Bea.... a slightly better female role model?

[fizzii]

I was really disappointed with the girls in BB this year.... either scary and weird like angel and lisa or looks obsessed - particularly Karly, Dogface and Noirin.

Totally fed up with bleach blondes with their boobs hanging out all the time - what kind of role models are they?

I find it kind of depressing that they didn't put any positive females into the house - someone with a bit of intelligence or grace.

Do you think Bea is the answer to this?:conf:

[Tom]

Sophie is a brilliant role model all girls should go down that route (providing they're fit). if they're ugly then Lisa is a more appropriate role model

[doive1231]

I hope she doesn't swear. Seeing some uncensored footage has shown how foul-mouthed Noirin, Sophie, Karly and Lisa are. Siavash and Marcus are appalling too.

[Saphire1]

Whats so attractive about having 2 bald mens heads stuck to your front? Even Kris said that her 'boobs' scared him. Most men prefer natural soft boobs - not humungus rock hard rugby balls. As for Karly, her sour mug would curdle my coffee uuughh vile. Both Noirine and Bea are naturally attractive and good role models for women - they are in a different league to the peroxide plastic tarts.

[BBLB]

Bea a role model..OMG I cant believe anyone even sugests that.
She is into Polygamy.
Would anyone here want their daughters to imitate Beas thoughts on relationships.
IE : Does not believe in Monogamy but believes in having multiple partners for sex even when your in one long term relationship.
Doesnt like or want to work but has to out of need.
Looks like shes been doing the usual drugs round,its what bohemians are known for.

This is a good role model?

[patrona]

I like Bea so far but also I do like dogface :))

[loomy]

A chain smoking posh girl who's probably never had to work for everything, has been fired from every job she's ever had and can't seem to stay faithful in a relationship

A role model.. I don't think so sonny jim

And she is definitely as look obsessed as the others. She still made an effort with her appearance.

[Lee.]

No, I do not really think she is a very good role model. She does seem very pleasant, however, she has been fired from every job she has ever had and she doesn't believe in monogamy! Not a very good role model if you ask me!

[30stone]

Bea has been fired from every job shes ever had lol!

i understand you but i dont agree.

I dont see a problem with people who like to look good..

[fizzii]

I threw it open as a question - like is she/could she be a SLIGHTLY better role model than some of the others.

I'm not saying she is a role model - I totally get what you are saying about "free love" thing.

And I'm not against people looking good - I suppose what I would've liked is a naturally pretty girl who isn't totally looks obsessed. I wish the media would get over the big boob/vacant/blonde thing as the way to be....

And I'm sorry, but having seen those pics of Noirin in her pants has just confirmed to me that she is just as attention-seeking as Karly and Dogface.

Can anyone think of any previous BB female housemates who did have any dignity and grace (e.g keep their bits and pieces underwraps?!) ?

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by fizzii
I threw it open as a question - like is she/could she be a SLIGHTLY better role model than some of the others.

I'm not saying she is a role model - I totally get what you are saying about "free love" thing.

And I'm not against people looking good - I suppose what I would've liked is a naturally pretty girl who isn't totally looks obsessed. I wish the media would get over the big boob/vacant/blonde thing as the way to be....

And I'm sorry, but having seen those pics of Noirin in her pants has just confirmed to me that she is just as attention-seeking as Karly and Dogface.

Can anyone think of any previous BB female housemates who did have any dignity and grace (e.g keep their bits and pieces underwraps?!) ?


Helen BB2!

[Lee.]

Originally posted by fizzii
I threw it open as a question - like is she/could she be a SLIGHTLY better role model than some of the others.

I'm not saying she is a role model - I totally get what you are saying about "free love" thing.

And I'm not against people looking good - I suppose what I would've liked is a naturally pretty girl who isn't totally looks obsessed. I wish the media would get over the big boob/vacant/blonde thing as the way to be....

And I'm sorry, but having seen those pics of Noirin in her pants has just confirmed to me that she is just as attention-seeking as Karly and Dogface.

Can anyone think of any previous BB female housemates who did have any dignity and grace (e.g keep their bits and pieces underwraps?!) ?

The twins. I thought they did themselves and their parents proud. Never swore, bitched, gossiped or degraded themselves in any way but still managed to come across as great fun!

