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Tom4784 21-01-2016 11:37 AM

Bond's race isn't an important part of his character in the films, they are in the books but in the films it really isn't important at all. Like I said before, the Bond Books and films are different entities at this point. A lot of the actors who have played Bond really wouldn't have fit the book version if they were to do a religious adaption of them. From what I know of the character, it's only really Sean Connery and Daniel Craig's (aside from the hair) interpretations that come close to what Ian Fleming envisioned in terms of Bond's character.

James Bond in the films is like Doctor Who, he doesn't have a set personality or appearance beyond the basics because so many people have played them at this point. As long as the actor is male, can do a British accent and is capable of being charming then that's all you need really.

the truth 21-01-2016 12:04 PM

maybe the irish and welsh should boycott the brits as they didn't win anything last year

Livia 21-01-2016 12:05 PM

I love you Dezzy... even when you're wrong :-)

xx

Livia 21-01-2016 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8448153)
maybe the irish and welsh should boycott the brits as they didn't win anything last year

I've never won an award, I'm boycotting everything.

the truth 21-01-2016 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8448155)
I've never won an award, I'm boycotting everything.

same here, theyre a bunch on truth-ists

Livia 21-01-2016 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8448159)
same here, theyre a bunch on truth-ists

What makes me smile, going back to the Oscars, is... it's such an awfully smug opportunity for people in show business to pat each other on the back and discuss how brilliant they all are. It's a lovey-fest that means nothing, really.

the truth 21-01-2016 12:21 PM

its the same few dozen multi multi millionaire over-rated luvvies every year......like theres no other actors in the world with the monolithic talent of winslet, redmayne, Mirren etc the irony is movies are getting worse every year due to a chronic lack of writers and unoriginal formulaic film school directors ....bring back Hitchcock all is forgiven

Niamh. 21-01-2016 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8448153)
maybe the irish and welsh should boycott the brits as they didn't win anything last year

Ireland isn't part of Britain so we're alright, we do have a couple in for an Oscar though :hee:

GiRTh 21-01-2016 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8447906)
Yes, I am saying Idris would not be a good Bond simply on his ethnicity.

Have you read the books? Have you seen the situations Bond got himself into? No way would a black man be able to melt into the background like a white man could in certain situations. It has to at least be believable.

And as much as I love Idris, and think he's wonderful as Luthur (Who could equally have been played by a black or a white actor) I think he would be an awful Bond. If a black Bond was inevitable I'd rather Colin Salmon who is much more Bond-esque, in my opinion.

You start by saying Idris wouldnt be a good bond due to his ethnically then slightly back track by saying Colin Salmon might be Ok.

The TV spy series Alias had a top female Russian spy played by black woman Gina Torres with the back story that she was trained in Cuba. It worked. But if you say its not possible then I'll take your word for it. :thumbs:

user104658 21-01-2016 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 8448557)
The TV spy series Alias had a top female Russian spy played by black woman Gina Torres with the back story that she was trained in Cuba. It worked. But if you say its not possible then I'll take your word for it. :thumbs:

Yes but that's the character's back-story, so it's fine.

You can't CHANGE an established character's back story once you've established it, without doing a reboot. You break the canon and in doing so kill the immersion for many people... it's that simple.

If they want a black (or any other race) Bond, in my view, they have two paths they can take:

1) Introduce another agent and explain that "James Bond" is actually one of a selection of anonymous alias titles given to agents in an upcoming Bond film; feature the new agent heavily to get people invested, and then kill off the current Bond at the end and have that new agent take on the 007 code and "James Bond" name. Controversial? Sure... but perfectly acceptable narrative-wise.

2) Reboot the series again, make a new origins movie and brand new interpretation of the source material. Then you can basically do whatever you want with any character you want.

GiRTh 21-01-2016 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8448623)
Yes but that's the character's back-story, so it's fine.

You can't CHANGE an established character's back story once you've established it, without doing a reboot. You break the canon and in doing so kill the immersion for many people... it's that simple.

If they want a black (or any other race) Bond, in my view, they have two paths they can take:

1) Introduce another agent and explain that "James Bond" is actually one of a selection of anonymous alias titles given to agents in an upcoming Bond film; feature the new agent heavily to get people invested, and then kill off the current Bond at the end and have that new agent take on the 007 code and "James Bond" name. Controversial? Sure... but perfectly acceptable narrative-wise.

2) Reboot the series again, make a new origins movie and brand new interpretation of the source material. Then you can basically do whatever you want with any character you want.

