There are lots of Muslims like Hira. Clockers a Muslim too, well kind of!

[Clockers]

I am not sure many of you people know this, but I am Muslim, but many people would never consider me to be one. I am more Muslim by name than nature and no one really batters an eyelid if I wanna get pisssed or have one night stand or even eat a bacon buttie, not forgetting the poker either.

At the same time, I consider myself so broadminded about certain things, like equal rights for all races genders and sexuality that I sometimes feel more Muslim than people who consider themselves to be strict followers of Islam.

I have allot of debates with Muslims regarding Islamic issues and we all have our own interpretations.

There are allot of girls in my ethnic community like Hira, westernised but still holding on to traditional beliefs. It common occurance, we are all not Quran bashing, fear mongering fanatics. Many Muslims just live their daily lives and not be concerned about other forms of Islam but their own.

So is Hira a strict Muslim girl, I would say "Hell Yeah!"

Sorry for the long essay, I could not shorten it.

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[a_2009]

Fair play to you :thumbs:

[Iceman]

Originally posted by *************
you are not a muslim.....if you are not even following the most basic of requirements then why even call yourself a muslim..

Oh god, here we go again.

[kisywisy]

great to hear!!

people like ************* give muslim's a bad name.

[King Gizzard]

And I don't see why this is in this section

itll be moved no doubt

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[Clockers]

Originally posted by *************
you are not a muslim.....if you are not even following the most basic of requirements then why even call yourself a muslim..


I was born Muslim mate, but there nothing worse than someone going ape about relgion.

Did you know 2 or 3 years ago Miss United Kingdom was a Muslim.

There are more disgraceful Muslims than people like Hira.

[dennissabre]

Well whilst we're being honest,i'm a woman.

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[kisywisy]

Originally posted by *************
you are not a muslim.....if you are not even following the most basic of requirements then why even call yourself a muslim..

you obviously hate the western way of life. it's not just hira that you call a ***** for the way she dresses.

you need to understand that this country, as a whole, doesn't follow your fanatical view of your religion

[Iceman]

Originally posted by *************
Originally posted by kisywisy
great to hear!!

people like ************* give muslim's a bad name.


actually people who drink, **** and eat bacon butties then claim to be 'muslim' do that but u wouldnt understand

There has been 2 threads now locked on this, clockers trying to put a point across that there are thousands of muslim who are not strictly abiding by the religion and good for them, nobody should be completely controlled by religion.

[Iceman]

Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by *************
you are not a muslim.....if you are not even following the most basic of requirements then why even call yourself a muslim..

you obviously hate the western way of life. it's not just hira that you call a ***** for the way she dresses.

you need to understand that this country, as a whole, doesn't follow your fanatical view of your religion

I'd agree with that and add that most countries in the EU are like that, it's the same here in Ireland.

[a_2009]

But who are you to tell someone what they believe, you know nothing about clockers or his/her lifestyle...and yet your passing judgement - is that a muslim thing to do?

[King Gizzard]

Does Islam involve swearing? cause you obviously love it

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[Clockers]

Originally posted by *************
Originally posted by Clockers
Originally posted by *************
you are not a muslim.....if you are not even following the most basic of requirements then why even call yourself a muslim..


I was born Muslim mate, but there nothing worse than someone going ape about relgion.

Did you know 2 or 3 years ago Miss United Kingdom was a Muslim.

There are more disgraceful Muslims than people like Hira.

no your getting confused between people such as yourself who claim to be muslim then dont abide by any of the religion...

so your not a muslim despite all your claims..

Well isnt Islam a tolerant peaceful relgion?

You are neither being peaceful or tolerant, and even though I dont practice Islam, I hate seeing it practiced by people who are hot headed and fanatical. I have always tried to make people understand that their is nothing wrong with the relgion, it just a few people within the relgion have something wrong with them.

[dennissabre]

Good news everyone. I found my slippers. I forgot i put them on earlier.

Thanks :thumbs:

[kisywisy]

would be interesting to know what topspin thinks should be done to people like hira

do you suggest stoning her??

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[Iceman]

Originally posted by *************
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by *************
you are not a muslim.....if you are not even following the most basic of requirements then why even call yourself a muslim..

you obviously hate the western way of life. it's not just hira that you call a ***** for the way she dresses.

you need to understand that this country, as a whole, doesn't follow your fanatical view of your religion

ah the old ' hate our western way of life'

go **** yourself you nonsensical cow

you know nothing about my religion or culture...

you stick to your pre marital sex, alcohol and meaningless way of life

Get a grip and stop attacking people for putting something out there about themselves.

[Clockers]

Originally posted by Iceman
Originally posted by *************
Originally posted by kisywisy
great to hear!!

people like ************* give muslim's a bad name.


actually people who drink, **** and eat bacon butties then claim to be 'muslim' do that but u wouldnt understand

There has been 2 threads now locked on this, clockers trying to put a point across that there are thousands of muslim who are not strictly abiding by the religion and good for them, nobody should be completely controlled by religion.

What I am also trying to put across is being a strict muslim is also a frame of mind. Nothing wrong with how Hira dresses or behave, she is still as Muslim as a lady covered head to toe.

[Enid]

*************, you are an absolute disgrace. You know nothing about the girl, yet you call her a slut because she is dressed in feminine clothing. If all "true muslims" are like yourself then you can all do me the favour of removing yourselves.