[fizzii]

Yes - I thought Helen was lovely! Why couldn't we have had another Helen? That's what I'm talking about... what a sweet girl.


And the twins did good too - although the pink/blonde/bubbly thing did grate a bit after a while. But at least they didn't swear and shout and flash their pants every two minutes..

[BBLB]

Originally posted by fizzii
Yes - I thought Helen was lovely! Why couldn't we have had another Helen? That's what I'm talking about... what a sweet girl.


And the twins did good too - although the pink/blonde/bubbly thing did grate a bit after a while. But at least they didn't swear and shout and flash their pants every two minutes..

Helen got naked in front of millions watching tv.
She also dumped her boyfriend ( big G ) on tv in favour of paul clarke.
She was also pretty dumb so maybe not a good role model.

[brisbanebroncos]

If you are looking for role models on Big Brother, than your life isn't going to turn out too well.

[CaraRawr]

I like Bea. :]

Sophie too. She may be a glamour model, but if you look past that she seems like an alright person.

[anonycat]

Originally posted by BBLB
Bea a role model..OMG I cant believe anyone even sugests that.
She is into Polygamy.
Would anyone here want their daughters to imitate Beas thoughts on relationships.
IE : Does not believe in Monogamy but believes in having multiple partners for sex even when your in one long term relationship.
Doesnt like or want to work but has to out of need.
Looks like shes been doing the usual drugs round,its what bohemians are known for.

This is a good role model?

Monogamy is not a natural human occurrence, but a social construction that was developed under the guise of morality and religion.
There is much historical and biological evidence to support this. There are, for example, three types of sperm released in every ejaculate. One type fights to make it to the egg, one type plays defense against other sperm, and one type seeks and destroys other sperm. The ratio of what type of sperm the man produces is directly influenced by his mentality (are there other men involved? has he been away? etc.) and his penis to testicle proportion.

As long as she is open and honest with her partner(s), what is the outrage?
She is not forcing anyone to sleep with her.

And why on earth should everyone /want/ to work? What is wrong with not being into earning a living, but doing so to get by? I think that describes a good portion of people. It's nice if you enjoy what you do for a living, but not everyone is so fortunate. Some people find fulfillment in other ways. That's not okay?

As for the drugs, do you not even occasionally drink?

Just wondering...

[BBLB]

Originally posted by anonycat
Originally posted by BBLB
Bea a role model..OMG I cant believe anyone even sugests that.
She is into Polygamy.
Would anyone here want their daughters to imitate Beas thoughts on relationships.
IE : Does not believe in Monogamy but believes in having multiple partners for sex even when your in one long term relationship.
Doesnt like or want to work but has to out of need.
Looks like shes been doing the usual drugs round,its what bohemians are known for.

This is a good role model?

Monogamy is not a natural human occurrence, but a social construction that was developed under the guise of morality and religion.
There is much historical and biological evidence to support this. There are, for example, three types of sperm released in every ejaculate. One type fights to make it to the egg, one type plays defense against other sperm, and one type seeks and destroys other sperm. The ratio of what type of sperm the man produces is directly influenced by his mentality (are there other men involved? has he been away? etc.) and his penis to testicle proportion.

As long as she is open and honest with her partner(s), what is the outrage?
She is not forcing anyone to sleep with her.

And why on earth should everyone /want/ to work? What is wrong with not being into earning a living, but doing so to get by? I think that describes a good portion of people. It's nice if you enjoy what you do for a living, but not everyone is so fortunate. Some people find fulfillment in other ways. That's not okay?

As for the drugs, do you not even occasionally drink?

Just wondering...

My views on monogamy and drugs are completely irelevant to the thread subject.
Is Bea a good role model.
If you think being unfaithful,taking drugs and being work shy is a good cast for a role model then your entitled to your opinion.

If you still want my views on these things then I will gladly tell you I think anyone taking drugs needs their heads testing and anyone that has several boyfriends has serious issues in love and trust.
Do I have an occassional drink,yes..is it legal,yes.
Do I think all ilegal drugs should remain ilegal,yes.
When you see how families are broken into a million peices then you also may take this view.
However thats really for another thread in a different forum.

