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rediscool
13-07-2009, 10:42 AM
I'm not saying I'm a fan or anything but I don't quite understand all this Lisa hatred. I haven't actually SEEN any strong examples of her manipulation. I've heard the housemates say it lots but I haven't seen it. Maybe it's because I'm not watching live, or maybe I'm just blind. To be honest I dislike Karly more, which is a change from at the beginning...
Any examples anyone?
I don't dislike her as much as I did a few weeks ago, but I don't like her constantly hating on Freddie like how she always picks up on the fact that he's rich or has money in his family! and her voice is kind of annoying :laugh:
HELLIWONTGO
13-07-2009, 10:50 AM
Well, she has been warned twice about her attitude so that must mean something, although I have seen enough of half-wit and his singing to last the rest of my life!
arsenalforever
13-07-2009, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by HELLIWONTGO
Well, she has been warned twice about her attitude so that must mean something, although I have seen enough of half-wit and his singing to last the rest of my life!
she isn't as bad as Noirin is
at least with Lisa she;s loyal Noirin isn't
yousoboo!
13-07-2009, 10:54 AM
Lisa stands at the sidelines and eggs on people into having arguments. Then she sits back and enjoys watching the carnage. Plus she was hideous to Freddie during the first 4 weeks of the series.
Originally posted by yousoboo!
Lisa stands at the sidelines and eggs people into having arguments. Then she sits back and enjoys watching the carnage. Plus she was hideous to Freddie during the first 4 weeks of the series.
Agree :thumbs:
arsenalforever
13-07-2009, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by yousoboo!
Lisa stands at the sidelines and eggs on people into having arguments. Then she sits back and enjoys watching the carnage. Plus she was hideous to Freddie during the first 4 weeks of the series.
But at leasts she doesn't betray her gang
Originally posted by arsenalforever
Originally posted by yousoboo!
Lisa stands at the sidelines and eggs on people into having arguments. Then she sits back and enjoys watching the carnage. Plus she was hideous to Freddie during the first 4 weeks of the series.
But at leasts she doesn't betray her gang
She will if she needs to without a second thought.
Lisa only cares about Lisa :laugh:
arsenalforever
13-07-2009, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by josycee
Originally posted by arsenalforever
Originally posted by yousoboo!
Lisa stands at the sidelines and eggs on people into having arguments. Then she sits back and enjoys watching the carnage. Plus she was hideous to Freddie during the first 4 weeks of the series.
But at leasts she doesn't betray her gang
She will if she needs to without a second thought.
Lisa only cares about Lisa :laugh:
So what about Noirin?
I'm surprised no one fears her:shrug:
Bombardier
13-07-2009, 10:57 AM
She can be very, very personal in some of the tactics she uses in an argument. Not once has Freddie brought someone's background up as a means of gaining leverage, freezing them out, or making them feel bad. Lisa is toxic in this respect and it makes it look like she's got a real chip on her shoulder.
Whenever there is a situation or some new information, Lisa can quickly turn something that might resolve itself naturally OR EVEN IN A FUNNY OR ENTERTAINING WAY and turn it into a mess of conflict. She starts with little comments like "oo wots freddie done now? has e shat himself?" She can rapidly polarize people in any situation by pretending that she is responding naturally and honestly to looming conflict, when in reality her only aim is to escalate conflict by any means necessary.
Angus
13-07-2009, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by HELLIWONTGO
Well, she has been warned twice about her attitude so that must mean something, although I have seen enough of half-wit and his singing to last the rest of my life!
I despise able-bodied scrounging 41 yearold layabouts who are thick as sh*t, and totally unemployable, smoke like chimneys and don't have a decent bone in their body - Lisa is a waste of space. She is long term unemployed so
how does she pay for her cigs and tattoos? From taxpayers' money that's how. And BB thought we would find the raddled old hag "entertaining"?:rolleyes: Wish it was her up this week:mad:
Originally posted by arsenalforever
Originally posted by josycee
Originally posted by arsenalforever
Originally posted by yousoboo!