Religion is a ****ing dictatorship.

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[a_2009]

Originally posted by *************
Originally posted by Hewman
Does Islam involve swearing? cause you obviously love it

no it dosent..and i shouldnt be swearing but hira has really annoyed me as has people eating not following islam then claiming to be muslim..like hira and clockers

What impact do their actions really have on you....

I like woman...does that mean lisa going in to the house represents me....no......

Each to their own!!

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by *************
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by *************
you are not a muslim.....if you are not even following the most basic of requirements then why even call yourself a muslim..

you obviously hate the western way of life. it's not just hira that you call a ***** for the way she dresses.

you need to understand that this country, as a whole, doesn't follow your fanatical view of your religion

ah the old ' hate our western way of life'

go **** yourself you nonsensical cow

you know nothing about my religion or culture...

you stick to your pre marital sex, alcohol and meaningless way of life

but you clearly hate non-muslims and women and muslims that don't follow the religion to the letter.

the way you're going on, i wouldn't be suprised to see you in the news....

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[Bella~]

Religion is personal and you should not be imposing your own beliefs upon others or judging people based on how they practice their beliefs. The problem isn't with Hira, but it's with you.

[fallentree]

Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by *************
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by *************
you are not a muslim.....if you are not even following the most basic of requirements then why even call yourself a muslim..

you obviously hate the western way of life. it's not just hira that you call a ***** for the way she dresses.

you need to understand that this country, as a whole, doesn't follow your fanatical view of your religion

ah the old ' hate our western way of life'

go **** yourself you nonsensical cow

you know nothing about my religion or culture...

you stick to your pre marital sex, alcohol and meaningless way of life

but you clearly hate non-muslims and women and muslims that don't follow the religion to the letter.

the way you're going on, i wouldn't be suprised to see you in the news....

when did i say i hate non muslims , your just a racist little cow

what newspaper do you read?

you sound like a right chav

[Iceman]

Originally posted by Clockers
Originally posted by Iceman
Originally posted by *************
Originally posted by kisywisy
great to hear!!

people like ************* give muslim's a bad name.


actually people who drink, **** and eat bacon butties then claim to be 'muslim' do that but u wouldnt understand

There has been 2 threads now locked on this, clockers trying to put a point across that there are thousands of muslim who are not strictly abiding by the religion and good for them, nobody should be completely controlled by religion.

What I am also trying to put across is being a strict muslim is also a frame of mind. Nothing wrong with how Hira dresses or behave, she is still as Muslim as a lady covered head to toe.

Oh I know that Clockers, I agree with you, this person has a hot head and can't handle this.

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by *************
Originally posted by Hewman
Does Islam involve swearing? cause you obviously love it

no it dosent..and i shouldnt be swearing but hira has really annoyed me as has people eating not following islam then claiming to be muslim..like hira and clockers

you're a BASTARD!!!! YOU SHOULDN'T BE SWEARING!! HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELF A MUSLIM WHEN YOU SWEAR?!?!!

see how pathetic that sounds???

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[Iceman]

Originally posted by *************
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by *************
Originally posted by Hewman
Does Islam involve swearing? cause you obviously love it

no it dosent..and i shouldnt be swearing but hira has really annoyed me as has people eating not following islam then claiming to be muslim..like hira and clockers

you're a b******!!!! YOU SHOULDN'T BE SWEARING!! HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELF A MUSLIM WHEN YOU SWEAR?!?!!

see how pathetic that sounds???

you know nothing about it so kindly **** off back to your sinful life..

eh it's a forum you nut, dont call people racist and then try and attack other girls.

[Clockers]

Originally posted by *************
Originally posted by Clockers
Originally posted by Iceman
Originally posted by *************
Originally posted by kisywisy
great to hear!!

people like ************* give muslim's a bad name.


actually people who drink, **** and eat bacon butties then claim to be 'muslim' do that but u wouldnt understand

There has been 2 threads now locked on this, clockers trying to put a point across that there are thousands of muslim who are not strictly abiding by the religion and good for them, nobody should be completely controlled by religion.



What I am also trying to put across is being a strict muslim is also a frame of mind. Nothing wrong with how Hira dresses or behave, she is still as Muslim as a lady covered head to toe.


what would you know about it?!?

with your premarital sex, bacon, beer and poker

I know but I choose not to follow, and if you were true to Islam you would not be letting your heart rule your head spilling out profanity after profanity.

Once again, you have not battered an eyelid regarding Siavash and he is also Muslim. He drinks and smokes and has had sex before marraige, only when a muslim girl comes into the house you decide to make an issue.

[PaulyJ]

Arr come on Topspin your not a Muslim are you, this is just a character you have imagined to fulfill your desire for attention right?


Someone ask him something a good Muslim would know he's faker than a hot icecream

[Enid]

Lol "sinful life"

How more closed-minded can someone be?

Yeah I'll stick to my pre-marital sex (even though I might not even get married), and booze, and drugs, because you know what? IT'S FUN. I LIKE HAVING FUN.

I'm sure it's more fun than praying five times a day and making sure every inch of my flesh is covered, because oh no, if I reveal my ankle, that makes me a slut!

[kisywisy]

lol this guy is a toal waste of space

i hope he gets banned for good this time

[andyman]

Topsin is a very very angry boy..