[BBLB]

Originally posted by brisbanebroncos
If you are looking for role models on Big Brother, than your life isn't going to turn out too well.

Very true,although as much as it pains me to say so because I found her exceedingly dull I think Rachel Rice is the nearest you will get to a decent role model.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Originally posted by BBLB
Originally posted by anonycat
Originally posted by BBLB
Bea a role model..OMG I cant believe anyone even sugests that.
She is into Polygamy.
Would anyone here want their daughters to imitate Beas thoughts on relationships.
IE : Does not believe in Monogamy but believes in having multiple partners for sex even when your in one long term relationship.
Doesnt like or want to work but has to out of need.
Looks like shes been doing the usual drugs round,its what bohemians are known for.

This is a good role model?

Monogamy is not a natural human occurrence, but a social construction that was developed under the guise of morality and religion.
There is much historical and biological evidence to support this. There are, for example, three types of sperm released in every ejaculate. One type fights to make it to the egg, one type plays defense against other sperm, and one type seeks and destroys other sperm. The ratio of what type of sperm the man produces is directly influenced by his mentality (are there other men involved? has he been away? etc.) and his penis to testicle proportion.

As long as she is open and honest with her partner(s), what is the outrage?
She is not forcing anyone to sleep with her.

And why on earth should everyone /want/ to work? What is wrong with not being into earning a living, but doing so to get by? I think that describes a good portion of people. It's nice if you enjoy what you do for a living, but not everyone is so fortunate. Some people find fulfillment in other ways. That's not okay?

As for the drugs, do you not even occasionally drink?

Just wondering...

My views on monogamy and drugs are completely irelevant to the thread subject.
Is Bea a good role model.
If you think being unfaithful,taking drugs and being work shy is a good cast for a role model then your entitled to your opinion.

If you still want my views on these things then I will gladly tell you I think anyone taking drugs needs their heads testing and anyone that has several boyfriends has serious issues in love and trust.
Do I have an occassional drink,yes..is it legal,yes.
Do I think all ilegal drugs should remain ilegal,yes.
When you see how families are broken into a million peices then you also may take this view.
However thats really for another thread in a different forum.

I think the OP may have been saying she was a better role model as she doesn't seem the 'lads mags' women that BB has been coming up with the past few years. Or a stereotype like angel, tracey or lisa. In which I would say she is a better role model for at least being something other than a lad mag women.

However this is based on only a few minutes Ive seen so far so her character could be very different (and I also think she is a sterotype 'bohemian' but as she's not an artist (as far as im aware) so that means that she technically wouldn't be classed as bohemian anyway.

In regards to her personality (from snap shot) no, a woman constantly being fired, and seemingly being flaky and all over the place, in terms of a role model, it would be know.

Finally I will also question the mention of drugs (not to get to much into it, but I would happily have a discussion in a thread about it, I don't see how it should be in question. If she is a drug user (and we don't know) then the answer is obviously no. Yet, to imply that only negative effects occur from drug use then that I will question, there is a difference between theraputic drugs (illegal, class A ones) being used in a correct way rather than being abused by the vast majority. The question of legality is also a contentious one, the effects of alcohol, nicotine and caffiene should really make them illegal, or in the case of caffiene controlled in a more 'adult' manner.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Oh, and to back up my last point.

Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band.

[Marc]

I agree the women in this year's house have not been role moles but then again anyone who goes into the BB house doesn't set a good example to other women nationwide.

[BBLB]

Originally posted by Appearance_Of_A_Junky
Originally posted by BBLB
Originally posted by anonycat
Originally posted by BBLB
Bea a role model..OMG I cant believe anyone even sugests that.
She is into Polygamy.
Would anyone here want their daughters to imitate Beas thoughts on relationships.
IE : Does not believe in Monogamy but believes in having multiple partners for sex even when your in one long term relationship.
Doesnt like or want to work but has to out of need.
Looks like shes been doing the usual drugs round,its what bohemians are known for.

This is a good role model?

Monogamy is not a natural human occurrence, but a social construction that was developed under the guise of morality and religion.
There is much historical and biological evidence to support this. There are, for example, three types of sperm released in every ejaculate. One type fights to make it to the egg, one type plays defense against other sperm, and one type seeks and destroys other sperm. The ratio of what type of sperm the man produces is directly influenced by his mentality (are there other men involved? has he been away? etc.) and his penis to testicle proportion.

