Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 9851593)

Yeah, this argument gets used quite a bit during discussions regarding whether or not feminism has gone too far. The simple answer is that they're not feminists. Special treatment is not what feminism is about at all. The sooner we can all accept that, the sooner we can all stop assuming that actual feminists are the same as them, and conjuring up criticisms that do not apply to them.

Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 9851631)

I know that's why they're called "feminazi's" because they abuse the true meaning of feminism. I still don't like the word feminism but that's my preference.

However I'm a woman that supports equal rights for both genders absolutely. And I hear stories of women feeling pressured for example to wear high heels in the work place , things like that shock and get me angry .

If I was in that situation I'd tell the person to F off if they were making it mandatory to wear high heels etc then I'd quit the job and complain, it's 21st century not the 1950's with pointy bra's .

By all means sensible shoes ,and appropriate clothing. But there's some women that can't wear heels for medical reasons .

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9851538)

Many women in this country are treat like dirt and repressed because they are female tbh. Yes its much worse in many other countries, but I am kind of sick of this assumption that because we have laws that are equal in this country now that women have it just fine and dandy. They don't.

No, its not quite as bad as it used to be. But its not good, nor anywhere NEAR equal either.

Originally Posted by Marches (Post 9851639)

Both genders are treated poorly
All races are treated poorly
Gay people are treated poorly for being gay and in the flip side straight people are treated poorly for being straight

The merit for movements like this back when the treatment of woman was appalling and they outright didn’t have rights was fine, but because of social media the movement has lost its focus and has become rather obsolete. I had feminism shoved down my throat purely because am a woman multiple times and they get offended when I say I’m not. They try to make out to other woman that they’re victims and that they should feel bad, it’s like an oppression olympics.

The fact is, the treatment of women in the first world is far from perfect, sure, but it’s so much better than it’s ever been, and in certain both real life and online circles and in certain rights, woman now have the upper hand. Weve moved past the point where we need mass protests and movements and such for gender equality because it’s regressive considering the point we are in society.

Why can’t we all just label ourselves as good human beings and do our part in making sure EVERYONE has rights and an equal playing field regardless of colour or sexuality or gender, not just certain people? Why do we feel the need to wear labels like feminism on our shirts and claim ‘I’m for equality if ur not a feminist ur not pro equality’? It’s so regressive it literally achieves nothing and it’s created a generation of people with victim complexes

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9851650)

And yes, people are treat poorly for a variety of reasons. But there is systematic sexism against women, like there is systematic racism against POC, and there is systematic homophobia against gay people. Single people are single people and are not responsible for the overwhelming sexism, racism and homophobia thats rampant in society, unless they themselves are sexist, racist, homophobic (and a lot of people are without realising it too..unconcious bias). But denying that disadvantaged groups are disadvantaged really does noone any favours.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9851588)

I did start one about Labour electing a 19 year old male as their womans officer where I went into a lot of this. Have started a few on this issue actually. I started a thread about the serious threats I had recieved for donating to a fundraiser that was against self ID...my issue at the moment with this stuff (and why I tend to keep talk to PM now..though do sometimes have outbursts on the main board) is that they are already combing the net for social media accounts to link. I have had to delete a bunch of older posts incase they managed to link my account here to the other ones they have a spreadsheet on..there are entire groups of people trying to dox women who speak out about this, and unfortunately I am one of the ones on 'the list'. As I said I made a thread about that, but thought against it and deleted it as it may help them link this account to the others they have on their spreadsheet. So I need to try and control myself a bit when ranting about this, just incase. I THINK I have deleted all posts that mention where I actually live or anything that would make me identifiable...but I am not totally sure (as I cannot realistically go back over 55k posts) so I am a bit worried that I haven't. I have no issue talking about it. I do have an issue when they may take it a little further than the rape/death threats I have already recieved and actually turn up at my house or something :S If I didn't have the kids, this would not bother me, but I have to think about their safety too and these nutter are..well..extremist nutters.

I will think about it. Issue is, most papers and such are not reporting on it, the times does regular coverage but its paywalled. Daily mail does coverage sometimes but its..the daily mail and is often from an actual transphobic angle rather than pro-womens rights angle. Share tokens on the times only last for so long, and I don't think I am allowed to paste the entire article. And with no sources, I will be accused of making it up :laugh: Hell even with sources sometimes I am accused of making it up

Originally Posted by Marches (Post 9851659)

Everyone experiences systematic sexism to an extent. I could outline both sides but I think they should be pretty obvious

Also in response to ur post above, divorse settlements child custody battles access to domestic abuse shelters favoured in sexual abuse cases (in a lot men are often guilty until proven innocent)

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9851642)

How are straight people treated poorly for being straight? that's absolutely not true

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9851665)

Divorce settlements are usually because of child custody issues (ie whichever parent has custody of children will get the house, speaking broadly) which I will move onto in a sec

Child custody, again is not because of sex, its down to who, before the split, did the majority of childcare. Its to make sure the childrens lives are disrupted as little as possible. If more men did the lionshare of child related things, then they would win more custody battles. Luckily, with paternity leave and such being increased and more and more families being 'less traditional' (ie woman works, father is in the house) this will even out. But again, not disadvantaged due to sex. If me and my husband split tomorrow, he would 100% 'get the kids' if we ended up going through the courts.

Domestic abuse shelters yes. But this is because the majority of people needing shelters are women. There should be more for men of course but its a supply and demand thing tbh. I don't want to be hoping for more male victims of serious DV so that refuges are 50/50 tbh

Sexual abuse cases, wow. Near all sexual abuse is committed by men. And most get off with it. So not sure that proves your point at all. I completely disagree with guilty until proven innocent. But this very very rarely happens.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9851677)

Shelters for battered women is always brought into the discussion, as is the fact that more is spent on breast cancer than on prostate cancer. The simple fact is that women fundraise for these causes. Yes a certain amount of funding is available... but I've been to countless dinners, bought loads of draw tickets etc., raising money for victims of domestic abuse, Breast Cancer Care... I drove a bloody tractor covered in pink bows a couple of years ago to raise money for breast cancer. I've never once been approached to contribute to any kind of fundraising that's been organised by men, for men.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9851719)

Happy to pass the tin round to collect for my visit to Hooters :hee:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9851636)

**** medical reasons, they're really uncomfortable, that should be enough reason imo!

Totally offtopic, I always assumed you were male :laugh: sorry

Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 9851783)

Yeah the fact they're uncomfortable is enough reason. But there is some women who have other problems etc that's why I said medical reasons. And no I'm female :hee: what made you think otherwise?? .

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9851786)

I have no idea :laugh: I think lots of people thought I was male too when I first joined

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9851789)

Some members I get so wrong, I read them as very male and they turn out to be women. Others I read as female, and it turns out they are male. And some, I read as male, they claim they are female for ages and ages, and then it turns out they were male all along :D

I think avatars with newer members does this too. Once you get to know someone a bit more it seems more obvious...obviously. But I do tend to assume that those with male avatars are male and such, even when the avatars are of BB contestants.

Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 9851790)

I knew you were female , you're Irish too aren't you ? . But sometimes it's hard to know who's male & female on here :joker: .

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9852363)

Ew ew ew

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42912529

I didn't want to make a new thread as what on earth would I put in the OP, but this is gross and it kind of fits in a thread thats moved onto if feminism is needed today in this country.