View Full Version : In future BB should do away with Smoking Corner.....
davidalbert
16-07-2009, 05:17 PM
It really is time BB did away with Smoking Corner completely, certainly for BB11.................although I would abolish it next week.............
Smoking Corner allows housemates like Lisa to create a bolt hole apart from the main group...........
also I bet anything American BB doesnt have a smoking corner by now......the UK hangs on to something that is outmoded......
Smoking corner must go.....................housemates must not have priveliged bolt holes..............
The only problem is that, thanks to the UK smoking ban, they're required to have a designated outdoor smoking area (though I don't see why they can't just allow them to smoke anywhere as long as it is outdoors).
IsleOfWeather
16-07-2009, 05:19 PM
Precisely
its 2009 ffs
We ban the use if racist language but happily condone and encourage an action that kills people slowly.
a_2009
16-07-2009, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by davidalbert
It really is time BB did away with Smoking Corner completely, certainly for BB11.................although I would abolish it next week.............
Smoking Corner allows housemates like Lisa to create a bolt hole apart from the main group...........
also I bet anything American BB doesnt have a smoking corner by now......the UK hangs on to something that is outmoded......
Smoking corner must go.....................housemates must not have priveliged bolt holes..............
Whether there was a smoking corner or not wouldn't make much of a difference. Smokers will tend to congregate together in a group, designated area or not.
davidalbert
16-07-2009, 05:25 PM
.......they could still have an area where individuals could go...on their own only........one at a time only.........just not a communal area...or , even better, they could be BRAVE from next year and say only non-smokers to audition...that would get the nation fit! te he.....
isleofweather...good point about racist language........p.c. for one thing but not another.........
Iceman
16-07-2009, 05:25 PM
Smokers will always group together, they are hardly going to stand away from each other when smoking...
davidalbert
16-07-2009, 05:32 PM
...yes but it excludes the majority of non smokers who dont want to stand there and inhale someone elses dangerous detritus.......
a_2009
16-07-2009, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by davidalbert
.......they could still have an area where individuals could go...on their own only........one at a time only.........just not a communal area...or , even better, they could be BRAVE from next year and say only non-smokers to audition...that would get the nation fit! te he.....
isleofweather...good point about racist language........p.c. for one thing but not another.........
Ironically you refer to the racism and yet promote discrimination against smokers.....lets use a bit of common sense here ay
davidalbert
16-07-2009, 05:34 PM
...a.2009....Society in the Western World now discriminates in this way...racism bad, smoking bad........go to America, they are much harsher than we are..........
President
16-07-2009, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Matt
The only problem is that, thanks to the UK smoking ban, they're required to have a designated outdoor smoking area (though I don't see why they can't just allow them to smoke anywhere as long as it is outdoors).
So they're not allowed to smoke anywhere else in the garden? Why not? It's outside!
moveupandon
16-07-2009, 05:35 PM
i hate people who go around saying people haven't got the right to smoke!
who are you to say that you pc nazi?
why can't individuals be free to do what they want?
are you are dictator or something?
i don't smoke often, but when i have a drink sometimes i want one!
will you ban alcohol next? or is that your right?
Iceman
16-07-2009, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by davidalbert
...yes but it excludes the majority of non smokers who dont want to stand there and inhale someone elses dangerous detritus.......
So that's there problem, people gave out about inhaling smoke indoors hence the smoking ban, now you dont want them to smoke outdoors either?:conf:
Originally posted by moveupandon
i hate people who go around saying people haven't got the right to smoke!
who are you to say that you pc nazi?
why can't individuals be free to do what they want?
are you are dictator or something?
i don't smoke often, but when i have a drink sometimes i want one!
will you ban alcohol next? or is that your right?
:thumbs: i agree with everything you say, especially the pc nazi part. they make me sick.
a_2009
16-07-2009, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by davidalbert
...a.2009....Society in the Western World now discriminates in this way...racism bad, smoking bad........go to America, they are much harsher than we are..........
So lets join the masses because that makes discrimination ok. Bringing another country in to back up your disciminatory comments don't really do you any favours....you are responsible for your beliefs and the words which come out of your mouth...no one else!!
