In today's Metro a group of feminists invaded a men-only swimming session at a pool, used the men's changing rooms and when challenged stated they self identified as males.

They are calling for women to be consulted about the proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act and they were highlighting the ridiculous and dangerous move towards self-identification. Well done them I say - about time someone did something like this to highlight these issues.

Fair play I guess... I haven't heard anything about a women self identifying as a man, I wonder if it happens?

Yes, this is happening every friday apparently. Man Friday. Tempted to buy one of the badges actually, its a fantastic idea and does show up this 'self ID' nonsense for what it is. I kind of know Amy (the one who was in the photoshoots in the press who actually went topless during the mens session) and she has done a lot of interviews about this today and yesterday.

I am considering taking part in the Hampstead Heath one when the weather is warmer. Given the womens pond is now open to 'anyone who identifies as a woman' (despite there being a mixed sex pool anyway) its only fair that the mens is open to anyone who identifies as a man, when entering the pool.

I see this as the only way to stop the madness tbh, women can shout about it til they are blue in the face but until it affects men, nothing will happen.

And this is NOT about actual trans people. Its about Swim Englands ridiculous guidance that states that anyone can identify as either sex and use their areas..and anyone who complains must be 'educated' by the staff, which is clearly bonkers.

... of course it happens :suspect:

I haven't heard of any, I was just reading this article it's very interesting

https://theconversation.com/why-self...r-gender-57924

Did you not watch Deana's series of big brother? What do you think Luke A (the winner) was before a man that identified as a man?!

Luke was actually transsexual though. Big difference between being transsexual and simply 'identifying' as the opposite sex.

Cheers sis... I mean cis ;)

I'd imagine most that 'identify' as the opposite sex either want to, or plan to have a sex change... unless they're being willfully obnoxious to make some sort of point..

Well not really some people like to appear as the opposite sex without ever fully transitioning don't they?

Transexuals, transvestites..

You would be wrong. Thats kind of the point of the protests. 'Trans' is a useless term and means nowt. Sex segregated areas are segregated by sex, not 'gender'. Transsexuals, fine. Any bloke saying he is a woman(usually claiming to be a lesbian too)...nope

:laugh2:

I mean, a transexual is defined by the fact that they transistion their sex? So..
Do transvestites identify as the other sex? I dont know much about them tbf. Seems retro.

According to stonewalls definition of trans, transvestites are included. Along with drag queens, masculine women, feminine men, and so on. Thats what I mean by 'transgender' is a useless term. I am classed as bloody trans.

There is a huge difference between someone under the huge 'transgender' umbrella, and someone who is actually transsexual.

And yes, a lot of transvestites say they are women and want access to womens spaces...part of the fetish I guess for some. And many 'normal' guys just claim to 'feel like' women and expect others to play along.These kinds of people are who I want to keep out. Not transsexuals.

if i was in charge of a leisure centre it would be cocks in there and fannies in there

any other bother and your banned

end of

they don't all fully transition it's personal choice isn't it?

Sounds like a sane, common sense system to me.

:joker: This is how things should be really isn't it. Signs on the doors 'penis people this way' 'vulva people that way'. Would be a lot easier. though tbh, male and female are the same thing really. No idea how so many cannot understand that it is separated by bloody sex, not some random feeling in your head. Once someone has actually transitioned, fair enough. But until then, no penises in female spaces.

“Fully transition” ?

What?do some just get the bolloxs cut off and call it a day?

I feel like the conversation is more about individuals which makes general umbrella words meaningless. I'd take a common sense approach, I don't personally think a drag queen or a transvestite should be allowed in a womans area unless they were actively planning on transistioning in the near future. In an ideal world, there would be a third changing room / bathroom option.

Would you be happy for Harvey Wienstein to have access to the female changing room, if he decided to transition?

Indeed. I have been saying this for ****ing ages. Where possible, add a unisex option.

Until then, men will have to accept gender non conforming men in their spaces tbh. Who cares if the guy next to you has a skirt on or whatever? Hes still a bloke.

Even if someone is 'planning on transitioning', until they actually transition, they use the correct space for their sex.

Transsexuals should have the option to use the space of the sex have tried to become. But otherwise, nope nope nope. Which is why I say no to 'self ID'.

Good question! There are lots of Weinsteins out there.

Well lesbian sex offenders would be allowed in the bathroom? And gay sex offenders would be allowed in yours? Not much you can do to stop that?

Its people like that who will take advantage of businesses adopting this self ID thing.