THere are any number of ways to introduce a new Bond I'm merely pointing out to anyone who thinks its impossible that it most definitely isnt impossible. Dennis Haysbert played the leader of a crack special forces team in the Unit, he had no problems blending into certain areas as apparently that is a major issue too.

King Gizzard 21-01-2016 04:55 PM

He's too cool for ****ty Cheesy James Bond anyway

Livia 21-01-2016 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 8448557)
You start by saying Idris wouldnt be a good bond due to his ethnically then slightly back track by saying Colin Salmon might be Ok.

The TV spy series Alias had a top female Russian spy played by black woman Gina Torres with the back story that she was trained in Cuba. It worked. But if you say its not possible then I'll take your word for it. :thumbs:

I mentioned Colin Salmon because IF they went with a black Bond, he would make a better one than Idris. I think he's a better actor. In my humble opinion. And that's all it is, my opinion.

GiRTh 21-01-2016 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 8448736)
He's too cool for ****ty Cheesy James Bond anyway

I agree. Personally I think Idris is a big enough name to sell the films on his name alone, but the hell with all that his ethnicity is wrong. I hope he campaigns for it and seriously puts himself forward as he has to be, in terms of ability and experience, one of the best to apply. Then I look forward to the backlash.

Livia 21-01-2016 05:03 PM

If they continued the Blade series with a white actor playing Wesley Snipes character... I'd have a problem with that too. Backstory.... like TS says.

GiRTh 21-01-2016 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8448743)
I mentioned Colin Salmon because IF they went with a black Bond, he would make a better one than Idris. I think he's a better actor. In my humble opinion. And that's all it is, my opinion.

Lets go with the best actor available who happens to be black. :thumbs:

Marsh. 21-01-2016 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8447923)
Suddenly change him from a black man to a white man?

He went from looking like Sean Connery to Pierce Brosnan to Daniel Craig, so his skin colour changing is the least of the franchise's problems. :laugh:

GiRTh 21-01-2016 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8448783)
He went from looking like Sean Connery to Pierce Brosnan to Daniel Craig, so his skin colour changing is the least of the franchise's problems. :laugh:

And Connery played the role with a Scottish accent. According to the books Bond is definitely not Scottish.

Marsh. 21-01-2016 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8448623)
Yes but that's the character's back-story, so it's fine.

You can't CHANGE an established character's back story once you've established it, without doing a reboot. You break the canon and in doing so kill the immersion for many people... it's that simple.

If they want a black (or any other race) Bond, in my view, they have two paths they can take:

1) Introduce another agent and explain that "James Bond" is actually one of a selection of anonymous alias titles given to agents in an upcoming Bond film; feature the new agent heavily to get people invested, and then kill off the current Bond at the end and have that new agent take on the 007 code and "James Bond" name. Controversial? Sure... but perfectly acceptable narrative-wise.

2) Reboot the series again, make a new origins movie and brand new interpretation of the source material. Then you can basically do whatever you want with any character you want.

So the vastly different looking actors who play Bond each iteration is fine but different skin colour is one step too far? :joker:

Bond is just popcorn fluff with daft stunts. Hardly something with an unchangeable backstory.

The books are an entirely different medium and canon anyway so they don't come into it anymore.

Marsh. 21-01-2016 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8448153)
maybe the irish and welsh should boycott the brits as they didn't win anything last year

Straw man argument.

Livia 21-01-2016 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 8448760)
Lets go with the best actor available who happens to be black. :thumbs:

Colin Salmon then. Or maybe David Olewayo... a fine actor. Far superior to Idris in my opinion... although Idris is gorgeous I'll admit.

Livia 21-01-2016 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8448783)
He went from looking like Sean Connery to Pierce Brosnan to Daniel Craig, so his skin colour changing is the least of the franchise's problems. :laugh:

That's all been addressed pages back. Keep up, Marshy...

GiRTh 21-01-2016 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8448832)
Colin Salmon then. Or maybe David Olewayo... a fine actor. Far superior to Idris in my opinion... although Idris is gorgeous I'll admit.

Have you never seen the Wire? I'm stunned anyone doesn't rate Idris as an actor after his portrayal of Stringer Bell, but we are all entitled to our opinions. :thumbs:

Livia 21-01-2016 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 8448841)
Have you never seen the Wire? I'm stunned anyone doesn't rate Idris as an actor after his portrayal of Stringer Bell, but we are all entitled to our opinions. :thumbs:

No, I have never seen The Wire. You recommend it, then? Might give it a go Who knows, my opinion might change. But not about Bond :-)

the truth 21-01-2016 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8448795)
Straw man argument.

hypocrite


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