TheOfficialAdam
16-07-2009, 05:44 PM
I hate watching lisa and karly smoke. Its all they do all day long
IsleOfWeather
16-07-2009, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by a_2009
Originally posted by davidalbert
.......they could still have an area where individuals could go...on their own only........one at a time only.........just not a communal area...or , even better, they could be BRAVE from next year and say only non-smokers to audition...that would get the nation fit! te he.....
isleofweather...good point about racist language........p.c. for one thing but not another.........
Ironically you refer to the racism and yet promote discrimination against smokers.....lets use a bit of common sense here ay
smoking causes cancer, no ifs or but(t)s - idiots who smoke are a drain on the NHS. We dont show smoking in advertising and we should not allow it on BB.
People who smoke are addicted to a drug called nicotine and do not act rationally and need to be forced and discriminated against
davidalbert
16-07-2009, 05:47 PM
......BB is a communal experience......smoking corner panders to a clique.......
Iceman
16-07-2009, 05:47 PM
^^are you serious??
IsleOfWeather
16-07-2009, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by wannashag
Originally posted by moveupandon
i hate people who go around saying people haven't got the right to smoke!
who are you to say that you pc nazi?
why can't individuals be free to do what they want?
are you are dictator or something?
i don't smoke often, but when i have a drink sometimes i want one!
will you ban alcohol next? or is that your right?
:thumbs: i agree with everything you say, especially the pc nazi part. they make me sick.
I suspect you feel the same way about Heroin addicts too?
HELLIWONTGO
16-07-2009, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by moveupandon
i hate people who go around saying people haven't got the right to smoke!
who are you to say that you pc nazi?
why can't individuals be free to do what they want?
are you are dictator or something?
i don't smoke often, but when i have a drink sometimes i want one!
will you ban alcohol next? or is that your right?
Well said, you got to it before I could, but people who call for a ban on things, never have the intelligence to see where it will lead to!
IsleOfWeather
16-07-2009, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by Iceman
^^are you serious??
you cant be with that signature
IsleOfWeather
16-07-2009, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by HELLIWONTGO
Originally posted by moveupandon
i hate people who go around saying people haven't got the right to smoke!
who are you to say that you pc nazi?
why can't individuals be free to do what they want?
are you are dictator or something?
i don't smoke often, but when i have a drink sometimes i want one!
will you ban alcohol next? or is that your right?
Well said, you got to it before I could, but people who call for a ban on things, never have the intelligence to see where it will lead to!
yes, the reduction of lung cancer and heart attacks would be a bummer
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
Originally posted by wannashag
Originally posted by moveupandon
i hate people who go around saying people haven't got the right to smoke!
who are you to say that you pc nazi?
why can't individuals be free to do what they want?
are you are dictator or something?
i don't smoke often, but when i have a drink sometimes i want one!
will you ban alcohol next? or is that your right?
:thumbs: i agree with everything you say, especially the pc nazi part. they make me sick.
I suspect you feel the same way about Heroin addicts too?
your just being silly now
Iceman
16-07-2009, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
Originally posted by Iceman
^^are you serious??
you cant be with that signature
Do you know how much money governments make of cigarettes?
Stay on topic.
a_2009
16-07-2009, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
smoking causes cancer, no ifs or but(t)s - idiots who smoke are a drain on the NHS. We dont show smoking in advertising and we should not allow it on BB.
People who smoke are addicted to a drug called nicotine and do not act rationally and need to be forced and discriminated against
See if you're going to adopt a patronising approach it helps if there's some intelligent thought behind what you're saying.
Yes as a former smoker i'm well aware of the facts and that nicotine is as addictive as heroin, then there is breaking the actual habbit of 'oh i've just had a meal...time for a smoke'.
Alcohol is a massive drain on the nhs, so do we discriminate against drinkers, obesity is a drain on the nhs....do we ban all fast food and discriminate against people who are overweight to make them lose it.....
Whilst nicotine is a drug...and can lead an individually to get a bit narky when they haven't had a smoke and the nicotine levels decrease it you're still completely conscious and aware of your behaviour.