As long as she is open and honest with her partner(s), what is the outrage?
She is not forcing anyone to sleep with her.

And why on earth should everyone /want/ to work? What is wrong with not being into earning a living, but doing so to get by? I think that describes a good portion of people. It's nice if you enjoy what you do for a living, but not everyone is so fortunate. Some people find fulfillment in other ways. That's not okay?

As for the drugs, do you not even occasionally drink?

Just wondering...

My views on monogamy and drugs are completely irelevant to the thread subject.
Is Bea a good role model.
If you think being unfaithful,taking drugs and being work shy is a good cast for a role model then your entitled to your opinion.

If you still want my views on these things then I will gladly tell you I think anyone taking drugs needs their heads testing and anyone that has several boyfriends has serious issues in love and trust.
Do I have an occassional drink,yes..is it legal,yes.
Do I think all ilegal drugs should remain ilegal,yes.
When you see how families are broken into a million peices then you also may take this view.
However thats really for another thread in a different forum.

I think the OP may have been saying she was a better role model as she doesn't seem the 'lads mags' women that BB has been coming up with the past few years. Or a stereotype like angel, tracey or lisa. In which I would say she is a better role model for at least being something other than a lad mag women.

However this is based on only a few minutes Ive seen so far so her character could be very different (and I also think she is a sterotype 'bohemian' but as she's not an artist (as far as im aware) so that means that she technically wouldn't be classed as bohemian anyway.

In regards to her personality (from snap shot) no, a woman constantly being fired, and seemingly being flaky and all over the place, in terms of a role model, it would be know.

Finally I will also question the mention of drugs (not to get to much into it, but I would happily have a discussion in a thread about it, I don't see how it should be in question. If she is a drug user (and we don't know) then the answer is obviously no. Yet, to imply that only negative effects occur from drug use then that I will question, there is a difference between theraputic drugs (illegal, class A ones) being used in a correct way rather than being abused by the vast majority. The question of legality is also a contentious one, the effects of alcohol, nicotine and caffiene should really make them illegal, or in the case of caffiene controlled in a more 'adult' manner.

All fair points,although I have not seen Saffia,Sophia in lads mags nor do I see Lisa or hira as likely to go in lads mags.
As for stereotypes I think Bea is very stereotypical of a free loving hippie,im just waiting for her to puff her cigarette along with halfwit and utter stuff like yeah man the world is a beautiful place,make love not war,etc.
I also think shes a stereotypical example of what is bohemian,would not shock me to hear that she has a set of tarot cards or starts telling hms fortunes by reading their tealeaves.
Even non conformists have a stereotype and I think Bea plays the stereotype well.
Agree with you about theraputic drugs,my references was obviously not even considering this group.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Originally posted by BBLB

All fair points,although I have not seen Saffia,Sophia in lads mags nor do I see Lisa or hira as likely to go in lads mags.
As for stereotypes I think Bea is very stereotypical of a free loving hippie,im just waiting for her to puff her cigarette along with halfwit and utter stuff like yeah man the world is a beautiful place,make love not war,etc.
I also think shes a stereotypical example of what is bohemian,would not shock me to hear that she has a set of tarot cards or starts telling hms fortunes by reading their tealeaves.
Even non conformists have a stereotype and I think Bea plays the stereotype well.
Agree with you about theraputic drugs,my references was obviously not even considering this group.

Your remarks about Saffia and Sophia are obviously true, and that was pleasing to see, but in my view their short time in the house mean to me that they wouldn't be seen as role models anyway due to their lack of social impact.

Secondly, If and when Bea brings out a cigarette it will either be a herbal one, but I suspect menthol. I kinda get the feeling that tarot cards might be involved, but I do hope not (and it wasn't until you mentioned it, but yeah, I could see it).

Im pleased we agree about the benefits of controlled substances in certain situations. I did have to make the point, I have a huge interest in the counter culture which obviously its a part of and I don't like the way its always percieved to be just a negative thing, not that im advocating the use of drugs.

All this is said, anyone who takes role models from BB should take a while to reconsider their choice.

