)

[olga]

Originally posted by Laruz
Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
Pete, Nadia, Halfwit...

You think those three would be on the top of the invite list of a normal person's party?

Don't hate me for calling a freak a freak.

:rolleyes:

All normal really means is usual, or average. To claim something as 'normal' doesn't mean anything whatsoever other than it is fairly common.

So I think your point is really pretty meaningless. It is likely that people will be interested with, or like "freaks" or eccentrics in that show (as many do in real life) because they stand out from the everyone else. A clue: most people on the show who have been labelled dull are normal.

.....give me someone eccentric like Freddie any day than the so-called "normal" aka vacuous self-obsessed housemate. Same in real life - I always prefer talking to people who are different, eccentric and totally happy in their own skin than people obsessed about their looks and how people perceive them - they are so boring to talk to. He is a breath of fresh air because he is so different, and all the Freddie haters who said that once he was no longer perceived as "the victim" then his popularity would drop like a stone, have been proved wrong - now we are seeing the happy, fun side of Freddie, his popularity has never been higher (43% of the vote on most favourite housemate on Digital Spy) :cheer2:

[Addy]

They all think they will win why do you think they are in there. the difference is he doesn't stab you in the back to get there. and if I won five evictions I would feel a little confident wouldn't you
Totally agree!!!

As for who I like on TV and who I like to hang out with is one and the same for me! Who in there would I mix with...only Siavash & Freddie. The rest I cant trust!

As for slagging off Freddie fans, I think thats really uncalled for. You can have your opinion and thats fine but so can I!

Freddie to win!!!!

[Rollerrd]

I thought we might have seen the last of you, Ahmed, when Sree left. You seemed to fade away for a short while. Alas you're back, so I'm going to make the effort and ignore you.

On a different note, I don't think Freddie's arrogant, he's just boring me at the moment. He's done bugger all lately.