Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9955544)

People dislike "travellers" for good reason

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9955551)

The police issue is complicated because while it would be great if these people would stop, the police can only act within the bounds of what is or isn't illegal. Placing flowers in public (for any reason) is not illegal, so the police can't force them to stop doing it.

Its like... I've had a few addicts fall asleep in my shop, and refuse to leave... and had to call the police for assistance. As its technically a licensed premises, the police CAN forcibly remove them from the shop, but as soon as they're a foot outside the door, they have to let them go - because they haven't actually broken any law. They usually end up passed out on the bench 3 meters from the door. Which isn't ideal, but at least it's out of the shop. But yeah my point is; until they break a law, the police can't do anything about it, sadly... So they're just trying to get it to blow over without incident.

Ifbthe residents are feeling harassed or threatened though, could they potentially apply for a restraining order or similar? Then the police can remove people who violate the order. We have a trespass order against 5 or 6 individuals. Although I'm unsure about how one gets a restraining order against several people / without knowing their names.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9955563)

Slightly off topic but still on topic Dr Pam Spur was the Psychologist on the 5 Live phone in about this topice this morning :skull: Thought you would like to know that LT

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9955560)

tbf they are tying the tributes to someones property, they are not laying them on the pavement.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9955568)

:omgno:

Not the ...Sperminator?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9955574)

I think (I'm not sure, though) that that would be some sort of civil issue rather than a criminal one, so the owner of the property would probably have to get some sort of cease & desist type thing before the police could act? I'm sure there are weird laws about gardens, like it's not trespassing for someone to walk through your garden to knock your door, but would be if they entered your home... But you still can tell people to leave your garden because it's not a public space, either. :think:.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9955608)

If the police shot an ISIS terrorist and then the terrorist family came and lay flowers at the scene, there would be outrage and there would be lynching if it was repeated.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9955608)

If the police shot an ISIS terrorist and then the terrorist family came and lay flowers at the scene, there would be outrage and there would be lynching if it was repeated.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9955557)

They can dislike whoever they like, alot of people dislike alot of people, if the crime was committed by any other group we wouldn't be dragging everyone associated with that group through the mud that is the point I am making, it wouldn't be tolerated on the forum.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9955482)

...but yet no ‘angered resident’ has stated that to the media in anything they’ve said with their reasoning also, so far as I can see ...that burglaries are an issue in that area...which is interesting also...actually I’m just having thoughts about the Tony Martin case...with one of the first things said there in the media...’that travellers had been a problem in the area’ leading up to...

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9955646)

I sort of think that's over the top though. I mean what this guy was doing was immoral and awful, but he was a petty thief / fraudster... Not a mass murderer or terrorist.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9955659)

He was a person with a long string of convictions for preying on vulnerable people. Let's not paint him pink. You've got to be pretty hard faced to cheat and rob the vulnerable. And let's not forget he went into that home with a weapon.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9955664)

I'm not "painting him pink", I said he was doing things that were immoral and awful, but they're still not on par with mass murder or terrorism. In my opinion obviously. I guess some people might think they are :shrug:.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9955670)

Oh it's only intent to murder and grevious bodily harm. I get it now. :shrug:

I am bemused why some people feel a need to try to excuse someone who went into someone elses house with a weapon.

Weapon = intent. Let's not kid ourselves. That struggle in that kitchen was a struggle for survival.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9955671)

So you do think it's on a par with mass murder or terrorism?

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9955674)

If the intention is to do harm it is the same intention, isn't it?

Is an elderly person's life at home worth less somehow?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9955691)

No, and again (despite apparent desperation to claim that I am) I'm not making excuses for the guy nor am I saying it's wrong that he was stabbed..

... But I find the assertion that a burglary with a screwdriver (which shows willingness to cause physical harm, not intent) is as bad as mass murder or terrorism to be pretty out there. But it's your opinion and I'm not trying to force you to change it? My opinion is that, as bad as it is, it's not on that same level. We can surely agree to disagree here.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9955670)

Oh it's only intent to murder and grevious bodily harm. I get it now. :shrug:

I am bemused why some people feel a need to try to excuse someone who went into someone elses house with a weapon.

Weapon = intent. Let's not kid ourselves. That struggle in that kitchen was a struggle for survival.

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9955794)

A burglar with a screwdriver..perhaps needed to i dunno....unscrew things!!

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9955740)

It's not a jibe, it's a fact that people are constantly talking about "making excuses" when no excuses are being made. No one is trying to excuse anyone of anything.

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 9955810)

You are banging your head against a brick wall.