[Oooo_get_her]

I have been holidaying and have my brains *****ed out too much in the last week to see BB so I haven't had a chance to observe Bea yet, but reading the general points above about drugs and polygamy I have to agree with the pro-doing what is right for you and not what society dictates side.

I think people who are strong and confident in themselves and what they believe and want are for the most part better role models regardless of behaviour / beliefs than people who just follow the social norms blindly, with no true conviction other than that it is expected of them.

I have no idea if Bea is such a person.

Morality shifts. A thousand years ago it was morally OK to have slaves and morally right to beat them if they 'needed it'. Today that is an outrageous idea. Today it is 'morally right' in the eyes of many cultures to have one life partner - but that's entirely subjective.

And to the person who went on about drugs tearing families apart - alcohol abuse is completely legal and I can name five families of people close to me, including my own, that were adversely effected by alcohol - three of which suffered irreparable damage. I can name only one family that suffered similarly due to drug addiction. The two main difference between recreational drug abuse and alcohol abuse is the legal status and that the latter is far more common than the former. Just because something is legal it does not make it OK.

Of course it is possible to partake of and enjoy both recreational drugs and alcohol without abusing them.

Generally speaking though, the most sense in this thread has come from the people saying that looking for a role model among the BB contestants is a futile search - but still, the acedemic discussion is somewhat interesting, what? :laugh:

[dbfs]

I cant remember Kate lawlor getting her kit off and she was good fun and she won.
If your going to criticise her beliefs in free love then surely you should be criticisng all gays, lesbians and bi's in the house also.
I actually think Bea is a very nice girl - shes the only one out of the new housemates which is basically saying hey lets just see what happens and who the housemates nominate and not back stab people just to stay from being nominated - she goes right up there in my estimation and I think probably the only newbe worth staying - so lets not destroy her before she has even had a chance.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Nice post oooo-get-her.

I agree, but I also should question the age of the people looking for role models, and they will often change as they get older, rightly so. So some of them should be ignored by some of the younger people who are more easily influenced. Its just down to individual parenting.

My role models are Neal Cassady (bet 99.9% of people will have to google him), and Hunter S Thompson.

[Oooo_get_her]

Thanks AoaJ - I only know of NC because I have read On the Road - Hunter S I'm far better acquainted with. Not bad choices.

My role models are Miss Piggy and Daniel O'Connell. How's that for a contrast? :D

[fizzii]

I agree completely that looking for a role model in the BB house is somewhat futile (and not to be recommended) but then again, every year there are one or two people who I want to cheer for being themselves and getting on without being a total idiot.

I know people have mixed opinions about Freddie, but I like him as a person and he has been true to himself so far I think.

And in the past Pete was a nice chap, and Eugene was ace... but I couldn't really think of any women who might fit that category - hence the post.

thanks - it's been really interesting reading all your posts :spin2:

[BJ]

I din't think she's particularly a good role model but she seems a very likeable and decent person. Hope she goes far in the game

[HalfwitFTW]

I don't know why people have a problem with polygamy... as long as the people involved are ok with it and nobody is getting harmed then they should be allowed to do what they like. Just because society says monogamy is correct that doesn't mean it is.

As for her taking drugs (that's if she does) nicotine and alcohol can be even more harmful then some drugs, yet most people have no problem with people smoking or drinking. Why the double standards with drugs?

That said, I wouldn't consider Bea as a 'role model', simply for the fact she is on Big Brother, and like someone mentioned.. Big Brother is the LAST place to look for role models.

[anonycat]

Originally posted by BBLB
Originally posted by anonycat
Originally posted by BBLB
Bea a role model..OMG I cant believe anyone even sugests that.
She is into Polygamy.
Would anyone here want their daughters to imitate Beas thoughts on relationships.
IE : Does not believe in Monogamy but believes in having multiple partners for sex even when your in one long term relationship.
Doesnt like or want to work but has to out of need.
Looks like shes been doing the usual drugs round,its what bohemians are known for.

This is a good role model?

Monogamy is not a natural human occurrence, but a social construction that was developed under the guise of morality and religion.
There is much historical and biological evidence to support this. There are, for example, three types of sperm released in every ejaculate. One type fights to make it to the egg, one type plays defense against other sperm, and one type seeks and destroys other sperm. The ratio of what type of sperm the man produces is directly influenced by his mentality (are there other men involved? has he been away? etc.) and his penis to testicle proportion.

