Doubt all you like but I know what people tell me to my face and I am hearing that more and more.

Not at all,they go on all the time, and the worrying thing is the people who think that way are the people who will certainly go out to vote, no matter when the referendum is held.

You're clearly exaggerating when they say, you've spoken to so many people who say they think brexit "will bring an end to all unwanted immigration."

I don't believe all these people worded it like that. No doubt many think it will be more controlled, though illegal I migrants will slip through the net. The liberals will continue to paint the euro sceptics as racists. Whilst seemingly overlooking the fact there are over 3000 estimated terrorists in the uK now and ignoring the vast abuses by radical muslims across the Uk and the western world.The 320000+ people murdered by these terrorists worldwide last year, the child abuses across Rotherham for over a decade, the brainwash in some schools , the rapes and molestations etc etc

I think you want to be careful how you word things and stop inferring and calling people liars.

You challenge others on their posts yet hardly ever substantiate a lot of your claims and statistics.
I live and breathe politics, I talk to loads of people and not just people who think like me because I like to hear opposing and other views from anyone who at least shows respect to other people.

How I word anything that anyone may say to me is how they said it to me,so kindly stop questioning my integrity and inferring people are either stupid, that they don't know what others have said to them or that they are lying.

You really are one of the most offensive people on here,'in my opinion only admittedly' which is why I in the main avoid even conversing with you,however once you question me as to my posts with insulting inferences then I have to respond if only to not let you or others on here think you may even be 0.1% right.
So kindly cut out inferring anyone would lie on here as to what people say to them when they talk to them.
It stuns me you still get away with it so often.

However back on topic, at least your posts on here just convince me more and more as to how right I feel as to voting to stay in the EU. So well done for that.

On the subject of businesses being affected by leaving europe, our current trading partners will still want to trade, they make money from the deal too, so why would they stop. We may be subject to some import/export restrictions, but there have always been ways to get round those, so no difference there. Consumers may see some localised price fluctuations, but those will likely be offset with there being fewer EU regulations to be complied with. So, localised changes yes, overall bad for business, I think not, and to suggest otherwise is scaremongering.

I still don't believe you ps as for you voting to stay in he EU to spite people like me that really says it all lol How does the introduction of sharia law as a result of mass immigration sit with you? laws which massively discriminate against all muslim women? just 1 example of the EU you support

What is the connection between sharia law and the EU?

I just explained it in the simplest terms possible just for you lol

I was hoping to post a quite comprehensive post tonight (well the last 2 days really) detailing just why I want out, but I woke up at 2.20 am after just 3 hours sleep and have just come in from a 11 hour shift - working on my own non stop bloody plastering - and I am quite knackered. I guess Old Father Time is finally catching up with me. :bawling:

I don't get how sharia law will end if we leave the EU? I missed that.

You are just really being insulting now and should not really be worth any of my time and effort.

What unrelated tripe are you trying to bring into the debate now for goodness sake.
I couldn't care one jot whether you believe what I post or not,it is however a bit rich coming from someone who flies in with all sorts of statements that at times are not even related to the thread in question but which also seem to be wild statements.

I said because of the way you present things as an 'out' person, with insults and personal attacks on others opinions with not an ounce of respect for them as equal members and people too,that is what helps convince me that your arguments are lost on me,because of how you present and say things as to others, not necessarily what the content may be.

You are a businessman and clearly educated,however your attitude to others on here is,in my view, totally disgusting and should be absolutely unacceptable at times too.

Nor me, quite frankly.

Every single issue around immigration will seemingly be resolved by leaving the EU. Immigration is necessary for the UK's growth, and it will continue regardless of whether we are in the EU or not. Also, for every immigrant we reduce the benefits payments for, we will pay out with the other hand supporting all the ex pats we have currently in Europe (most of whom are retired and won't be contributing to the wealth of the community)

All the immigrant debate is being taken from one viewpoint only, and its not even close to an accurate and balanced representation of reality.

If we do end up out of Europe, and immigration proves to be the decisive reason, it will all have been for nothing, zip, zilch.

I totally agree with you.

I think the line of thinking is that the more Muslims you allow into the country the more likely they are to try to implement Muslim law into the politics of Britain.

...which makes sense to me. That seems logical doesn't it?

Yes, but the population of Europe is not muslim, so exiting europe will have next to no effect on proportions of muslims within the UK. People seem to think that if we exit Europe, all immigration stops, and it quite simply doesn't. The association with Europe and muslims is misguided. If we are subject to illegal immigration, then exiting europe will have no effect on that either. There is way to much misunderstanding and/or lack of knowledge of the real issues.

Thanks that's just what I was referring to.

Held up by petty Greece
and now Poland buggering it up.

8PM is now Confirmed Dinner

so it goes on after that.


Ref: SkyNewsHD, BBCNewsHD, CNN ,
Radio5 , LBC

Just confirmed, unanimous support for the UK EU deal!

What does this mean?

it means that Cameron has successfully negotiated a better deal for the UK in the EU, now it will trigger the referendum here

To be really fair to him, he has in my view done a good job here.
He has got more than I believed he would and I applaud his determination and persistence to get a 'real' deal and not a fudge.

I don't think he could really fail. If the EU folks had said get stuffed, the referendum would have been a runaway out vote

23 June

Vote In or Out

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35616768
Has anyone heard any news today?