[Iceman]

He sounds to me like a very strict muslim, I dont know enough about the religion to say he is but, he has it in for Muslim women in my opinion, actually al in general by the sounds of it.

[Enid]

Just another religious nut trying to enforce their "rules" upon people. FÚCK THEM! We should live our life the way WE want to. :mad:

[Iceman]

Originally posted by Enid
Lol "sinful life"

How more closed-minded can someone be?

Yeah I'll stick to my pre-marital sex (even though I might not even get married), and booze, and drugs, because you know what? IT'S FUN. I LIKE HAVING FUN.

I'm sure it's more fun than praying five times a day and making sure every inch of my flesh is covered, because oh no, if I reveal my ankle, that makes me a slut!

Perfectly said, this should be end of topic post.

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by Enid
Lol "sinful life"

How more closed-minded can someone be?

Yeah I'll stick to my pre-marital sex (even though I might not even get married), and booze, and drugs, because you know what? IT'S FUN. I LIKE HAVING FUN.

I'm sure it's more fun than praying five times a day and making sure every inch of my flesh is covered, because oh no, if I reveal my ankle, that makes me a slut!

lol

i can't be sinful, coz i have no religion, so nothing i do is a sin for me!!

religion is a way of controlling the masses and i will not be controlled. but i've got enough respect to not disrespect other people's religions

[Shasown]

I lead a good life, thats all that I can do, I follow my religion to the best of my abilities and strengths, its all thats expected of me.

In my humble opinion the best muslims are the ones who show the islamic religion to the rest of the world in a good light, that is as far as I am concerned the best way to portray any religion.

[a_2009]

Originally posted by *************

when did i say i hate non muslims , your just a racist little cow

what newspaper do you read?

you sound like a right chav


ah the old ' hate our western way of life'

go **** yourself you nonsensical cow

you know nothing about my religion or culture...

you stick to your pre marital sex, alcohol and meaningless way of life

The last sentence was a clear condemnation of non muslims, insinuating your way of life is somehow superior.

If you could discuss your point in a more rational manner about what you dislike about Hira...fair enough....but to be so abbusive is just uncalled for. people on here have merely questions your views....you have chosed to respond in a an agressive manner......or maybe you just don't have the self awareness to see what's blatantly obvious to everyone in in your hypocrisy!!!!!!!!

[Clockers]

Originally posted by Enid
Lol "sinful life"

How more closed-minded can someone be?

Yeah I'll stick to my pre-marital sex (even though I might not even get married), and booze, and drugs, because you know what? IT'S FUN. I LIKE HAVING FUN.

I'm sure it's more fun than praying five times a day and making sure every inch of my flesh is covered, because oh no, if I reveal my ankle, that makes me a slut!

Nothing wrong in praying 5 times a day, it is a disciplined way of life. Just that I dont have the discipline to do it.

Those who do follow the Quran without being a hot headed fanatic have fantastic tempermant and live in a very co-ordinated way of life I could only dream about. As I said before, there is nothing wrong with the relgion but the people within the relgion.

[andyman]

Topsipn is not a muslim... If he is then that is a worry, he seems to hate women and is very angry..

[Iceman]

Funny that he's banging on aout religion but disrespects Atheists...

[Enid]

Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by Enid
Lol "sinful life"

How more closed-minded can someone be?

Yeah I'll stick to my pre-marital sex (even though I might not even get married), and booze, and drugs, because you know what? IT'S FUN. I LIKE HAVING FUN.

I'm sure it's more fun than praying five times a day and making sure every inch of my flesh is covered, because oh no, if I reveal my ankle, that makes me a slut!

lol

i can't be sinful, coz i have no religion, so nothing i do is a sin for me!!

religion is a way of controlling the masses and i will not be controlled. but i've got enough respect to not disrespect other people's religions
I can respect religion and religious people as long as they do not dictate my life and how I live it. They have no right to say what I do is right or wrong, because I am not religious. I do not follow a set of rule or guidelines. What kinda life is that? A sheltered one, I'd say.

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by Enid
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by Enid
Lol "sinful life"

How more closed-minded can someone be?

Yeah I'll stick to my pre-marital sex (even though I might not even get married), and booze, and drugs, because you know what? IT'S FUN. I LIKE HAVING FUN.

I'm sure it's more fun than praying five times a day and making sure every inch of my flesh is covered, because oh no, if I reveal my ankle, that makes me a slut!

lol

i can't be sinful, coz i have no religion, so nothing i do is a sin for me!!

religion is a way of controlling the masses and i will not be controlled. but i've got enough respect to not disrespect other people's religions
I can respect religion and religious people as long as they do not dictate my life and how I live it. They have no right to say what I do is right or wrong, because I am not religious. I do not follow a set of rule or guidelines. What kinda life is that? A sheltered one, I'd say.

i've just re read my post

i wasn't having a dig at you!! it was a dig at topspin for being disrespectful:flowers:

[BB_Eye]

Arguing with topspin is essentially a waste of time.

[Shasown]

Isnt religion great apparently its caused more wars than anything else.

If only people followed one simple belief, respect others and allow them to live their life the way they want to, so long as it doesnt hurt others.

[andyman]

Which branch of Islam does topsin follow if he is muslim?

[Enid]

Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by Enid
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by Enid
Lol "sinful life"

How more closed-minded can someone be?