I can't stand the smell of smoke now, I'd encourage any mates who were thinking of quiting to quit. But i also respect the rights of those who choose to smoke and am strongly opposed to discrimination and the social exclusion of individuals
davidalbert
16-07-2009, 06:01 PM
....a heroin addict wouldnt get into the house..........
for me its not so much the health issue as the fact that smoking corner creates an artificial island within the BB house
davidalbert
16-07-2009, 06:06 PM
.......also Smoking Corner is a fashion faux pas..that red seat and bin is just too camp..like something out of Boy George's bedroom.......te he :joker:
IsleOfWeather
16-07-2009, 06:07 PM
without bans and discrimination we would still have to endure travel, clubs, pubs, waiting rooms etc stinking from the toxic fumes of those people who have the "freedom" to smoke
get real folks
in 20 year smoking will be banned outright and we will look on it with the same disgust as we do on the charming Victorian habit of emptying your bedpan out the window and onto the street
Iceman
16-07-2009, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
without bans and discrimination we would still have to endure travel, clubs, pubs, waiting rooms etc stinking from the toxic fumes of those people who have the "freedom" to smoke
get real folks
in 20 year smoking will be banned outright and we will look on it with the same disgust as we do on the charming Victorian habit of emptying your bedpan out the window and onto the street
in 20 years time i plan on being dead from smokinf too much, seriously the amount of money cigarettes make for governments etc. It just wont happen in my opinion.
RCW1945
16-07-2009, 06:12 PM
"The only problem is that, thanks to the UK smoking ban, they're required to have a designated outdoor smoking area "
Not true, the law refers only to places where you can't smoke, no mention of where you can.
Smokers die younger, therefore require fewer health services and pension payments. The taxes they pay are a bonus for all the non-smokers.
HELLIWONTGO
16-07-2009, 06:14 PM
There are certain people on these forums that are just not worth replying to! Pc Nazi sums it up about right for me!
davidalbert
16-07-2009, 06:17 PM
Oh dear...........calling others Nazi just reveals the swaztika in one's own soul
StGeorge
16-07-2009, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by HELLIWONTGO
Originally posted by moveupandon
i hate people who go around saying people haven't got the right to smoke!
who are you to say that you pc nazi?
why can't individuals be free to do what they want?
are you are dictator or something?
i don't smoke often, but when i have a drink sometimes i want one!
will you ban alcohol next? or is that your right?
Well said, you got to it before I could, but people who call for a ban on things, never have the intelligence to see where it will lead to!
Smoking itself has not been banned. But smoking in the airspace of others who do not wish to inhale smoke has.
To those that say they have a right to smoke anywhere..i say this:
You smoke..the product of this is smoke which you say you have a right to breathe out onto me.
I drink..the product of which is urine. Is it ok if i piss on your head.:joker:
davidalbert
16-07-2009, 06:20 PM
...anyway....doing away with smoking corner is about deconstructing a TV House......not a person...
ClaretandBlue
16-07-2009, 06:23 PM
BB is a microcosm of society. Until they ban smoking in the UK outright, I don't see a problem allowing it. Just my opinions.
As for BBUSA, smoking is still allowed (though they seem to avoid showing it when possible). Though I can tell you, in the US there are very few states here that still allow indoor smoking (bars, clubs, etc..) and in some states smoking (outside) on public property is forbidden.
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
without bans and discrimination we would still have to endure travel, clubs, pubs, waiting rooms etc stinking from the toxic fumes of those people who have the "freedom" to smoke
get real folks
in 20 year smoking will be banned outright and we will look on it with the same disgust as we do on the charming Victorian habit of emptying your bedpan out the window and onto the street
so what's your view on motor vehicle's? which also pollute the air with toxic fumes and are also death traps. or trains for that matter.
do you also believe these should be prohibited?
bring back the horse and cart
a_2009
16-07-2009, 06:33 PM
If the point is purely about smoking creating an 'artificial island', people will naturally put themselves in to groups over things where they find common ground. The smoking area just creates another scenario where people may bond over common ground i.e. smoking.
It's also interesting how you talk about the deconstruction of the house....in previous years BB has actively divided the house in to rich and poor (i.e. last year with the bedrooms) they did it this year with those who had housemate status and those who didn't which imediately created groups......just human nature mate.
Blasphemer
16-07-2009, 07:07 PM
I like the way that smokers refer to their "right" to smoke. There is no such thing as a "right" to take a drug.
