If he funded a single brick it should be razed to the ground and rebuilt yes?

Didn't Saville fund schools and hospitals? I don't think that is the argument to make.

seeing as he died in 1721 and the re-vamp was in 2017 i don’t think so luv x

Burn them

I have no idea what goes through the minds of someone throwing glass bottles into crowds of innocent people / police .


I’d hope that the police have people observing and filming the ones who are launching missiles ..


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The original was built in the 1800s is there a reason it was named after him?

Well then

:skull:

So as the crowd rioting and violence has just escalated to ridiculous levels WHY are neither Sky News nor BBC News showing any live footage ??


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Abort. Abort. Abort. :joker:

Is that supposed to be funny ?

They’re throwing bottles , bricks and fireworks onto the police even when there are ‘peaceful’ protesters next to and even engaged in conversations with the police ..


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George Floyd killed by the police
 

There’s a lot of pictures of mixed youngsters who just turn up for the fun of it, and nothing to do with the protests or understand the true cause.

There’s are lots of genuine people who want to fight for the cause. There’s are groups who just there to blame the police and cause public order offences.

I hope this doesn’t lead too riots on the streets again?


I’m also confused as to how the throwing of bottles ,bricks and fireworks onto the police ranks is going to HELP future relationships between the public and the police ??


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I remember a similar argument when the issue of the statue to Cecil Rhodes being removed in South Africa, because his estate was a benefactor for scholarships to certain schools it was seen as a reason to ignore his racism.

Any thoughts ?


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I hate to te you this but there will always be twats. ..
It does not however detract from the important issue those peacefully and earnestly protesting are there to address.

The worry of course is as always that will be overshadowed especially now, people have been kettle in their homes for weeks, right now the UK is like a champagne bottle one good shake and there's going to be an almighty pop!

Have you seen what happens to the media caught up in the thick of the protests? That might have something to do with it. The other theory is there's a media blackout to prevent others joining the protests or sympathising with them.

Thatcher’s statue coming down next yup :love:

Fair point


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That’s the trouble .. where does this all end now ?


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Ends in stop bloody immortalising people with statues.

They all creep the hell out of me no matter who they are.

Do we really need a bronze Cilla Black creeping in an alleyway in Liverpool? :worry:

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He's the most Irish person in the world.

Yes, good point if you disregard common sense.

A building can have it's name changed, it's benefactors or creators disavowed but a statue of someone in a public place can only exist as a tribute to that person's life. Buildings serve a purpose, statues do not. Trying to equate tearing down a statue to tearing down schools or hospitals is utter nonsense. Destroying a statue of a long dead slaver doesn't negatively affect anyone, it's a symbolic destruction of a memorial to a slaver. Destroying a school or a hospital affects many people and it's ultimately a waste.

You in your misguided defense of a slaver's statue are basically saying that these people have to go around destroying charities, schools, hospitals and more because they destroyed a statue and they're hypocrites if they don't. It's false equivalence at it's most blatant and yet more gatekeeping on your part. 'You can't do this if you're not willing to do this utterly bat**** thing I'm suggesting because I say so.'

That is actually Niamh... there was an Cowell-style competition. "Ireland's Got Irish People" it was called.