Yeah I'll stick to my pre-marital sex (even though I might not even get married), and booze, and drugs, because you know what? IT'S FUN. I LIKE HAVING FUN.

I'm sure it's more fun than praying five times a day and making sure every inch of my flesh is covered, because oh no, if I reveal my ankle, that makes me a slut!

lol

i can't be sinful, coz i have no religion, so nothing i do is a sin for me!!

religion is a way of controlling the masses and i will not be controlled. but i've got enough respect to not disrespect other people's religions
I can respect religion and religious people as long as they do not dictate my life and how I live it. They have no right to say what I do is right or wrong, because I am not religious. I do not follow a set of rule or guidelines. What kinda life is that? A sheltered one, I'd say.

i've just re read my post

i wasn't having a dig at you!! it was a dig at topspin for being disrespectful:flowers:
Haha it's cool. No worries. I get quite passionate about religious extremists, being an atheist myself. :blush2:

[a_2009]

Originally posted by andyman
Which branch of Islam does topsin follow if he is muslim?

One which straps explosives to themselves......or is that a bit underhand :wink:

[Clockers]

Originally posted by Shasown
Isnt religion great apparently its caused more wars than anything else.

If only people followed one simple belief, respect others and allow them to live their life the way they want to, so long as it doesnt hurt others.

Could not put it better myself. :thumbs:

[dennissabre]

So Tops gets banned for this thread and yet it is ok to be left open.

How does that work?

[Enid]

Originally posted by Shasown
Isnt religion great apparently its caused more wars than anything else.

If only people followed one simple belief, respect others and allow them to live their life the way they want to, so long as it doesnt hurt others.
Amen. (lolol)

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by Enid

Haha it's cool. No worries. I get quite passionate about religious extremists, being an atheist myself. :blush2:

me too. doesn't matter what religion it is. i don't want someone trying to impose their beliefs on me

i'm all up for discussion, but people like him just wind me up

[ange7]

Originally posted by dennissabre
So Tops gets banned for this thread and yet it is ok to be left open.

How does that work?
one goose failing at faking being muslim to try to start some religious hate doesn't warrent the op's threads being locked.

[Iceman]

Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by Enid

Haha it's cool. No worries. I get quite passionate about religious extremists, being an atheist myself. :blush2:

me too. doesn't matter what religion it is. i don't want someone trying to impose their beliefs on me

i'm all up for discussion, but people like him just wind me up

I think he just wants to wind people up, I mean calling someone a racist little cow, how can he justify that on 2 or 3 posts. Not that it's justafiable...

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by dennissabre
So Tops gets banned for this thread and yet it is ok to be left open.

How does that work?

He was the only offensive thing in it, maybe

[Clockers]

Originally posted by dennissabre
So Tops gets banned for this thread and yet it is ok to be left open.

How does that work?

Topspin should not be banned, just want him to understand he should not be over zealous regarding his statements. Even though Hira not the sharpest tool in the box, it good that Muslim women can be represented by girls who are not your sterotypical hijab wearing girls.

[Shasown]

Maybe he was banned for his hate filled attacks in other threads?

[ange7]

Originally posted by Enid
Originally posted by Shasown
Isnt religion great apparently its caused more wars than anything else.

If only people followed one simple belief, respect others and allow them to live their life the way they want to, so long as it doesnt hurt others.
Amen. (lolol)
wrong....
lots of people have lots of agendas and some try to hide it in the repectability of religion. It isn't the fault of religion that it gets hijacked. Have a think ffs.

[BBUK4LYFE]

I have a question for *************.

Aren't you sinning when you curse and call women *****s and sluts?

[dennissabre]

I've never had so many replies.

Thanks

[ange7]

Originally posted by dennissabre
I've never had so many replies.

Thanks
hehe

[Clockers]

Said it before and I say it again, it peoples own interpretations of relgion that causes all this aggro, not the religon itself. Still I know what Shasown was getting at.

[Iceman]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
I have a question for *************.

Aren't you sinning when you curse and call women *****s and sluts?

He's banned though so he cant answer lol

[PaulyJ]

Religion gives you a belief in something bigger than yourself, this is it's main strength and it's biggest weakness.



If you believe in something higher than humanity, i.e God, you can quite easily set off on a path which, may lead you to the destruction of humanity.

[a_2009]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Enid
Originally posted by Shasown
Isnt religion great apparently its caused more wars than anything else.

If only people followed one simple belief, respect others and allow them to live their life the way they want to, so long as it doesnt hurt others.
Amen. (lolol)
wrong....
lots of people have lots of agendas and some try to hide it in the repectability of religion. It isn't the fault of religion that it gets hijacked. Have a think ffs.

Fair point....but at the same time:

The Muslim conquests, french wars of religion, the crusades and the reconquista are a few historical examples of wars caused by religion.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by ange7

wrong....
lots of people have lots of agendas and some try to hide it in the repectability of religion. It isn't the fault of religion that it gets hijacked. Have a think ffs.

Thats why I used the word apparently ange7, if you look hard enough into any religious texts you can find excuses to carry out lots of hate filled excesses. However few people look at the basic tenets of all religions and see they also should be practising tolerance and forgiveness. And the person they should be exercising the intolerance of the religious laws are themselves.

Sermon over

:wink:

[Clockers]

Originally posted by a_2009
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Enid
Originally posted by Shasown
Isnt religion great apparently its caused more wars than anything else.