As for discrimination, when it comes to overweight people it is almost encouraged to insult and berate them as the right thing to do to "encourage" them to lose weight. I have no problem with anyone smoking around me anywhere, my missus is a smoker and, although I would encourage her to quit, that has to be her decision.
I don't agree with the nanny state, and legislation stating how people live their lives. But people have to understand that they don't have a god given right to do anything that they like, if what they do has a detrimental effect on other people's lives.
bansheewails
16-07-2009, 07:10 PM
*puts out her fag before replying*
If you ban the smoking area there would be carnage in the house! Also Ofcom is busy enough with out involving the PC brigade! Leave us smokers to die in peace!
:whistle:
Zphod
16-07-2009, 07:12 PM
haha i love these people who think their going to die of second hand smoke coz their walking past a smoker on the street
i have been beaten up and bottled many times walking home from town because of drunk wankers. why dont we ban alcohol den?
im betting the social costs of alcohol FAR outweigh that of smoking. think about it. unprovoked attacks, A&E fill ups, drunk drivers, divorce, beating the **** out of your wife, your kids, your dog, kicking in windows
last time I checked, a malboro does not make you do these things. but drink can.
Originally posted by bansheewails
*puts out her fag before replying*
If you ban the smoking area there would be carnage in the house! Also Ofcom is busy enough with out involving the PC brigade! Leave us smokers to die in peace!
:whistle:
amen to that
McNab
16-07-2009, 07:42 PM
I feel alcohol is by far 100 times worse than Smoking. If drink was consumed as regularly as smokers smoke it would be just as bad if not worse for u than smoking.
Plus how many crimes are commited due to excessive cigarette abuse. But i don't see people fighting against alcohol as much as smoking no do i ****. Reason being its not advertisted in the same light as smokin is.
a_2009
16-07-2009, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by Blasphemer
I like the way that smokers refer to their "right" to smoke. There is no such thing as a "right" to take a drug.
As for discrimination, when it comes to overweight people it is almost encouraged to insult and berate them as the right thing to do to "encourage" them to lose weight. I have no problem with anyone smoking around me anywhere, my missus is a smoker and, although I would encourage her to quit, that has to be her decision.
I don't agree with the nanny state, and legislation stating how people live their lives. But people have to understand that they don't have a god given right to do anything that they like, if what they do has a detrimental effect on other people's lives.
Well the whole idea of a democratic society is that people have a 'right' to choose, in my previous post when i refered to the smokers 'rights'....it was in reference to their right of 'choosing' to smoke.
Whilst the tabloid media may take to insulting people who are overweight, It's not something i personally agree, but at the end of the day I can only justify my own thoughts and behaviour.
I think it's great that smoking has been banned in bars, on public transport etc etc with regards to those who don't smoke not having to suffer the effects of passive smoking. Before none smokers didn't have a choice about whether they inhaled the smoke, with the public bans and smokers tending to congregate in one area we have the choice as to whether we stand next to people who are smoking.
People constantly act in ways which could be detrimental to others lives e.g. wreckless driving, binge drinking and the aftermath, so where do we draw the line......other than to bring in a nanny state which to an extent we seem to be already moving towards
I'm surprised it's taken 6 weeks for someone to come up with this topic. It happens every year.
Probably, OP, you'd like BB to stop supplying them with junk food for treats and make sure they live on a healthy diet. They could totally ban drink too then they could all have a good sleep EVERY night before we start watching.
jtalh2003
16-07-2009, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
Originally posted by a_2009
Originally posted by davidalbert
.......they could still have an area where individuals could go...on their own only........one at a time only.........just not a communal area...or , even better, they could be BRAVE from next year and say only non-smokers to audition...that would get the nation fit! te he.....
isleofweather...good point about racist language........p.c. for one thing but not another.........
Ironically you refer to the racism and yet promote discrimination against smokers.....lets use a bit of common sense here ay
smoking causes cancer, no ifs or but(t)s - idiots who smoke are a drain on the NHS. We dont show smoking in advertising and we should not allow it on BB.