Lisa stands at the sidelines and eggs on people into having arguments. Then she sits back and enjoys watching the carnage. Plus she was hideous to Freddie during the first 4 weeks of the series.
But at leasts she doesn't betray her gang
She will if she needs to without a second thought.
Lisa only cares about Lisa :laugh:
So what about Noirin?
I'm surprised no one fears her:shrug:
Noirin doesnt bitch half as much as Karly or Lisa though.
Angus
13-07-2009, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by Marcjswp
I don't dislike her as much as I did a few weeks ago, but I don't like her constantly hating on Freddie like how she always picks up on the fact that he's rich or has money in his family! and her voice is kind of annoying :laugh:
She's jealous as ***** - such a loser:rolleyes:
yousoboo!
13-07-2009, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by Bombardier
She can be very, very personal in some of the tactics she uses in an argument. Not once has Freddie brought someone's background up as a means of gaining leverage, freezing them out, or making them feel bad. Lisa is toxic in this respect and it makes it look like she's got a real chip on her shoulder.
Whenever there is a situation or some new information, Lisa can quickly turn something that might resolve itself naturally OR EVEN IN A FUNNY OR ENTERTAINING WAY and turn it into a mess of conflict. She starts with little comments like "oo wots freddie done now? has e shat himself?" She can rapidly polarize people in any situation by pretending that she is responding naturally and honestly to looming conflict, when in reality her only aim is to escalate conflict by any means necessary.
nice post:thumbs:
arsenalforever
13-07-2009, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by josycee
Originally posted by arsenalforever
Originally posted by josycee
Originally posted by arsenalforever
Originally posted by yousoboo!
Lisa stands at the sidelines and eggs on people into having arguments. Then she sits back and enjoys watching the carnage. Plus she was hideous to Freddie during the first 4 weeks of the series.
But at leasts she doesn't betray her gang
She will if she needs to without a second thought.
Lisa only cares about Lisa :laugh:
So what about Noirin?
I'm surprised no one fears her:shrug:
Noirin doesnt bitch half as much as Karly or Lisa though.
Noirin bitching is far worse though
Originally posted by arsenalforever
Originally posted by josycee
Originally posted by arsenalforever
Originally posted by josycee
Originally posted by arsenalforever
Originally posted by yousoboo!
Lisa stands at the sidelines and eggs on people into having arguments. Then she sits back and enjoys watching the carnage. Plus she was hideous to Freddie during the first 4 weeks of the series.
But at leasts she doesn't betray her gang
She will if she needs to without a second thought.
Lisa only cares about Lisa :laugh:
So what about Noirin?
I'm surprised no one fears her:shrug:
Noirin doesnt bitch half as much as Karly or Lisa though.
Noirin bitching is far worse though
You really think so arse? :puzzled:
Give me an example :whistle:
arsenalforever
13-07-2009, 11:08 AM
Her Bunnygate rant at Siavash and Freddie was evil
Also her backstabbing Marcus to Team lisa:nono:
Niamh.
13-07-2009, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by arsenalforever
Her Bunnygate rant at Siavash and Freddie was evil
Also her backstabbing Marcus to Team lisa:nono:
I bet Noirin is really realising now what a big mistake she made then and that Siavash was spot on!!!!
Originally posted by arsenalforever
Her Bunnygate rant at Siavash and Freddie was evil
Also her backstabbing Marcus to Team lisa:nono:
Ok i see were your coming from with the bunny gate thing but i still think Karlys bitching is a lot nastier, she does it constantly its as if shes only ever happy when shes being nasty about someone, and have you seen some of the sour vile looks she gives the other hms :shocked:
Niamh.
13-07-2009, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by josycee
Originally posted by arsenalforever
Her Bunnygate rant at Siavash and Freddie was evil
Also her backstabbing Marcus to Team lisa:nono:
Ok i see were your coming from with the bunny gate thing but i still think Karlys bitching is a lot nastier, she does it constantly its as if shes only ever happy when shes being nasty about someone, and have you seen some of the sour vile looks she gives the other hms :shocked:
I agree, while the Bunnygate incident was bad (especially since Siavash is my fav!!) atleast Noirin apologised to Siavash. Lisa & Karly never apologise for being bitches, they seem to think they are always right and that their bitchiness is justified!!! :nono:
yousoboo!