If only people followed one simple belief, respect others and allow them to live their life the way they want to, so long as it doesnt hurt others.
Amen. (lolol)
wrong....
lots of people have lots of agendas and some try to hide it in the repectability of religion. It isn't the fault of religion that it gets hijacked. Have a think ffs.

Fair point....but at the same time:

The Muslim conquests, french wars of religion, the crusades and the reconquista are a few historical examples of wars caused by religion.

All due respect those situations are simular to whats happening in Israel Palestine conflict.

It was more about land than relgion, and those conflicts were caused on Arab land trying to be taken over by foreign factions.

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by PaulyJ
Religion gives you a belief in something bigger than yourself, this is it's main strength and it's biggest weakness.



If you believe in something higher than humanity, i.e God, you can quite easily set off on a path which, may lead you to the destruction of humanity.

i like this :thumbs:

[Shasown]

Originally posted by PaulyJ
Religion gives you a belief in something bigger than yourself, this is it's main strength and it's biggest weakness.



If you believe in something higher than humanity, i.e God, you can quite easily set off on a path which, may lead you to the destruction of humanity.

Its also possible the non belief in "god" could set someone off down the same path

[simplysic]

http://www.puppiesandflowers.com/blogimages/july07/ashTrayHat.jpg

[a_2009]

Originally posted by Clockers
Originally posted by a_2009
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Enid
Originally posted by Shasown
Isnt religion great apparently its caused more wars than anything else.

If only people followed one simple belief, respect others and allow them to live their life the way they want to, so long as it doesnt hurt others.
Amen. (lolol)
wrong....
lots of people have lots of agendas and some try to hide it in the repectability of religion. It isn't the fault of religion that it gets hijacked. Have a think ffs.

Fair point....but at the same time:

The Muslim conquests, french wars of religion, the crusades and the reconquista are a few historical examples of wars caused by religion.

All due respect those situations are simular to whats happening in Israel Palestine conflict.

It was more about land than relgion, and those conflicts were caused on Arab land trying to be taken over by foreign factions.

Little bit tired so this will be pretty short...my understanding of the crusades is the christians were causing a bit of mischief and sanctioned military campaigns to regain control of the holy land.....
I'm not saying religion is the cause of all war, just it has been responsible or played a part in a few.
I'm not out to launch an attack on all religions by any means, i can see the possitive influence that religion can have on some people's lives...as well as the negative....

My take on it - if it makes people happy and doesn't have a negative impact on someone else....then sweet as!

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by Shasown
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Religion gives you a belief in something bigger than yourself, this is it's main strength and it's biggest weakness.



If you believe in something higher than humanity, i.e God, you can quite easily set off on a path which, may lead you to the destruction of humanity.

Its also possible the non belief in "god" could set someone off down the same path

yeah but if you don't have a belief in 'god' then whatever path you go down, you have chosen for yourself

if you believe that it is written you should go down said path, then it's kinda giving the excuse that it's not the person's fault and that it's their duty, making them infallible

[Clockers]

I am knackerd too, thank god the housemates are going to bed cos I am staying awake for this rare occassion of them having a late one.

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by Shasown
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Religion gives you a belief in something bigger than yourself, this is it's main strength and it's biggest weakness.



If you believe in something higher than humanity, i.e God, you can quite easily set off on a path which, may lead you to the destruction of humanity.

Its also possible the non belief in "god" could set someone off down the same path

Yes, as happens all the time, but the point is no one preaches a non belief in God, and promotes harmful ideologies, in the name of No God.

My point though is, If we all accepted that humanity is as high, and big as it gets here on planet earth, it would be that bit harder to diminish a humans right to do anything, as long as it did not infringe on another humans rights.

As it is Religion allows us to hate based on something higher.
There will always be hate i guess, but it just won't be sanctioned, underneath pages and pages of interpreted texts that may or may not of been written from words someone we think said.

[kisywisy]

i can't really think straight i'm so tired

:sleep::sleep::sleep:

[Shasown]

Originally posted by kisywisy


yeah but if you don't have a belief in 'god' then whatever path you go down, you have chosen for yourself

if you believe that it is written you should go down said path, then it's kinda giving the excuse that it's not the person's fault and that it's their duty, making them infallible

Valid point kisy only if you use religious dogma to validate following a life path, preordination is not tied solely to religious beliefs it exists in non religious outlooks as well,

[a_2009]

Originally posted by PaulyJ
Originally posted by Shasown
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Religion gives you a belief in something bigger than yourself, this is it's main strength and it's biggest weakness.



If you believe in something higher than humanity, i.e God, you can quite easily set off on a path which, may lead you to the destruction of humanity.

Its also possible the non belief in "god" could set someone off down the same path

Yes, as happens all the time, but the point is no one preaches a non belief in God, and promotes harmful ideologies, in the name of No God.

My point though is, If we all accepted that humanity is as high, and big as it gets here on planet earth, it would be that bit harder to diminish a humans right to do anything, as long as it did not infringe on another humans rights.

As it is Religion allows us to hate based on something higher.
There will always be hate i guess, but it just won't be sanctioned, underneath pages and pages of interpreted texts that may or may not of been written from words someone we think said.

