I think the hostility stems from the misconception I mentioned in my first post in this thread. The idea that in believing that sexuality, much like every other aspect of every human being, comes about through a process of socialisation, means that somehow that's a choice and can be changed. You know, much like how you chose your accent, and your personality, and your mannerisms, and what food you like, and what music you're into!

Rather bizarre that it has to keep being repeated so many times, but I guess it has proven my initial point right :laugh:

If my sexuality was formed from whether I liked or didn't like the look of my MOTHER'S VAGINA then I think I'm going to go and kill myself. Goodbye.

Austin is hot af be quiet

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Yes, I think it's been explained about as much as it can be. :laugh:

that's what you get when you let you heart win

Well that's my opinion so I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. A good effort with the patronising though. Great debating :)

idk maybe who knows some people on here think they do

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So do you think it's possible that people are gay but don't realise it yet? :worry: Surely they would realise it when they start to get sexual urges

An opinion that has no basis other than 'I don't understand what you're saying so it's wrong!', but okay sure :laugh:

Thanks very much! I hope my patronising tone was as good as your initial one? I'm glad I'm learning how to debate, I can't understand why this section has been criticised recently what with all the maturity and civility, it's brilliant :cheer2:

Some people don't know what it's like to be gay though. They may genuinely think they're straight and that everyone feels these urges. A lot of people don't come out until later in life because they've been pressured to be straight and never questioned it.

James seems sure of his sexuality though.

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From what I've gathered, my initial ideas on what 'nuture' was hasn't changed. And I still think it's wrong. You haven't given me an example of what nurturing means because it's a million things that can contribute to it. Sexuality is infinity more complex than a few million variable that might have given you a preference.

I hated it when someone came out as gay and dumped their girlfriend because of it and people were like she made him gay...

But you don't need to have a list of the million things that influences a person's life and who they are to know it exists.

You've lived a life and got to however old you are, so you know just how many factors have been involved in getting you to the place you are right now and making you the person you are.

You don't need a tick list to see that. And you don't need the list to know that it all occurs AFTER birth and is nothing to do with genetics.

If after this entire debate you're still attributing "nurture" down to the simplistic - which town you were born in or my Dad's feelings about gay people - then you haven't read a single word.

You cant choose your Sexuality just like you didn't choose your Gender, looks, Family, Where your from, Your personality and interests ect.

I know it sounds cheesy but its so true, You just are who you are :)

I believe all thoughts and feeling are due to your environment/experiences..

....hmm, I don't know because I would say that you are born with your sexuality ..it wouldn't make sense to me otherwise because people whose whole culture and belief values are opposed to homosexuality, couldn't be environmentally influenced...I mean, people are still killed simply because of their sexuality..so how could any 'upbringing' be an influence to them...

..the paedophile one is interesting though because I would have mostly said that was an environmental thing and things that they have either witnessed or experienced and not something 'born with'...but now I think that maybe it can be born with.../interesting LT..I think it was LT that posted that but I've just skimmed through the thread....

I personally don't think homosexuality is there from birth. Scientifically, I don't see how it can be.

I don't think that's possible if you're gay unless you've repressed it really hard and live in denial. I guess it's possible for bi people not to realise they're bi though if they favour one sex above the other, a bi person who favours straight relationships may may not know they are bi until they fall for someone of the same gender and vice versa for gay people who are actually bi.

I think if you're gay or a bisexual that has no gender preference then it's impossible not to know.

This is a question that can only be answered by gay people and the answer is YES.

Whether it's due to genetics or something that happens hormonally in the womb is another story.

One thing that is not debatable: it cannot be altered. Attempting to can lead to deadly consequences.

We're actually hard wired. It's called survival. It's nature. We have natural/human instinct.

Perhaps you can research it. :dance:

Please don't bring up pedophilia in a thread about homosexuality. Thanks.

Why can it only be answered by gay people? What about scientists who research it? The answer is yes in your opinion.

What if it's neither in the womb or genetics? What if it develops through early childhood? There's no scientific proof of a right answer at this stage.

Yes, but how is this to do with sexuality?