i reckon all us islanders shud stick togetha... aww cmon we all watch the same big bro.! and ireland is our cool lil bro island..

stick together in football too :tongue::tongue:

thank you Kore some1 is still on the same wavelenght as I am i cant understand all this rivarly

Yeah I agree. I must admit though, I don't see the point in supporting a team just because they're not England. Shall we all have a good laugh at Scotland's performance in the World Cup? Oh no, that's right.....

But seriously - yep I agree with Kore. If Scotland, Wales or Ireland were in the World Cup, I'd be supporting them, not supporting whoever was playing them just for the sake of it.

Well, being Dutch, I don't support England anyway, although my wife is English, so if we Holland cannot win, I cheer England for her.

She got further than me this time too :rolleyes::sad::joker:

LMAO

England played poor anyway, from the start of the tournement to the end. sven is a dreadful manager, so much talent at his disposal. Germany should when it. then its all about the Premiership - COME ON YOU ROYALS!!!

OK, I read through about the first 5 pages of this thread and couldn't read anymore without posting a reply to some of the sheer stupidity that has been posted.

To put things in context, I'm not english (although my dad is), I'm from Northern Ireland, I support Man Utd, love Rooney and have never really liked C. Ronaldo, who I feel doesn't contribute enough to the team on a consistent basis.

For what it's worth, here's my two pence worth:

- There's no question that Rooney should have been sent off for stamping on the other guys nuts. It was malicious, intended to cause injury and just plain stupid.

- To those who said that the ref wasn't going to do anything until Ronaldo approached the ref, where the hell are you getting this from. :shocked: The ref was literally two foot away from Rooney when he did it, and the ref blew the whistle the second that Rooney stamped on him. It was a clear red card offence and it didn't make one bit of difference what Ronaldo said. Plus, Ronaldo never did the whole "waving the imaginary card" thing, but he was clearly (and understandably ) outraged that his fellow countryman had just had his balls stamped on. For the england fans out there, try and imagine it the other way round. You really don't think a england player would have been outraged if a portuguese player had attacked an england player in the same way?

- To those idiots (and yes, mod me for calling fellow forum users idiots) who are encouraging people to send hate mail to the ref, wise the ****** up, will ya? The ref had no option but to send Rooney off, but even if he was completely biased and one-sided that is no reason to subject anyone to that kind of treatment. It's happened in the past, when the ref who had disallowed a Campbell goal late in an international game recieved death threats and even had idiotic england fans turn up at his home town (in Switzerland, I think) and shout abuse outside his flippin home! The guy had to get security arranged just to be able to live in his own home. Thats not funny, it's not even understandable, it's downright disgusting and no one should be advocating the same to any person but particularly this ref who did nothing wrong in sending Rooney off.

- Carragher took his penalty before the whistle, so it had to be re-taken. His own fault.

- The hyprocrisy and irony in Alan (lead with the elbow) Shearer and Ian (stamp on the goalkeeper) Wright going on as if the english league is some haven of perfection, saying you would never see a player in the premiership trying to get another player sent off, was astounding. Two of the dirtiest players and biggest divers in recent years criticising someone for something they used to do on a regular basis. Complete w*****s the two of them.

These are the reasons why people outside England (and even some english people I know) cannot support or even like the england national team. This is why people avidly want england to lose. When they lose, it's always someone else's fault. Maybe they should look a bit more closely and realise the person to blame is Rooney. Or Sven for his poor tactics and motivational skills. Or for the english players in general, who had played rubbish in every game and never looked like they deserved to even make it that far in the tournament, never mind make it any further.

Seriously, I am outraged, disgusted and genuinely surprised at some of the rubbish that has been spouted in this thread. :bored:

Respect!

:thumbs:

http://home.skysports.com/worldcup/e...ay&hlid=400249

Trying to encourage people to send hate mail to the ref is disgraceful, disgusting and shameful behaviour. People who are doing that ought to be downright ashamed of themselves.

But I still think that supporting a team for the sole reason that they are not England is a strange attitude to have. This has been happening since before the first game they played in this tournament.

Put it this way - if I said I wasn't going to support Imogen or Glyn in the BB house because they are Welsh (and I stress that this is NOT the case - I really haven't been watching BB this year apart from the odd episode), that would be completely unreasonable wouldn't it?

I can understand people on this thread getting heated - after all a lot of people were crushed when England were knocked out of the World Cup, so for someone to come on here gloating about it the day after they were knocked out could be seen as being insensitive, and it's bound to upset people. However, that is NO excuse whatsoever for some of the flamatory (sp) things that have been said in the thread.

I wont bother watching international England football matches in future, If the ref is Argentinian/German/Scottish/Irish etc the result is a forgone conclusion before kick off..........
Italians make good unbiased ref's though.

This is the kind of rubbish that I was referring to in my post. it's never the english teams fault that they lost, no it's the refs. What complete c**p.