13-07-2009, 11:19 AM
Noirin is totally evil. But I really want to see Lisa sit on the bench smoking furiously realising that her plan has exploded in her face come friday night. Get Karly out!!!
Insane_Spirit
13-07-2009, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by angus58
Originally posted by HELLIWONTGO
Well, she has been warned twice about her attitude so that must mean something, although I have seen enough of half-wit and his singing to last the rest of my life!
I despise able-bodied scrounging 41 yearold layabouts who are thick as sh*t, and totally unemployable, smoke like chimneys and don't have a decent bone in their body - Lisa is a waste of space. She is long term unemployed so
how does she pay for her cigs and tattoos? From taxpayers' money that's how. And BB thought we would find the raddled old hag "entertaining"?:rolleyes: Wish it was her up this week:mad:
Guess she and her situation has struck a nerve with you Angus58!?
As to how she pays for her cigs and tattoos - she's over 40 years old...the tatts may have been done over 20 years ago for all we know, so that topic is mute, however the cigs/tobacco is a different matter. Clearly she would smoke sh*te through a dirty dishcloth, which leads me to believe she doesn't do without on the 'outside'.
Assuming she only smokes tobacco roll-ups, that would cost her around £15 per week (depending on the type of baccy used) - which is a significant chunk out of unemployment benefit (Jobseeker's Allowance) of £64.30 per week (Direct.gov figures for single 25 years old & over).
Fundamentally, there is NO reason why she should be long term unemployed. She isn't physically restricted and her lack of intellect wouldn't prevent her from doing a menial manual job, such as packing vegetables or cleaning, for example.
Which means, IMO, she is long-term unemployed through choice because she's LAZY!!!
AND......
To claim benefit as long term unemployed (Jobseeker's Allowance), you MUST be:
Actively seeking work; and Available for work
Lisa is clearly neither at this moment in time!
Questions need to be asked as to why she has been allowed to remain unemployed and claiming benefits for so long AND a closer look into her lifestyle - e.g. smoking/drinking to clarify how she funds it, to be certain she isn't 'doing the double' at the tax-payers expense! (Bad enough the bloody politicians are getting away with it!) :rolleyes:
She can be very, very personal in some of the tactics she uses in an argument. Not once has Freddie brought someone's background up as a means of gaining leverage, freezing them out, or making them feel bad. Lisa is toxic in this respect and it makes it look like she's got a real chip on her shoulder.
Whenever there is a situation or some new information, Lisa can quickly turn something that might resolve itself naturally OR EVEN IN A FUNNY OR ENTERTAINING WAY and turn it into a mess of conflict. She starts with little comments like "oo wots freddie done now? has e shat himself?" She can rapidly polarize people in any situation by pretending that she is responding naturally and honestly to looming conflict, when in reality her only aim is to escalate conflict by any means necessary.
:thumbs:
Lets see how long it is before Lisa and Karly start on dogface when she pulls even further away from them. the only people Lisa says anything pleasant about is within her little click. Actually thinking about it they remind me of Patti and Selma on the Simpsons - sitting at the bloody bus stop all day and puffing away.
Marcus actually had it spot on last night when he said she isnt intelligent enough to have come into the house with a game plan, she re schemes after every nomination for that week i.e. lets get dogface over in our corner now kris has gone. Its hilarious that she thinks she can get Siavash into their group as he's apparently not in any group.
A lot on here dont like Marcus but if you take away the chasing of Noirin hes actually sussed out the whole of the house I believe it was him that said their isnt two groups there is one group and other housemates that are more intelligent and think for themselves just happens that they think similar things.
HalfwitFTW
13-07-2009, 11:58 AM
What I dislike most about her is she thinks she deserves respect from everyone when she has very little respect for others.
Many times she has been shown speaking to Freddie in a very rude manner but when he attempts to respond back, she tells him to 'shut up', saying 'stay out of it','don't speak to me with that voice' or 'don't give me attitude'... as if she's his mother.