Hmmmm, the promotes harmful ideologies in the name of no god bit....i'm a bit confused...but it is 4:30 am

There's several examples of harmful ideolgies being preached from a non religious perspective.......although i could have completely misinterpreted what you were getting at :wink:

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by Shasown
Originally posted by kisywisy


yeah but if you don't have a belief in 'god' then whatever path you go down, you have chosen for yourself

if you believe that it is written you should go down said path, then it's kinda giving the excuse that it's not the person's fault and that it's their duty, making them infallible

Valid point kisy only if you use religious dogma to validate following a life path, preordination is not tied solely to religious beliefs it exists in non religious outlooks as well,

oh yeah

although many people aren't raised religiously, they still have some sort of belief system that can influence their decision making

so i see your point that it' not just a belief in religion that can lead you down certain paths

[PaulyJ]

Night all enjoyed, the convo:xyxwave:

[Shasown]

Originally posted by PaulyJ
My point though is, If we all accepted that humanity is as high, and big as it gets here on planet earth, it would be that bit harder to diminish a humans right to do anything, as long as it did not infringe on another humans rights.

As it is Religion allows us to hate based on something higher.
There will always be hate i guess, but it just won't be sanctioned, underneath pages and pages of interpreted texts that may or may not of been written from words someone we think said.


Yep but its not the religion that has caused it, simply the people usurping the religion that have corrupted the beliefs to be used in hate filled ways.

Some of the greater hate filled excesses of the last couple of centuries have been perpetrated on adherents of religions as opposed to being caused by adherents of any particualr religions.

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by PaulyJ
Originally posted by Shasown
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Religion gives you a belief in something bigger than yourself, this is it's main strength and it's biggest weakness.



If you believe in something higher than humanity, i.e God, you can quite easily set off on a path which, may lead you to the destruction of humanity.

Its also possible the non belief in "god" could set someone off down the same path

Yes, as happens all the time, but the point is no one preaches a non belief in God, and promotes harmful ideologies, in the name of No God.

My point though is, If we all accepted that humanity is as high, and big as it gets here on planet earth, it would be that bit harder to diminish a humans right to do anything, as long as it did not infringe on another humans rights.

As it is Religion allows us to hate based on something higher.
There will always be hate i guess, but it just won't be sanctioned, underneath pages and pages of interpreted texts that may or may not of been written from words someone we think said.

very valid point and i do agree with them. religion is based on faith and i would prefer to have faith in people than someone/thing that can't be proven.

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by PaulyJ
Night all enjoyed, the convo:xyxwave:

:xyxwave:

i'm also hitting the hay. my head hurts :sleep::sleep::sleep:

[alchemists1]

tops your what gives islam a bad name,who says your defination of the quran is correct,and as for passing judgement on people who made you god or allah or whoeva.

[Clockers]

Originally posted by alchemists1
tops your what gives islam a bad name,who says your defination of the quran is correct,and as for passing judgement on people who made you god or allah or whoeva.

Another excellent point :thumbs:

[tintedshadow]

i think its a good job i was not on last night,i dont think i could say calm after seeing half the post from tops..

but anyhoo this thread is not about him...

i have to say clockers its refreshing to see a muslim with an open mind on this forum,i find it soo annoying how most muslim girls get pure hatred from the likes of tops and others in the asian community..

it is true she is muslim,and her insistance to pray five times a day is a credit to her..but im so bored of people like tops who think so low of her,simply because she dresses a certain way and is absolutely stunning (imo)... if she doesnt go this week then it would be interesting to see how she handles ramadhan when it comes about next month.. but brother do me a favour,dont listen to the likes of tops or anyone..you are a good muslim..

i care not whether you drink or smoke,but you stay open minded..much is to be said for that but im not here to arse lick a fellow brother.. just wish there were more broadminded people around like yourself..

[Chuckyegg]

Ive seen you call gay people fags
call girls sluts
nearly every post you make has appalling filthy language in it.
if you are a muslim you're a rubbish representative.

[tintedshadow]

im guessing that is not reffering to me?because im quite the gentlemen (usually)

[tintedshadow]

oh and as a side note cursing does not make you a bad representative to a any religion...i see catholics curse,i see jews curse...nothing wrong with some profanity i suppose...

[Clockers]

Originally posted by Chuckyegg
Ive seen you call gay people fags
call girls sluts
nearly every post you make has appalling filthy language in it.
if you are a muslim you're a rubbish representative.

I don't think you said enough mate, I also call eveyone ****ts, have called lezzas carpet munchers and more profanities than you can shake a stick at.

I say it to be funny and shocking but with no intent to be aggressive or mean like topspin.

I am far from homophobic, but I will take the piss out of gays and straights and blacks and whites and brown and yellow and christians and muslims, and hindus and sikhs and budhist and catholics and right wings and left wings.

Only people you not heard me take the piss out of are pikeys, cos I *****ing hate pikeys beyond belief.:thumbs:

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by Clockers
Originally posted by Chuckyegg
Ive seen you call gay people fags
call girls sluts
nearly every post you make has appalling filthy language in it.
if you are a muslim you're a rubbish representative.

I don't think you said enough mate, I also call eveyone ****ts, have called lezzas carpet munchers and more profanities than you can shake a stick at.

I say it to be funny and shocking but with no intent to be aggressive or mean like topspin.

