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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 11501121)

:laugh::laugh: I meant i wonder why they need the walk on girls again,lol. and yes I find it boring too

I take it you don't watch love island for the sparkling conversations

:laugh:

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Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11499025)

What happened? Did they discover that not many people want to watch fat bastards drinking beer and throwing darts on telly if its not sugared up with some objectification?

Shhhh you’ll trigger one. Oh never mind

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11501047)

I’m happy in the knowledge that I don’t look down on woman for what they choose to do in their careers, also that I don’t put women’s careers against each other, or think they’re naive beings who don’t really understand anything if they chose a career that I don’t like.

It’s nice to know that people are happy to discredit peoples opinions based on their gender and sexuality though, I guess the journey to ‘true’ feminism brings out the biases in people

Of Course
Slick Liam.

These Fit Young Women
want the work,
back again.

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 11501126)

Of Course
Slick Liam.

These Fit Young Women
want the work,
back again.

There you go Liam. I can feel the empowerment from here.

Yes, women taking control of their lives and their circumstances is objectively empowerment

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Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11501120)

I've not once said that everyone else does? The ones who like the walk on girls being there/argue that it's something that should continue are the ones I have an issue with. Plenty of people I'm sure couldn't give a sht if they're there or not. It's an outdated misogynistic practice that belongs in the past. People who agree with that will be fine with putting an end to it, people who aren't bothered either way will be fine with putting an end to it... The only ones who will have an issue with stopping it are the ones who actively enjoy it. Ogling.

Of course you'll get some who are simply stuck on the idea that "it's traditional!" and just don't like any sort of change in general but is there even any reason to go down that path. It's just not a good enough reason by far. Bin it off.

And the ladies themselves, the ladies will have issues with it being cancelled. Dont you think?

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11501135)

Yes, women taking control of their lives and their circumstances is objectively empowerment

Taking advantage of the fact that certain men will pay them good money for their visual gratification (mild in this case more obvious in the case of onlyfans etc) is certainly understandable, but there's nothing at all empowering about the fact that being able to do so -- entirely, by the very nature of what it is -- relies on men viewing women as a commodity that can be bought and sold.

If they did not, there would be no market for them to make money from. The market exists and there's a lot of money to be made from it, I will say that it is at least better when women are making that money directly and the bulk of it isn't going to someone elses' pocket (usually a male pocket), but 1) that isn't even the case here, they're being paid a flat fee and the bulk of any money generated is going to rich male execs and 2) in an ideal, empowered world, there would be NO MARKET to make money from. It's not about their actions in a world where that market does exist.

If you can explain to me why and how a world where it's possible to make money this way is a net positive I'd love to hear it. You seem totally stuck on that world being an inevitablility and thus it being empowering that women can "make the most of that".

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Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11500911)

I'm choosing to believe that there are a few people who agree with the gist of the message, just not my... Umm... Methods of engagement...

Personally I do find your opinion on this topic to be too extreme for my personal taste.

I would understand your issue with this more if Darts was making them wear really obscene outfits, and that the main event of the Sport is to basically become Porn.

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11501008)

Yeah, see that's my issue with it. It must feel a bit **** for your sister to be trying to be taken seriously as a female player while watching the only women on "the big stage" being paraded around the men like decorations

The one slippery slope that could happen (but I don't believe that it will) is if the Senior Darts has a popular reaction to the Walk On Girls, then the Sport might try to make it's female competitors also dress up in a more sexy manner to draw in an audience that doesn't really care about the game, and against the wishes of a lot of the female Darts players.

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11501029)

I do agree... But I think it might be an overreaction to say it cheapens women in sport. A womens rugby team was recently required to be photographed in lingerie to raise some money for the club. I thought that was far more sexist than getting someone whose only legally chargeable skill is walking in front of some darts players.

Was the entire women's Rugby team obliged to do that? If so then that's bad, because some of them will have been coerced into doing it.

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Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11501090)

I did answer that and said that I don't find anything about it sexy in the slightest. I'm sorry if that's not the answer you want?

Are you asking if I think they're objectively good looking? I'm sure I'd think some of them are, some of them aren't. I don't find 20 year olds sexy or attractive in any way. I fundamentally disagree with the premise that older men will "always" be more attracted to younger women. Girls in their 20's look like teenagers to me. There's nothing sexy about that. I saw it differently when I was Mock's age, because they weren't much younger than me. I find the picture posted of the old man looking in the mirror and seeing himself as a young man in his 20's (and thus excusing being still attracted to much younger women) a false and abhorrent thing to normalise about men. We ain't all like that. The idea that we "secretly are" is BS.

But apparently some of them are older so maybe I'd agree that some of them are attractive? I doubt they all look the same? How can anyone say that every last one is attractive/sexy :umm2:... What a wide net to cast. It's always going to be subjective.

Even if I did think they were attractive, seeing the walk-on darts parade would be immediately and completely un-sexy.

If you're really that nosy about what gets me going though Parmy, for some reason... Here it is - what I find sexy has nothing to do with anything you can gatger from a picture or seeing someone on telly. So even the age-appropriate ones, I can't tell you if I think they're "sexy". I haven't met them.

That's all a bit long winded so here's the short answer;

"Do I look at darts walk on girls and think ooh how sexy"

The answer is "no".

I agree with you that what people find attractive is subjective, as are most things really.

The thing that I will say (and maybe it's just me) but how many people in their 60's are going to find other people in their 60's the most attractive? With all due respect but that's not really very likely as Human Beings in general I don't believe work like that.

Deleted some posts in here about banned members.

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11501831)

Deleted some posts in here about banned members.

Only once you had your say :hehe: :nono:

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11501976)

Only once you had your say :hehe: :nono:

Yes and I shouldn't have that's why I deleted them :hee:

Just watched this darts documentary.

https://youtu.be/Al8lNsPhOis?si=TpDwSdvBrHBZgZhM

Interesting that darts way back in the beer swilling smoke filled arenas didnt have walk on girls. It was only the introduction of satellite tv, a new thing for the young up and coming "things can only get better"1990s brigade that started that perverted nonsense.
@Quantum Boy

the good old days when the men were totally bladdered and it was a real sport :laugh: