i want a Green and Labour coalition but i doubt thats gonna happen :tongue:

It could happen now that Millibland has said he won't work with the SNP live on television.Hope for his sake he does'nt go back on that.

He will work with the SNP, in my view, he will have to I think to secure the overall majority status he needs.
In fact both he or Cameron would have to,the way things look like they are going.
Unless there is a really big shift back to Labour in Scotland, no matter what either of the 2 main parties are saying now,it is very likely neither could be able to govern at all,no matter what seats all other parties have,without some arrangement with the SNP on voting in the Commons.

Not a full coalition but the SNP's votes will be definitely needed I would say.

I never understand any leader of a party ruling out working with others in parliament, the future of elections are uncertain and the results once known can present all sorts of problems as to 'arrangements'.

Even if I was not supporting Labour in this election, I would be still be annoyed at the attempts of 'demonising' the SNP,in particular by the Conservatives, if the Scottish nation ended up electing 40 to 50 SNP MPs,it would be a total disgrace in my view, to ignore and dismiss the legitimacy of their importance in that new parliament after a democratic election.

You can have a working arrangement whereby a min govt; is supported by voting but no real 'formal' working together situation.
Ruling any of that out, when the result is still unknown,is not the wisest thing to do.

I think Miliband is hoping the tide can turn enough to make it, that he and the Lib Dems would be able to come together really,that depends solely on how many seats the Lib Dems can really hold onto.
For me however, I would rather anyday trust the SNP now over the Lib Dems,so I still hope for a min. Labour govt; supported informally by the SNP.
Just for the connection as to the better policies they both have overall.

:joker: Am I stupid Joey? :laugh:

Off topic - and on the subject of Cameron and TRUST - have you heard the news this morning?

Seemingly unrelated articles;

Mortgage rates to fall. HSBC announces 5 year Fixed Rate Mortgage below 2%.

UK Exports to grow dramatically by 5.9% this year according to top 'Independent' (lol) Think Tank, (Ernst & Young) E.Y. ITEM CLUB.

Such FREAKY Synchronicity (sorry LT) Such COINCIDENCE --- On the eve of an ELECTION and here we have a DOUBLE WHAMMY of absolutely FANTASTIC NEWS.

Massively discounted Social Housing sales, Massively discounted Bank Shares sales, Massively Rising exports, Massive Reduction in Mortgage Rates ---

Kirk wanders off in a stupor - half delirious, his brain a muddle of thoughts and phrases; 'Deus ex machina', 'White Rabbit From Hat' .... Oh! It's all too wonderful.... Disappears over the horizon.. Then; Kirk's wonderful baritone voice singing : "Oh What a beautiful Morning", 'O Happy Days" . "Everything's Coming Up Roses" ....... SILENCE.... followed by a solitary gunshot.

Actually while out campaigning today again it is amazing the comments I have had as to where has all this good news and more money come from with David Cameron.
Voters are getting very suspicious towards him I think, and in my view,rightly so.

I get some really negative stuff as to Labour and Ed Miliband too but there does seem to be suspicions that are daily getting stronger that David Cameron is not being in anyway honest at all.
Just about everyone I get into this with,is really suspicious and thinks it unacceptable for the Conservatives to say they will save 12 billion on welfare but refuse to say what and who they will hit,before the election.

I also wish I had just £1 for every person who has said to me over this weekend, that if they could do so,they would vote SNP in England.

Genuinely wouldn't mind a Labour/Lib Dem/Green/SNP coalition, even if that would be like 65% of seats when they only need about 50 :laugh:

Perched for a tory, ukip, britain first, combat 18, icf, edl coalition

:flutter:

None of them, this time around. I'm inclined to say Tories purely because they've been the least terrible in this campaign. Who would have thought David Cameron would look like the strongest candidate in this election.

I don't feel he does, conspicuous in his absence maybe but not strong.

No SNP
are Not wanted by Fecking Labour

I don't know how else to put it - everyone else is hopelessly crap, Cameron's just kind of below-averagely-tiding-things-over as Prime Minister which, if he was against a strong candidate, would mean curtains - but he's not, so he looks better than the rest IMO.

I do think Nicola Sturgeon is coming off really well but I don't think she's got a hope in hell of forming a coalition with anyone so that's probably why she's going balls to the wall and looking so brilliant.

How would you define 'hopelessly crap'? We have nothing to judge anyone else by, we know however that Cameron has fudged his way through the last 5yrs selling off what he could and not making a dent in the deficit.

Their campaigns for the general election, obviously. What else would I be talking about? Ed Miliband has been defensively trying to stamp his feet and tell everyone he's ready to be Prime Minister like the dozy little brother he is. Nick Clegg's had his tail between his legs for years since the students that voted him into the coalition angrily called him out for double crossing them. UKIP is crashing down around Nigel Farage with each passing day so no point commenting on them, it was a fad for angry people. In short - David Cameron looks the least stupid, therefore looks the most capable by default. He's not ****ed the country up and we are seeing signs of recovery in recent months which have come just in the nick of time for his campaign spiels.

I cant see me voting at this stage, I cant stand any of them

Well, seeing as Ed has explained the difference in his and his brothers politics several times I'm shocked that there's still some in the UK who haven't had their concerns clarified on that issue.
He has set out already his key policies not only in the manifesto but also submitted them for parliamentary scrutiny, for me that is better than all the scandal mongering, backbiting, empty promises and wild claims I've seen from the current govt as to their next term.There's nothing that they've suggested will be implemented that's accounted for either in the budget or clarified by the OBR or IFS, therefore it can only be taken as hot air imo.