I am far from homophobic, but I will take the p**s out of gays and straights and blacks and whites and brown and yellow and christians and muslims, and hindus and sikhs and budhist and catholics and right wings and left wings.

Only people you not heard me take the p**s out of are pikeys, cos I *****ing hate pikeys beyond belief.:thumbs:
What are pikeys?

[tintedshadow]

lol pikeys is what some use when reffering to lower class irish people.. (chavs i suppose)

[Clockers]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
Originally posted by Clockers
Originally posted by Chuckyegg
Ive seen you call gay people fags
call girls sluts
nearly every post you make has appalling filthy language in it.
if you are a muslim you're a rubbish representative.

I don't think you said enough mate, I also call eveyone ****ts, have called lezzas carpet munchers and more profanities than you can shake a stick at.

I say it to be funny and shocking but with no intent to be aggressive or mean like topspin.

I am far from homophobic, but I will take the p**s out of gays and straights and blacks and whites and brown and yellow and christians and muslims, and hindus and sikhs and budhist and catholics and right wings and left wings.

Only people you not heard me take the p**s out of are pikeys, cos I *****ing hate pikeys beyond belief.:thumbs:
What are pikeys?

Gypsy ****ts who live to ***** over other people, teach their kids about violence and consider them adults at 14. They are immoral and inbreed, cos a none pikey has to be nuts to join a bunch of caravan living sister *****ers with no purpose in life but to be antisocial.

Hate the ****ts with a passion, had a few run ins with pikeys.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Oh ok, thanks.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by tintedshadow
im guessing that is not reffering to me?because im quite the gentlemen (usually)
The Boondocks?

[Clockers]

1oo

[Chuckyegg]

Originally posted by Clockers
Originally posted by Chuckyegg
Ive seen you call gay people fags
call girls sluts
nearly every post you make has appalling filthy language in it.
if you are a muslim you're a rubbish representative.

I don't think you said enough mate, I also call eveyone ****ts, have called lezzas carpet munchers and more profanities than you can shake a stick at.

I say it to be funny and shocking but with no intent to be aggressive or mean like topspin.

I am far from homophobic, but I will take the p**s out of gays and straights and blacks and whites and brown and yellow and christians and muslims, and hindus and sikhs and budhist and catholics and right wings and left wings.

Only people you not heard me take the p**s out of are pikeys, cos I *****ing hate pikeys beyond belief.:thumbs:

ooh arn't you daring!!

i had you down as a total pikey

[anonycat]

ALL religions are only echos or reflections of the best and worst of human nature (and the culture of the civilization that conceived it).

Originally posted by Shasown
Originally posted by PaulyJ
My point though is, If we all accepted that humanity is as high, and big as it gets here on planet earth, it would be that bit harder to diminish a humans right to do anything, as long as it did not infringe on another humans rights.

As it is Religion allows us to hate based on something higher.
There will always be hate i guess, but it just won't be sanctioned, underneath pages and pages of interpreted texts that may or may not of been written from words someone we think said.


Yep but its not the religion that has caused it, simply the people usurping the religion that have corrupted the beliefs to be used in hate filled ways.

Some of the greater hate filled excesses of the last couple of centuries have been perpetrated on adherents of religions as opposed to being caused by adherents of any particualr religions.

True... but humanity spawned religions.
Religion only became the pacifier of fears, answerer of questions, justifier of wars, etc., because humanity bore fears that it needed to pacify, questions that it needed answered, bloodlust/territorialism/greed that made war desirable, etc.

And, in fact, the opposite of your statement is, -most often-, more accurate. -Most- people just take the best bits out of the religious texts and conveniently ignore or never even read the truly horrific parts. The christian bible, for example promotes rape and abduction as a war tactic and wiping out 'barbaric' civilizations (read: genocide). It justifies owning and beating slaves, denounces women as evil and stupid and dispensable, valuing them as mere property, denounces masturbation as wicked and dirty (*gasp* (O.O) Ohhhh noes!) and on and on and on...

I cannot speak as much, to the Qur'an, as I wasn't raised in a Muslim community, and I did not write a thesis on it. Though I do know, from research I've done in the past, that there are some objectionable (to say the least) things in there, as well.
Some is the same as above... sanctioned rape of captured female slaves, for example. It is just indicative of social norms, ideology, and law, at the times that these religious texts were conceived and written,... as well as, a very dark dismal side of human nature.

Wah, wah, wah.... :cloud:

:angel:

[tintedshadow]

thats a well made point..im not arsed about going in depth right now but lets just get something crystal clear for those with the same mind frame as *************..from page 1 ive seen some contradictions from the lad,first rule of islam as with every religion is to accept diversity and not judge others..no matter how closely you follow religion atleast accept that religion is about YOUR relationship with the god,as appose to random profanity being thrown around lets just worry about ourselves and not judge noone...

[Clockers]

You know when you goto an Indian resturant, it not actually Indian.

India main religion is Hinduism and Hindus don't eat meat, so how can an Indian resturant be Indian if it is selling food with meat in it. These resturants are more than likely Bangladesh or Pakistani.

Actual Indian resturant would be Sakonis which is vegetrian all the way through with your sterotypical Hindu large family all cousins uncles aunties and grandpa raj get together.

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by Clockers
You know when you goto an Indian resturant, it not actually Indian.

India main religion is Hinduism and Hindus don't eat meat, so how can an Indian resturant be Indian if it is selling food with meat in it. These resturants are more than likely Bangladesh or Pakistani.