You've just generalised about at least 4 different countries there, condemning every ref from those countries as being biased and basically a cheat, and you've done it with no evidence at all. It's bordering on racism to make such generalised sweeping comments about people from other countries and as an irish man, I find your comments to be ill-advised, without foundation and offensive.

I hear the people who dragged a disabled man out of his car and beat him because he was wearing an England shirt in Scotland (or displaying an England badge on his car), are to be done for racially aggravated assault if they get caught. Same goes for the 7 year old boy who was assaulted in Edinburgh because he was wearing an England shirt. I think it's fair enough for these people to be done for racially aggravated assault.

i wasnt born cynical but the evidence my eyes have witnessed have turned me that way. like seeing an Argentinian player laughing his ass off as he took the dive that cost australia going through to the next round.
some countries players are just natural born cheats. some countries are more corrupt than others. such is life. all im saying is i wont watch England play against certain countries anymore if i can smell the match officials bias from a mile away.

on the news: it was reported that ronaldos house in manchester has been covered in england flags, posters, etc.......english fans have also coverd his garden in english flags.
he is also reported not going to play for manchester unit again.

oh and by the way Ive nothing against the Northern irish team, or fans. Im half Irish myself and been a fan of Roy K since he played for forest. Now thats one player i wish was English....England would have won a few tournements with him on side.

good riddance! hehe.

HAHAHA good the stupid git..hes never gonna play for another Englisg club again!..although vandalising his house isnt very nice

my opinion is that english teams such as manchester unit should'nt have such people has ronaldo playing for them
as man.U (an ENGLISH team) pay for his training, and pay him an amazing wage to make him a better football player,
and then he plays against us..?......

Yeah thats a good point...we made him better! stupidness :conf:

As I said before Ronaldo is the scapegoat for England's defeat, nothing more.

What he did is something many players, including English, do.

If it wasn't Ronaldo that was the scapegoat it would be the referee (like in 2004 with Urs Meier) or something else.

Well said James, some common sense at last!!

And this is the evidence on which you base your opinion that all Argentine, Scottish, Irish etc refs are biased and are gonna cheat when refereeing an england game!! Have you anymore evidence or is your opinion just based on conjecture and racially motivated mistrust?

And, Argentina never had any influence over Australia qualifying. I think the game you're referring to is the Italy - Australia game where the stupid Australian defender threw himself at the Italian running at him in the box and got nowhere near the ball. It was a penalty.

Or what about the spot on, dead cert penalty that Argentina were denied (the player actually got booked for diving) in the Argentina - Germany game which stopped Argentina going through.

As for the suggestion that english clubs shouldn't have foreign players, I don't want to be rude, but in my opinion, thats just rather silly. It would be against the principles of the free movement of labour within the European Union, it would be isolationist and would ensure that english football would be rubbish to watch and ineffective in european club competitions.

ah get a grip.... you dont like England, why dont you just admit it? funny because id always support an irish team over their oppononts, not many irish people would say the same about England eh. mind you thats all down to religion...... same old same old rangers/celtic arguements and nonsense, its not just the english with slight prejudice when it comes to football eh.

I think to be fair, football fans in England are far more passionate than the Scottish or Irish fans. I think Scots and Irish (and Welsh) are used to failure, and England, a massive footballing nation, demand more.

I think reaching the Quarter Finals was a good achievement, considering we only reached Round 2 :blush2: But we only havd 16.5m people :blush2:

But facts are, football is corrupt, whether it's the World Cup or the Scottish Highland League, it's all corrupt.

As for Saturday, well only Rooney will know if he meant to step on Carvalho.

You can't really say about what referee's you get, but all referee's are human, so they will have favourite teams and nations like you or I. I did find it very odd, an Argentinian in charge of England though.

One thing you must also remember, the Italians, Germans and French are worse than the English. They have in depth analysis at any exit, and the demand winning the World Cup...........anything less is not good enough.

Bigger nations have bigger demands, I am from a relatively small nation, we have biggish demands, but when we get knocked out, it lasts a few days and then we move on.

The question is, where do you draw the lines of racism? I'd find it racist of we were to play England, and a German or Belgian stuck an English flag in their avatar. Some would use it in jest, but over the internet, you never know if anyone is talking the truth or lying.

Either way, we have our 4 semi finalists, and based on the teams, squad of players and recent performances, Italy or Portugal must not win the trophy, or you may as well tell all players to go out and try and break people's legs (Deco on Heitinga) and/or dive (Grosso the most famous) and/or headbutt opponents (De Rossi)

Germany v France..............please!

yep totally agree with the dutch viewpoint, In fact I like the dutch attitude to the game, fair and sportsmenlike. was a shame to see Holland go out the competition.
when it comes down to it anyone who really believes the winner of this world cup is the best team in the world is very deluded. too many excellent teams were driven out by dodgy refereeing and cheating players in other teams.

Italy vs Germany looked a decent game from what I saw of it, even players getting straight up after being fouled, what a refreshing change that was.I was certain it was going to penalties but two good goals by Italy and I think they will proably go on to win the world cup now, they just look so solid defensivly and have strength in depth on the bench.