When Sree and Marcus had that argument over Marcus mimicking Sree's accent, Lisa got involved and butted her nose in, and sat quietly whilst Noirin and Kris butted their noses in as well. But when Freddie attempted to say something, she shouted him down, telling him to shut up and not get involved!
She appears to have calmed down a bit lately with her treatment towards Freddie, but she still has a very rude way of speaking about her. She HAS shown she can have a nice side, for example she was very nice with Sree, but she needs to show it more if she wants to be liked.
28thapril
13-07-2009, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by arsenalforever
Originally posted by yousoboo!
Lisa stands at the sidelines and eggs on people into having arguments. Then she sits back and enjoys watching the carnage. Plus she was hideous to Freddie during the first 4 weeks of the series.
But at leasts she doesn't betray her gang
Not many real faithfulls left now only karly
Dogface is being swayed and charlie well he's charlie!!!:conf:
Lisa is really struggling at the mo to keep a grip on things:xyxwave:
Striptease
13-07-2009, 12:05 PM
if you dislike Karly you have to dislike Lisa too. They are 24/7 together, they have always the same opinion, the same thoughts, same EVERYTHING!
Cybele
13-07-2009, 12:20 PM
Lisa is a puppetmaster.
Let me give you a different scenario. A mafia boss sends a hitman out to kill someone. Who is the more evil? The person who follows the order to kill? Or the person who sits back and lets other people do the job while they get no blood on their hands? They enjoy the benefits without having to appear guilty (even though they are).
That is the relationship of Lisa and Karly. Lisa is the mob boss and Karly is the (verbal) hit man.
rediscool
13-07-2009, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by yousoboo!
Lisa stands at the sidelines and eggs on people into having arguments. Then she sits back and enjoys watching the carnage. Plus she was hideous to Freddie during the first 4 weeks of the series.
That is true.
BB_Eye
13-07-2009, 02:07 PM
She is quite obviously a bully. I thought we had all established this now.
=-Incognito-=
13-07-2009, 02:31 PM
I dislike Karly more. Lisa however is ultimately responsible for the loss of Angel and will be punished for her show-ruining ways.
Beastie
13-07-2009, 02:32 PM
a few need to be booted out!! the worst part is that team nasty are slowly being booted out 1 by 1!! its about time for a double eviction :D
ManicWolf
13-07-2009, 02:38 PM
Both Karly and Lisa are sour-faced bullies. They've both been awful to Freddie for no good reason. The only time I ever see Lisa smile is when she's getting involved in arguments and/or ganging up on people.
GiRTh
13-07-2009, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by Bombardier
She can be very, very personal in some of the tactics she uses in an argument. Not once has Freddie brought someone's background up as a means of gaining leverage, freezing them out, or making them feel bad. Lisa is toxic in this respect and it makes it look like she's got a real chip on her shoulder.
Whenever there is a situation or some new information, Lisa can quickly turn something that might resolve itself naturally OR EVEN IN A FUNNY OR ENTERTAINING WAY and turn it into a mess of conflict. She starts with little comments like "oo wots freddie done now? has e shat himself?" She can rapidly polarize people in any situation by pretending that she is responding naturally and honestly to looming conflict, when in reality her only aim is to escalate conflict by any means necessary. Nicely put.:thumbs:
When the series ends I'm sure her minnions will wonder how she ever managed to manipulate them. The likes of Sophie, Karly and Charlie need to distance themselves from her before they're all picked off.
Beastie
13-07-2009, 02:46 PM
karly out this week?? lisa out next?
lmao!! quite a few new girls need to enter!!!
the current females are dropping like flies!
bbisfun
13-07-2009, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by rediscool
I'm not saying I'm a fan or anything but I don't quite understand all this Lisa hatred. I haven't actually SEEN any strong examples of her manipulation. I've heard the housemates say it lots but I haven't seen it. Maybe it's because I'm not watching live, or maybe I'm just blind. To be honest I dislike Karly more, which is a change from at the beginning...
Any examples anyone?
