I can't comment on this because I don't know any of those people.

All I'm saying is I can understand any housemate getting support no matter who it is, because needless to say - everybody views situations differently and has different opinions.

The forum would be boring if everyone liked/disliked the same people lol. People should be allowed to like/dislike whoever they want because everyone has a different view and will see things differently to other people, it's crazy how it's a big deal who supports who. I'm not going to change my opinion on Paulie because he;s hated. I only really hate people who are racist/homophobic etc if they didn't say those things and that if I find them likeable and decent to watch I will like them.

Exactly. :clap2: Yeah, obviously being homophobic and racist is awful but if I enjoy watching them on a show I'm not going to instantly dislike them because of their views even if they are absolutely terrible ones.

You could probably find something bad about many of the housemates if you analyzed every single thing they did/said and reviewed their backgrounds and histories etc. Nobody is perfect and the bottom line for me is: if I like what I see then an irrelevant factor isn't going to change my mind.

Which is fair, I wouldn't be annoyed if you did etc :p I saw Paulie fans around social media saying they didn't condone his comments etc but they still love him, which is still fair because some people are like that like I'm with them on that point

I agree, no matter how amazing they are each hm has a positive and a negative might not be equally balanced but it's still there. Even the bad ones have positives.

And not to bring this up again but since I was mobile earlier, why do people on this show and watching this show feel the need to frame everything as strategic and emotional? This isn't even @ you caprimint, but since you brought up how Paulie was playing strategically and not emotionally, it reminded me how much he harped on that point and ****ing Nicole is still going on about "well I need to make a strategic move, not an emotional one!", and even James pulled that **** during Day's boot week. Like... what was strategic about Paulie telling Natalie she's as fake as her tits? What was strategic about him screaming at her in the HoH Room for 15 minutes in front of the entire house without being able to read the room? What was strategic about him refusing to bake any pies for a full day and cry all week when he was nominated? What was strategic about Nicole giving Corey handjobs in bed for two months?

I could go on and on but I'll end by saying that I think it's so ****ing annoying and stupid that so many people approach this show with the frame of mind that Strategy Is Good and Emotions Are Bad (it doesn't help that the show frames itself with this mindset too) when that's just not true lol. It's not as black-and-white and there is a loooooooot of overlap between the two. Not to mention that if you play the game without emotions you just end up being a robot that nobody cares about and thus won't have any incentive to give you $500,000. This is a game that at its core is about personal relationships and connections with people, not arbitrarily moving people around like they're chess pieces and ignoring their emotions, not to mention ignoring your own.

I don't know, I just realized this year how prevalent this mindset is and I think it's sooooooooooo self-aggrandizing. It's the BB equivalent of Ciera Easting yelling about how you have to MAKE BIG MOVES and PLAY DA GAME.

I think they all try to play strategically but it's hard not to let your emotions get the better of you which adds to the reasons of why I respect Paulie's game. Was everything he (or any of them, as a matter of fact) did seen as strategical? Absolutely not, but some of them were better at it than others. I think it's just easier to get screwed over by playing too emotionally (Zakiyah and Michelle having breakdowns and most people in showmances do this too, even Victor by putting his full trust in others), but I think Paul has had a pretty great balance between strategic and emotion, which is the majority of the reason he's still there when he began at the bottom.

I finally properly watched the jury house fight and lmaooo that was GOOD. I think Da'Vonne looked the worst in it tbh but was the most entertaining / best part of it. :joker: Paulie also added to the entertainment but also came across pretty bad when he brought up Day's kid. Aside from that I (kinda surprisingly) feel like he was respectable in that situation with everyone going at him/Zakiyah like that & Da'Vonne getting in his face yelling. I get it / whatever if people think he deserves it lol.

I don't think anyone looked awful either. It was a funny, highly intense blowup. I just see it as good TV all around.

In the end I actually felt kinda bad for Zakiyah in all of that despite not liking her at all... but she was just kinda.. there.. as always. :joker:

Oh and also... Thank God Da'Vonne made jury. :joker:

okay so this isn't surprising

But this is

Shame there's no way he's gonna make it to part 3 *sigh*

Wait is this not a recap episode? They've shown part one already judging by the updates

James only wants a f2 with paul because he knows he has the votes. James would win over Paul and it would such a under deserving win. He has done nothing

Well here's some positive news from this season for once, Dr Will hosted the roundtable again (I was worried Grodner would pull some **** like inviting Derrick :rolleyes:) and has described it as the 'best, most opinionated, most entertaining jury that I have seen in my four years of participating in the jury debate'

http://zap2it.com/2016/09/will-kirby...ic-conflicted/

A full ten minutes of it on the finale please and thank you :cheer2:

Fight Night incoming?

I think that... the jury roundtable is ****ing stupid and a waste of time, just like the majority of the finale, and the majority of the season. Sorry! How predictable of me, right?

Did you just self combust? :joker:

eh, I just think it's dumb and staged (like a majority of things on this show), and I think the fact that the show feels like there's a need to have someone "facilitate" it is stupid since the purpose is really to get Will to try and steer them away from being bitter (:rolleyes:) and voting for The Right Person.

And then my other biggest issue with the finale format is how dumb the jury questioning is, because they pre-write the questions and not everyone even gets to ask a question and they're usually suuuuuuper tame and ask about nothing and they don't end up effecting anything. I can't think of a single Big Moment that came from BBUS jury questions and I think that's a big problem.

Oh I agree about the jury questioning, the fact they all have to agree on three questions is awful :umm2: they should get one each like they always used to. I'd actually be quite resentful as a juror if I'd spent six weeks in a house where I'm not even competing for money only to not get my chance to address the finalists. Survivor definitely lead the way on this although in recent seasons they seem to have dropped the opening and closing statements too which I don't like

I do think the roundtable worked better when they all just discussed it amongst themselves but hey it's an appearance from Dr Will so I can't knock if :laugh:

I think my biggest issue with it all is that since Will started hosting the roundtable in BB15, it's definitely a reaction on production's end to Ian winning BB14 and that being The Wrong Decision, and I think it's kinda ****ty to undermine a winner like that, not to mention the fact that Dan's BB14 game was pretty much textbook as how to not manage a jury of your peers, not to mention that Dan ****ing sucks.

and yeah, the staged questions that they all agree on (not to mention that production agrees on, they for sure make the questions as safe as possible) are just lame and anticlimactic. Give me anger, give me vitriol. Let them Go There.

ep 41 being a recap why do they even bother doing this? such a waste of time just show me the part 1 comp in full.

I stopped watching weeks ago, too many twats in there. Paul started off ok then become a grade A twat. Da'Vonne was the bitch she always is. Zakiyah wasn't the nicest to Tiffany. Nicole was 'surprised' at her own vote to evict Bridgette, like she has no mind of her own, stupid ****in eviction. James is just fake and annoying as always. Natalie tried to play victim, I love how apparently the James/Natalie thing turned **** when I stopped watching, LOVE that.

Da'Vonne probably fancies Paulie, maybe she wanted her butt slapped. :D

How degrading and stupid lol

Da'Vonne is degrading the way she carries on. She is passive-aggressive. The delight she took in Tiffany crying showed it all.

I'm pretty sure the Nicole thing was a joke lol

:joker:

At least she could've gone off again then and got even more attention on herself.

Day scalping Paulie is the highlight of the season.