Thats OK
around 20Million or more are with you

Speaking personally only obviously,I acually would say this is the poorest performance by any sitting Prime Minister there has likely ever been.

I have only actually watched elections since 1997,and I was only 5 for that one but my Dad let me stay up all night to watch it
I love hearing people tell me about how elections used to be, where PMs got heckled endlessly and the politicians were all over the place trying to win votes.

This campaign and this Prime Minister,forgetting his running away from regular encounters directly with his political opponents,has been atrocious.
All through he has really not revealed a single important detail as to what he is going to do and where in the future if he won.
He still, despite having over 2 years to think about it,has not even said what it is he 'might' be re-negotiating as to the EU.

There is the welfare cuts of 12 billion, that people most vulnerable, sick and disabled know he has said will be done, however he is making them wait in anxiety as to what it is he will cut, when and against which sections of the sick and disabled will he hit.
It has to be against them and jobseekers, as he has said, no pensioners or the extras pensioners get will be touched at all.
To admire a man that would let the most vulnerable worry about what was to happen and for him to say they 'have ' to wait until after the eelction before they are told, is,for me, a total disgrace.

He has plucked things out of the air, never said before,such as the 8 billion for the NHS,where has he found that all of a sudden,we again are not going to be told until after the election.
Is it more deep cutting, or is it maybe from some private source,buying into the NHS to take over some aspects of care,at a price.
Is this some part of the shelved re-organisation,(which he blatantly lied about doing in 2010), he had to remove from the reforms done in this parliament, that he dare not also reveal before the election is over.

He has allowed a largely negative and personalised campaign against Miliband, and now the SNP.
What is really however the difference with Labour doing a SNP deal or him doing a deal with the DUP, a largely still sectarian party in the UK.
Sorry but not much in my view.

He ridicules the defence plans of Labour but he has presided over the 'sacking' of soldiers,planned while on duty in Afghanistan too, he also refuses to commit to pledging 2% of gdp to defence spending.
Again keeping vague as to his intentions on defence, except for the full renewal of trident.

He has told the voters nothing at all, he is doing all sorts of photo shoots here and there but giving no details as to anything to really anyone.
Yet he is the one in the know, he is the PM, he has all the figures to hand,he actually said more of what he would do when he was the opposition.

It is understandable that oppositions cannot be totally sure of what they will achieve but the govt; of the day has all info and advice at its fingertips.
Yet he is getting away with revealing nothing to voters at all and is admired for that!!.

I think he has fought a dismal campaign for a PM, he acts like he is ashamed of his record in govt; not proud of it.
For me he is the worst leader of any party at present and he is for me, the likely worst PM the UK has had, for his endless procrastination on policy and deliberate avoidance of informing the voters of his true intentions too.

More terrible is, he calls achieving about half of his original promises and targets successes,his immigration targets gone massively wrong, stupid to make at the time but this weak and hopeless leader made the pledges all the same as to it, deriding all others records too.

He also derided Labour for only wanting to cut the deficit by half,saying it had to be 'all' cleared by 2015 or that would be disastrous for the UK,he has taken half off it,only by manipulating how the deficit is now measured as to the economy, which is different to how it was measured in 2010.
Still only half off at best.

Is there any point in going on, it would fill probably 4 pages at least of this thread if I were to.
This however could be seen by anyone as him being the best on this campaign, really, god help us all and the UK too then.

One thing he has revealed to us of course,is something very close to his heart,he will try to make foxhunting legal again.
I mentioned that to a group of people I was taking to while campaigning today, their response was, ''NO surely he isn't''.
I said he sure is, it is in his manifesto, they were absolutely horrified.

I actually do think that policy is right for him however,because it sums him up, he will use a pack to weaken and bring down those he doesn't like or respect.
He is happy to gloat at those left with no chance of defence.
It fits wonderfully with his heartless and cruel streak he directs against those he sees of no worth at all.
The jobless, the sick, disabled and most vulnerable.
Who he is planning to attack again with 12 billion pounds worth of extra cuts, likely to their benefits.

If ever a PM was the least worthy ever to be returned to power, then this is the one.
He is hiding,cowering from the big issues all the time.
He will only be able to confidently scream all the detail out as to such cuts and policies, when, were he to win god forbid, he will have his baying pack behind him as he does so in the Commons.

The best in the campaign, for crying out loud, he might as well not be there at all for what he is actually doing and saying that tells the voters anything.

er Gordon Brown

hello

Well even he,Gordon Brown told the voters more in 2010 than Cameron has done, in fact he told them 'too' much more after his being caught talking off camera with the microphones left on.

At least he said much more of what he would do if returned to power and how too,with details as to same.

This PM is so frightened of the slightest slip up, he is just in effect doing and saying nothing at all.
That is really pathetic.

I dont think he covered himself in glory regarding the referendum that is for sure

What has the referendum got to do with this general election campaign?
That is what is being discussed on this thread.

the referendum is a very hot election topic. Ever since NS did not rule another out.

I passed 3 large YES banners in fields tonite

left intentionally

A new referendum on independence is 'not' in the SNP manifesto published today.
No main party would agree to one and in fact, since the SNP have left it out of their manifesto today, they haven't the authority to ask for one again either.

3 or even 3003 banners cannot alter that fact.

So no referendum is on the cards and that will be what all main parties say is the case very strongly too to any such question.

As it happens since I think Scotland was 'tricked' for want of a better word.
I think another should be allowed in the future, especially if there is not the full deliverance of more powers promised by all 3 main parties.

This sums it up really, the standard of the political candidates on offer is just dreadful. Even in the Conservative and Labour party's they have less than a handful of socially acceptable people to put in front of the media. There is absolutely no depth of talent anywhere to be found