As long as she is open and honest with her partner(s), what is the outrage?
She is not forcing anyone to sleep with her.

And why on earth should everyone /want/ to work? What is wrong with not being into earning a living, but doing so to get by? I think that describes a good portion of people. It's nice if you enjoy what you do for a living, but not everyone is so fortunate. Some people find fulfillment in other ways. That's not okay?

As for the drugs, do you not even occasionally drink?

Just wondering...

My views on monogamy and drugs are completely irelevant to the thread subject.
Is Bea a good role model.

Sure, but you used those views as reasons why you deem her a bad role model. I am not arguing against your views. We are obviously very different people with differing opinions, and that's fine.
I was stating a counter view on these issues and stating why these things, (in my opinion) do not, alone, denote someone to "bad role model" status.

If you think being unfaithful,taking drugs and being work shy is a good cast for a role model then your entitled to your opinion.

Polygamy/polyamory does not = unfaithful. I clearly outlined that I think these sexual/romantic arrangements are only okay if it is open and honest (same with monogamy, btw). Being unfaithful, no matter what the parameters of a relationship are, is nothing more than a form of dishonesty, and I have no respect for the dishonest.

I don't believe taking drugs is either bad or good. It all depends on the person that takes the drug.
As others have pointed out, legality is not a valid factor to determine the (im)morality of something.

As for stereotypes I think Bea is very stereotypical of a free loving hippie,im just waiting for her to puff her cigarette along with halfwit and utter stuff like yeah man the world is a beautiful place,make love not war,etc.

Ah, I almost forgot,...
Yeah man, the world is a beautiful place (when it is not terribly ugly), and I'd much rather all the soldiers put away their weapons and got out their... erm... So, yep, make love not war. (~_^)b

(But use a rubber, please, because the world is too freaking overcrowded as is.)

[anonycat]

Originally posted by Oooo_get_her
I have been holidaying and have my brains *****ed out too much in the last week to see BB

( ^_^)/U*U\(^_^ )
Though, judging by your post, there is still some work to be done. :wink:


but reading the general points above about drugs and polygamy I have to agree with the pro-doing what is right for you and not what society dictates side.

I think people who are strong and confident in themselves and what they believe and want are for the most part better role models regardless of behaviour / beliefs than people who just follow the social norms blindly, with no true conviction other than that it is expected of them.

I have no idea if Bea is such a person.

Morality shifts. A thousand years ago it was morally OK to have slaves and morally right to beat them if they 'needed it'. Today that is an outrageous idea. Today it is 'morally right' in the eyes of many cultures to have one life partner - but that's entirely subjective.

And to the person who went on about drugs tearing families apart - alcohol abuse is completely legal and I can name five families of people close to me, including my own, that were adversely effected by alcohol - three of which suffered irreparable damage. I can name only one family that suffered similarly due to drug addiction. The two main difference between recreational drug abuse and alcohol abuse is the legal status and that the latter is far more common than the former. Just because something is legal it does not make it OK.

Of course it is possible to partake of and enjoy both recreational drugs and alcohol without abusing them.

Generally speaking though, the most sense in this thread has come from the people saying that looking for a role model among the BB contestants is a futile search - but still, the acedemic discussion is somewhat interesting, what? :laugh:

:thumbs:
Strength, confidence, self-awareness, honesty, autonomy, and authenticity are what I value in others. (Artistry, activism, and passion go a long way too.)

This whole issue of "role models" is, of course, completely subjective. What one considers a 'role model' will be entirely dependent on what they value.

I already live my life according to my own set of values. You can learn -something- from anyone, but I would, personally, be hard pressed to find someone on any television program that I would want to emulate or model something of myself after.
(Maybe in a documentary.)

[loomy]

Legality is currently a factor in the morality of drug use. The drug trade is a major source of funding for gangs and illegal activity in developing parts of the world. And the criminality of gangs results in the death and corruption of thousand upon thousands of young people and adults.

For my part, I do think we should legalise at least some drugs, but whilst they are not legal I think it is wrong to take them