Actual Indian resturant would be Sakonis which is vegetrian all the way through with your sterotypical Hindu large family all cousins uncles aunties and grandpa raj get together.
bro some indians/hindus dont eat meat,some hindus do..some are true vegans who dont even touch fish,others do..plus you do get indian muslims too so whats the actual point your trying to make?

[doublewit]

Hira doesnt represent the muslim community.

Nor would the muslim community wish to be represented on a sho like BB.

Nor would they want to be represented by her.

If anything, Jermain Jackson was a good role model.

[tinkerbell]

Originally posted by Clockers
I am not sure many of you people know this, but I am Muslim, but many people would never consider me to be one. I am more Muslim by name than nature and no one really batters an eyelid if I wanna get pisssed or have one night stand or even eat a bacon buttie, not forgetting the poker either.

At the same time, I consider myself so broadminded about certain things, like equal rights for all races genders and sexuality that I sometimes feel more Muslim than people who consider themselves to be strict followers of Islam.

I have allot of debates with Muslims regarding Islamic issues and we all have our own interpretations.

There are allot of girls in my ethnic community like Hira, westernised but still holding on to traditional beliefs. It common occurance, we are all not Quran bashing, fear mongering fanatics. Many Muslims just live their daily lives and not be concerned about other forms of Islam but their own.

So is Hira a strict Muslim girl, I would say "Hell Yeah!"

Sorry for the long essay, I could not shorten it.


I don't get how exactly is she a 'strict muslim girl'? I mean seriously as a muslim you wuld know that a husband would never ever ever let his wife go to a place like BB where there's alcohol and men! She would shame her family and her husband.
I can't stress this point enought.

[tintedshadow]

lol that doesnt mean shes not a strict muslim just because she is not bound by a ball and chain..your actually blurring the diffrence between culture and religion,religion does not dictate where she can and cant go,its narrow minded traditions that do so..

so yeah she is a strict muslim as she prays five times a day and perhaps does more than those who wish to say she is not a strict muslim...

[HELLIWONTGO]

Arguing about religion is very much like fighting over deck chairs on the Titanic!

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by doublewit
Hira doesnt represent the muslim community.

Nor would the muslim community wish to be represented on a sho like BB.

Nor would they want to be represented by her.


yes she does,and i have no reason to not want her to represent me... but yeah good point well made :rolleyes:

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by HELLIWONTGO
Arguing about religion is very much like fighting over deck chairs on the Titanic!
indeed but im hoping for more of a discussion rather than a heated arguement which descends in to chaos..doesnt hurt to expand horizons now and then.

[Clockers]

Originally posted by tintedshadow
Originally posted by Clockers
You know when you goto an Indian resturant, it not actually Indian.

India main religion is Hinduism and Hindus don't eat meat, so how can an Indian resturant be Indian if it is selling food with meat in it. These resturants are more than likely Bangladesh or Pakistani.

Actual Indian resturant would be Sakonis which is vegetrian all the way through with your sterotypical Hindu large family all cousins uncles aunties and grandpa raj get together.
bro some indians/hindus dont eat meat,some hindus do..some are true vegans who dont even touch fish,others do..plus you do get indian muslims too so whats the actual point your trying to make?

Well some countires are associated with a religon, like most of the middle east is associated with Islam and even though u get muslims, jews and chrisitan within India, the main religon is Hinduism. There are Hindus who eat meat, but I just think Indian resturants should be renamed to Bangaldesh. So when people say they fancy an Indian, they should say I fancy a Bangladesh.

Sorry for being awkward and sill. :laugh:

[doublewit]

Talking about cooking. It would be interesting to see Hila cook for the HM's.

I nice Indian style meal. See how they react.

[tinkerbell]

Originally posted by doublewit
Talking about cooking. It would be interesting to see Hila cook for the HM's.

I nice Indian style meal. See how they react.


But she isn't Indian...

[Clockers]

Originally posted by doublewit
Talking about cooking. It would be interesting to see Hila cook for the HM's.

I nice Indian style meal. See how they react.

Pakistani meal mate, she not indian. It like having a German housemate thinking they would make frogs legs instead of a bratwurst.

[doublewit]

Originally posted by Clockers
Originally posted by doublewit
Talking about cooking. It would be interesting to see Hila cook for the HM's.

I nice Indian style meal. See how they react.

Pakistani meal mate, she not indian. It like having a German housemate thinking they would make frogs legs instead of a bratwurst.

I read your post and understand..lol. I heard too that it was the Bangladeshi community that dominated the 'Indian' takeaway' scene.

However the name 'Indian' has stuck and it wouldnt be the same if it was changed. The indiginous British folk wouldnt want to change it either. They would want 'Indian' even if it isnt. lol

[Chuckyegg]

Wonder what Sree_eers would say about all this.

[Robertocarlo]

There are lots of Jews, usually Liberal or Reform Jews, who east pork and don't follow the Kosher rules so I guess there must be Muslims who do the same. The Jews I know would still consider themselves Jewish but living in the 21st century and not bound up by 3,000 rules.

I'm a Christian and believe fully in rights for all regardless including Gays as Priests etc. Then there are many Christians who believe the opoosite. We would still call ourselves Christians but again living in the 21st century rather than in the Old Testament.