It's always struck me that her killer knew her. It wasnt a robbery and the killer must have known her routine very well. Strangulation is predominantly committed by men and is done to gain a sense of control. A very high proportion of strangulation victims know their killer. My initial response to the arrest of C.J. is that his eccentricities probably made him highly visable to the media and police, but I dont think he appears to fit the profile of her killer. I could be wrong of course!.

Also whoever killed Joanna must have known that her boyfriend was not there and must have called at the flat. There are no reports from the police of signs of a struggle in the flat as far as I'm aware. If she had gone out somewhere she would have taken her mobile, keys and coat etc surely? Therefore it has to have been a neighbour, friend or someone she knew well enough or felt comfortable enough to go off with impromptu, probably thinking she would only be gone a short time. The strangest thing is that she left her keys behind - maybe because the person she went off with has keys to her flat?

As far as I'm concerned the Landlord is still in the frame, and the fact he has been released on police bail clearly means they are not prepared at this stage to completely eliminate him. However, I hope they are also investigating her other neighbours, friends, relatives and acquaintances.

Reminds me of another case I saw a doc about, some girl went missing on new years eve. Went to go look after some puppies or something, didn't make it there.Turned out to be some guy who lived pretty near. They did a search of all the houses in the neighbourhood. They found her in is closet D: They instantly knew something was up when he couldn't find the key

Do you think CJ
should be removed from your heading.


He is just a old perv.

When some more solid news comes up, nothing much else has happened yet

Good to see the reporting slant on the newspapers front has ceased to label this man a pervert, having obsessions of death etc and that the witch hunt of an (as yet) innocent man appears to have ceased as far as papers are concerned.

Also good to see that the Guardian are reporting that CJ's lawyers have been in contact with at least one newspaper regarding their reporting of the matter.

Quotes from his aunt suggest tha he is looking to take legal action. Quite bloody right too.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ja...safety-warning

The Sun quotes CJ's aunt.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...lear-name.html

What precisely in your mind, makes him a 'perv' Arista? On what basis are you judging him to allow you to suggest he is a pervert? :conf:

I did very much think the same thing but remember Angus58 though, the missing pizza box. The pizza was found but not the external packaging - **sorry... pizza missing too... she could have eaten it!!** - the local council bin collections were made on the Monday, the search didn't begin until the day after - so by the time the police got round to it, it was too late to determine if she may have 'left the house' to dispose of the box...... and that's where either abduction or death took place. That would explain why these items remained in the house - and that is the one thing that appears to be 'throwing' people.

It could be that she did nothing more than simply take the empty box out to the bin - and met her killer there. It could have been a prowler, an opportunist, or a sexual deviant who may have overheard her in the pub beforehand, saying that Greg was leaving for the weekend, and they decided to act upon this informaton.

It could have been someone of the same nature, passing by when Greg's car was being given a jump start and realised he was leaving his girlfriend alone that night. It could be a number of things.

Recall the party goer in another street who heard screams just around 9pm.

Read on a blog that bf was still at the apartment trying to get his car started at 1900pm on the night of 17th.

I agree with all of the above and I also have another outside theory that she was followed home and attacked before she got home, and that the killer let himself into her flat with her belongings to create the "Mary Celeste" effect her boyfriend found that suggested she had been at home. Motive? To divert attention towards it being someone she knew. The killer could have found messages on her mobile indicating her boyfriend was away. It will be interesting to find out whether the police have found any unexplained dna evidence at her flat. We have still not been told whether she was sexually assaulted, or if any of her possession are missing.

As for the missing pizza box, I find it doubtful that she would bother to leave her flat to dispose of a single pizza box, since most people do have kitchen bins, and even if she had, i can't see her leaving her door open so she would have taken her keys.

All in all, the case is intriguing and I hope, for the sake of her parents they do find the killer, because if it were me, it would be a living hell to know that the person who killed my child had got away with it.

No offence but that's been pretty much common knowledge since very early days.

The bin I have in my kitchen is only a small one - too small to hold a pizza box unless I ripped it into little pieces which would take far longer than me popping out and throwing it in the wheelie bin. I personally, nip out and chuck any large packaging like that straight into the bin - and I know many of my friends tend to do the same.

