half of them probably are internet trolls !!!

I agree. I'm happy to say that whilst I might read all sorts of stuff from the Sun to the Telegraph and everything in between - one doesn't even have to read between the lines in what is written - just simply paying attention to what is written and how it's written and presented, sometimes tells it's own story.

Still.... it's still early days - he could still be guilty of murder - but as I've said time and time again, I'm not convinced with the snippets that we've been given.

Nope, no contradiction. I havent said that anybody can say he's guilty or innocent just because they know him. Im saying nobody knows what lurks beneath somebodies exterior. Including those closest to them. And certainly not "former students of his" or whatever.

Digital Spy - another forum!

That was a very interesting post, thanks :)

I meant in respect of the 2 parts I'd highlighted. In one you say no one knows what's lurking in person's mind, and in the other, you say that because someone is a loner / odd, doesn't mean they are a killer (owtte).

That does seem contradictory to me - just my perception I guess - but not that it really matters in the grand scale of things.

There are some people who, for whatever reason, do not have enquiring or cynical minds, and are willing to trust the word of the press. There was a time that the Fourth Estate was a respectable and reliable institution.

I'm just a natural cynic, but apart from that, can spot lazy and irresponsible journalism a mile off. Even the broadsheets, under the guise of examing the interest in this case, managed to muddy the waters and made the same lazy digs about this chap being "a confirmed bachelor" who "dyed his hair blue" and "as a keen member of Neighbourhood Watch" making every statement sound like a contrapositive for a murderous psychopath.

I find presumption of guilt frightening, and have been quite shocked by how many people on various forums have indicated that is their stance.

Jo's life was cut short tragically but the finger-pointing and character assassination by social and news media of as yet innocent men has been shameful.

Greg Reardon, boyfriend

well because often serial killers were loners or socially awkward when young. This is usually as much as the parents will know about them as regards their behaviour socially. Unless they showed any signs of violence towards animals or others then of course they would be shocked to learn they were out killing people! which was my point to someone who implied that parents only pretend to be shocked.

Put Sky news on there are the ticker tape mentioned little apart from..... this I think might possibly be an indicator here....

making mention of CJ being released on bail, followed by a comment made by Joanna's parents saying that are confident Joanna's killer will be caught.

Now to me, that's inferring that CJ isn't the killer. Strange one all the same (the case, the bail situ, and the comment, I mean)

Trial by media not much better than trial by lynching
 

I couldn't agree more

yes it is frightening
 

'innocent until proved guilty' is a mockery in this country - it doesn't happen thanks to the media

Its got a wiff of we will never find out the killer this story does.

not if its somebody she knew. I mean, how many people can that be? Just waiting for the evidence to mount up.

Its still early days.

Nope they wont have to pay him a penny, unless he can prove something they wrote as "fact" and not "opinion" as being factually incorrect.

Even then if it came from a reliable third party source and could in some way be verified or backed up then the press walk away scott free.

A complaint to the Press Complaints Commission would simply earn him at most a printed apology unless the point in question was deemed to be libelous.

Its great the way the press get away with character assassinations by misquoting people.

Police are appealing for more people such as taxi drivers to come along and give any information they have - can you imagine after the good citizenship of Mr Jefferies helping them with their enquiries that any other male is likely to come forward with any information for fear of being incriminated with the crime - I think the police have well and truly shot themselves in the foot - they appeared to be a bit over zealous in the arrest of Mr Jefferies and are now back to square one - IMO quite incompetent!

CJ is now on Police Bail.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...On_Police_Bail

Snippet from the Telegraph:- ref Greg's (the boyfriend) statment.

Highly unsurpring that lowlife tabloids such as The Sun and DM, have also quoted Greg's statment - but omitted the above part. quelle surprise eh!

Suddenly the man is out on bail and the tone and wording used towards him in today's papers is immediately of a very different style - no mud slinging, no castigation etc - although the DM are still running with their origial headline of Prof Strange that appeared last night.

Either the media have had their knuckles wrapped or they may have realised that this man just might just hit them with a lawsuit.

Going on the premise that the boyfriend is not involved: I'd have thought that if he had the slightest doubt about the LL, if he had the smallest hint of him being involved, I'd be surprised that he would have raised the matter of the abyssmal 'trial by media' press coverage at all.