Lisa: "His getting strong again"
Those were words ushered by Lisa in regards to Freddie, this woman knew her and the bully bunch broke him down that she had to inform her gang he was on the rise again. This woman is vile and evil and she needs to go.
sheephater
13-07-2009, 03:10 PM
Must be blind as a bat.Lisa from day one wanted Freddie out because he is a rich toff,never gave him a chance....Se sits about and bitches with Karly everyday etc etc.....could say more but getting bored now!!!
CaPPa
13-07-2009, 04:27 PM
Lisa was orchestrating the nominations by bad mouthing people. It seemed like every week before they would nominate Lisa would be sitting with her group talking about people and then low and behold they would all nominate the people that they'd just been talking about.
She also demands that others give her respect, yet has no respect for anyone else. With Halfwit she had decided to not like him from the get go and would tell him to shut up without even listening to what he was saying. That is just ignorant.
The only entertainment that I've gotten from Lisa so far is her shocked look when one of her cronies gets evicted.
moonballoon
14-07-2009, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Bombardier
She can be very, very personal in some of the tactics she uses in an argument. Not once has Freddie brought someone's background up as a means of gaining leverage, freezing them out, or making them feel bad. Lisa is toxic in this respect and it makes it look like she's got a real chip on her shoulder.
Whenever there is a situation or some new information, Lisa can quickly turn something that might resolve itself naturally OR EVEN IN A FUNNY OR ENTERTAINING WAY and turn it into a mess of conflict. She starts with little comments like "oo wots freddie done now? has e shat himself?" She can rapidly polarize people in any situation by pretending that she is responding naturally and honestly to looming conflict, when in reality her only aim is to escalate conflict by any means necessary.
Yes, exactly ... what you said. I didn't mind Lisa too much till last night, when Rodrigo and Freddie said in their nominations how she just spends her whole time sitting smoking and talking negatively about other people there ... and I realised that is true. She is one of those people who drains all the fun out of life, and has to be the boss.
a_2009
14-07-2009, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by rediscool
I'm not saying I'm a fan or anything but I don't quite understand all this Lisa hatred. I haven't actually SEEN any strong examples of her manipulation. I've heard the housemates say it lots but I haven't seen it. Maybe it's because I'm not watching live, or maybe I'm just blind. To be honest I dislike Karly more, which is a change from at the beginning...
Any examples anyone?
People like a bad guy to vent at in these kinda shows...it all turns in to pantomime really.
So you get the people who think they are really intelligent and throw words around like vile, evil, hate....all pretty strong words for people who are in an environment that magnifies their flaws ten fold.....yet ask the individuals throwing these words around if they've ever made mistakes, treated someone in an unjust manner and whether the language used towards the housemates is reasonable and if it makes them any better than the people they refer to as 'evil' etc etc.....
In summary it's easy to judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their actions!
golden
14-07-2009, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by a_2009
Originally posted by rediscool
I'm not saying I'm a fan or anything but I don't quite understand all this Lisa hatred. I haven't actually SEEN any strong examples of her manipulation. I've heard the housemates say it lots but I haven't seen it. Maybe it's because I'm not watching live, or maybe I'm just blind. To be honest I dislike Karly more, which is a change from at the beginning...
Any examples anyone?
People like a bad guy to vent at in these kinda shows...it all turns in to pantomime really.
So you get the people who think they are really intelligent and throw words around like vile, evil, hate....all pretty strong words for people who are in an environment that magnifies their flaws ten fold.....yet ask the individuals throwing these words around if they've ever made mistakes, treated someone in an unjust manner and whether the language used towards the housemates is reasonable and if it makes them any better than the people they refer to as 'evil' etc etc.....
In summary it's easy to judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their actions!
:hello: Well said!
RCW1945
14-07-2009, 01:33 PM
Do you think she has bits of paper like Nick had?
It is a bit more than chance the way the sheep vote in unison.
The latest and best example was how in one week they all switched from voting Freddie to not voting Freddie.
During the week we heard K & L saying nice things about him whereas the previous week's conversations were littered with anti-Freddie snipes.
Perhaps this is her secret, no mention of nominations, just dripping poison until the thickos have got their leader's message. She certainly excels at this!
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