Why on earth would anyone take their keys / not leave their door oen when nipping out to put something in a bin? I don't, and I know none of my friends who would take keys, lock doors etc. We all literally open the door, leave door open, go out to bin a few steps away from door, dispose of item then come back into the house.

I'm not entirely sure about the killer looking through her phone to determine the boyfriend was away: at that stage, he'd already have been aware she was alone if he had access to her flat / her phone? If she was attacked before she got home, that doesn't explain the missing pizza *though I have to say: I think that's been nothing more than her having chucked it/and /or the wrapping in the bin, which was subsequently emptied.

It doesn't explain that possible sighting of her by CJ that evening. It doesn't explain the 'screams' (that may or may not have been Joanna) coming from the area her flat was in at 9pm that Friday evening.

I do agree it's intriguing. I'm not entirely convinced that it's a 'serial' killer either. I think it could something far less sinster - that all went very wrong. I don't think the killer went out to kill.... I think the intention has been far less than to kill, but something went wrong with whatever their intention was.

It is as you say - intriguing. Ghoulish I know, but intriguing.

Oh I am a bit behind the times thanks you for pointing it out Pyramid - no offence taken.

If the reports of bf still being in Bristol at or around 1945 hrs then there is an opportunity link.

Originally posted by mrscolumbo

"Why on earth would anyone take their keys / not leave their door oen when nipping out to put something in a bin? I don't, and I know none of my friends who would take keys, lock doors etc. We all literally open the door, leave door open, go out to bin a few steps away from door, dispose of item then come back into the house."

I live on the third floor of a block of flats and if I wanted to put anything in the bin I certainly wouldn't leave my front door open or unlocked while I was going down to ground level. I always close the door and take my keys.

As regards my outside theory - it is purely that and not one I have much faith in because it would require a fair few ifs and buts and suspensions of belief in terms of how an opportunist killer might behave. I still think that the killer is someone that Joanna knew fairly well.

If the BF was still in the area so late that evening, that doesn't let him off the hook either.
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http://www.sickipedia.org/search/1/?q=joanna+yeates

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Originally posted by Pyramid

"Why on earth would anyone take their keys / not leave their door oen when nipping out to put something in a bin? I don't, and I know none of my friends who would take keys, lock doors etc. We all literally open the door, leave door open, go out to bin a few steps away from door, dispose of item then come back into the house."

I live on the third floor of a block of flats and if I wanted to put anything in the bin I certainly wouldn't leave my front door open or unlocked while I was going down to ground level. I always close the door and take my keys.

As regards my outside theory - it is purely that and not one I have much faith in because it would require a fair few ifs and buts and suspensions of belief in terms of how an opportunist killer might behave. I still think that the killer is someone that Joanna knew fairly well.

Hello this is not my posting![/QUOTE]

Lol, sorry, have amended the quote now.

angus58 - thank you for the amendment - already deleted my reply as it looked confusing:)

LOL at the posts all going skew-wiff!! Nothing like confusion eh!:blush:

I understand you saying you would lock door given that you live on a 3rd floor, however Joanna and Greg lived in a basement flat - which isn't quite the same as living in 'higher' flats (if that makes any sense) - ground level is easily and conveniently reached - within a short distance of door. It was on that basis that I made my comments: in that the bins would not have been any real distance away - not enough to warrant taking keys, locking door etc.

ETA: Presumably Greg has a watertight alibi (receipts for filling stations etc) - but I have to say, I've 'voiced' my own thoughts on the convenience of him being away many posts ago........ but as I say, not much point as I would imagine family and partners would be the very first people to be considered, investigated and subsequently eliminated (rightly or wrong..... it's still very open).

So boring you felt it necessary to include the link. :sleep:

If this is an opportunist crime then forensic evidence would be in plentyful outside/inside the apartment as a struggle would be evident surely - which makes it pre meditated or a crime of passion - especially as the police consider no person to be at risk whilst the culprit remains at large.

FGS Grow up. Clearly it's impossible to have any form of serious discussion on tibbs without this crap seeping in.

Clearly the crap dispenser is a graduate from the Frankie Boyle School of Comedy:rolleyes:

Pre meditated or crime of passion rules a stranger out - just to clarify my last post.