People who smoke are addicted to a drug called nicotine and do not act rationally and need to be forced and discriminated against
what a load of crap about smokers are a drain on the nhs lol
they put a lot more in to the nhs than you do and if smoking was banned tomorrow i would love to see your face when you see how much more tax you will be paying
*EDIT*
and while i am here a non smoker puts more of a drain on the nhs than a smoker for the simple reason they live longer on average
moveupandon
16-07-2009, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by StGeorge
Originally posted by HELLIWONTGO
Originally posted by moveupandon
i hate people who go around saying people haven't got the right to smoke!
who are you to say that you pc nazi?
why can't individuals be free to do what they want?
are you are dictator or something?
i don't smoke often, but when i have a drink sometimes i want one!
will you ban alcohol next? or is that your right?
Well said, you got to it before I could, but people who call for a ban on things, never have the intelligence to see where it will lead to!
Smoking itself has not been banned. But smoking in the airspace of others who do not wish to inhale smoke has.
To those that say they have a right to smoke anywhere..i say this:
You smoke..the product of this is smoke which you say you have a right to breathe out onto me.
I drink..the product of which is urine. Is it ok if i p**s on your head.:joker:
well don't walk down the road where people drive.
don't wear clothes made in factories.
wow! your wit well stumped me.
smoking outside... oh no! let's bad it!
ban everything!
ban your computer for the articifical products its made off!
just get some perspective pc nazi!
hannah.
16-07-2009, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by davidalbert
....a heroin addict wouldnt get into the house..........
for me its not so much the health issue as the fact that smoking corner creates an artificial island within the BB house
which also happens in normal life? I'm a smoker and I'm much closer to my friends at work who smoke, because we all go out FOR A FAG together. BB is supposed to be a 'social experiment', not a bloody dictatorship
Fangz
16-07-2009, 10:31 PM
The smokers would still congregate together to smoke, cos who wants to puff away by themselves when they can have a gossip instead? Our smoking shelter at work is unusable because it keeps getting hit by cars and vandalised but we all still group together.
andynsteve
16-07-2009, 10:41 PM
oooo always love a smoking discussuion...if we were in the house we'd smoke anywhere outside as its in the open....
and agree all this hate towards cigarettes and bans etc and nowt is done with alcohol which destroyes ur liver and causes aggression amongst sum ppl...it causing dring driving and violence = death.... yey smoking has resttictions...so annoying
bb gives the hm parties with booze etc and with that they sld also give em cigarettes.....
Its a work plae they could ban smoking
bansheewails
16-07-2009, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by mtt
Its a work plae they could ban smoking
Its outside, they can't!
davidalbert
17-07-2009, 01:02 PM
I actually was only referring to what goes on inside the BB house..........
Chuckyegg
17-07-2009, 02:12 PM
Anti smoking fascists!!!!
HayleyLeigh
17-07-2009, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by davidalbert
...yes but it excludes the majority of non smokers who dont want to stand there and inhale someone elses dangerous detritus.......
yes but thats there choice. just like some people choose to smoke. its not like there refused entry, they simply choose not to sit there when they are smoking.
Chuckyegg
17-07-2009, 02:34 PM
Alcohol is a big killer too. ban it, ban it, ban it. ban fatty foods. no jumping on the furniture please. no raised voices.
Cybele
17-07-2009, 02:43 PM
1. To the OP, I haven't watched any episodes from the new season yet (though I have been recording them), but I'm pretty sure that last season they had a "smokers corner". Not sure if it was specifically designated as that or if it was just where the smokers went when they needed their fix. (edited to add: I'm talking about BBUSA)
2. To the person who mentioned the Victorian custom of emptying bedpans out the window... Dude... check your facts. :) That is really not true of the Victorians. Of earlier periods, yes. Victorians, no.
3. I highly doubt BB gives a rat's @ss about health and safety. They just want people to watch the show. Having a place where people can easily form a clique to the exclusion of others suits their plans just fine. I don't see it disappearing any time soon.
If they really cared about health and safety, they would ban alcohol. The UK is one of the countries with the fastest growing rate of alcoholism in the world. And the group which is growing the fastest is women in their 20s.
moveupandon
17-07-2009, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by Chuckyegg
Alcohol is a big killer too. ban it, ban it, ban it. ban fatty foods. no jumping on the furniture please. no raised voices.
i know! what a complete tardo op is!
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