Sat reading the volumes of pages on DS re this: and a few have pointed out that this could mean:-

(a) no charge made as still awaiting forensic results & ongoing investigation but still could be number 1 suspect at the current time and has been given bail on condition until he is finally eliminated - possibly due to awaiting results on tests etc.

(b) he may have been charged with some smaller crime, totally unrelated - with the police using clever use of wording that he was released on bail makes it appear that the police still think he is connected to it - even if he is not - smoke and mirrors scenario going on.

Good point was raised on DS about the police appealing for people who may have even the smallest, apparently insignificant piece of info to please come forward. ....... After the way CJ has been castigated up till this point - anyone going near the police even with the smallest piece of info after the way this has been handled so far, would quite seriously, have to have to be insane.

Once upon a time years ago, the press were there to help police by reporting on such serious crimes, in getting the message out and appealing for help. Seems those days are long gone.

Apparently Mr Jefferies was released at 2300 gmt last night - presumably under the extension they got from the magistrates they could have legally kept Mr Jefferies in custody until 0700 am Tuesday - IMO he was let out early because they have absolutely nothing on him and can't be seen to waste further time with Mr Jefferies as a suspect whilst possibly the real culprit is still at large and before any leads go cold.

If they dont find any evidence on him which is worthy of prosecution they will just keep re bailing him every month or so for about 6 months until they eventually release him without charge or charge him.

My guess is that they havnt got a thing on him.

Christ you really can't do much more than raise a wry smile at some utter piffle that's printed:- this also from the Telegraph.

Errr.. yes. The first is called good old fashioned teaching as far as not doing what you are told to do and being reprimanded for it. That's the way it works,that's life : some teachers have a more stringent manner than others.

The second is because you were in someone's home and misbehaving - and were reprimanded and spoken because you were misbehaving. .

The actions of CJ in both these instaces offer nothing more than him remonstrating to those of a younger generation who are showing no respect to a person in authority - and more so, when you are in that person's home and not behaving appropriately. It's called being disrespectful - but I'm sure you'll understand that concept a little more when you mature a little, and have your own home that you wish ohers to respect when they are invited into it.

If CJ wishes his correct formal title (Mr, rather than Chris) to be used - he has every right to do so. I personally loathe this culture of anyone and everyone, regardless of familiarity (or rather lack of), thinking it's quite fine to use Christian names to address others. There is a reason for formality, it's called good etiquette and good social manners.

Okay police prime 'suspect' released on bail - however a 'suspect still at large' but no danger to public according to statement from police this afternoon.

Now let us look at some statistics taken from UK Home Office:

murder of female by partner/spouse 67%
murder of female by relative 10%
murder of female by acquaintance 20%
murder of female by stranger 8%

location of murder

home 65%
street/footpath 25%
other 10%

Not casting any aspersions but I think the statistics speak for themselves.

I was reading the Sunday Mirror today and they said how "obssessed" Chris Jefferies favourite poem was about a man who cut his wifes throat. Turned out it was Oscar Wilde's The Ballad of Reading Gaol, an incredibly iconic poem by one of the most acclaimed writers of recent times, and they make him out to be a monster for liking it :rolleyes:

*Cough* Sense of humour is required before reading further!

Talking of murder. I think there may be more crime committed against the English language in your post above, than any that CJ may have been guilty of.
:laugh:

Sorry - me bad. It's not smart and it's not clever. This I know, but I couldn't resist, :blush2:especially when one of Oscar Wilde's quotes was:-

A poet can survive everything but a misprint. :D

I'm quite certain you put the apology in because you omitted the word 'not' (see blue above) in your earlier post, as confirmed by your subsequent post below.

Quote:

oops meant to say '...not like his work' - apologies Mr Wilde.

I was referring to your spelling, grammar and incorrect word usage. As I say, it was a light hearted 'poke' - given that you were showing such fervour for Oscar Wilde. It matters not a jot, I simply found it amusing. None of us are perfect!

well they probably have him under surveillance so he's not much of a threat even released on bail.

Often they release suspects on bail then re-arrest them for the murder later on when they have more solid evidence. Sometimes they can actually get further evidence by releasing the suspect and following their every move and conversation. It's tactics.