i luv Sonequa now on star trek discovery almost just as good as when she played Sasha on TWD :D

Yeah Andrew should earn most he is the front man, agree with that.

And then no one from the Atlanta camp died for a solid 3 seasons and then a season and a half later they killed two (arguably 5) more Atlanta members

Wasn't Merle supposed to be in season 4 too? Wonder what changed that

Man, T-Dog couldn't even get his own death to himself :( It just had to be overshadowed by Lori's.

Ok I nearly cried at Lori's death/Rick's reaction

Marvel.

GotG vol 1 would have been filming / screening / promoting at the same time as TWD season 4.

Raise of hands who finds Dwight sexy

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He was much better in GotG tbf [emoji852]

Also paid significantly more I'm pretty sure [emoji23]. Especially the expanded role in vol 2.

The biggest problem with TWD is how they treat their cast, you watch season 1 of the show and it's a completely different cast to what's there now, it's poor planning and really bad writing as alot of the characters that they bumped off didn't even finish off their material, or played fundamental roles in the programme that are now needing new characters to try and fill that void.

Personally I think seasons 2-4 are better than season 1 which just really felt like a really bad Soap Opera after episode 2.:joker:

I think Season 2 is so poorly received because there's no immediate threat? The main conflict for the first half of S2 is looking for Sophia and let's be serious, the possibility of an abused mother losing the last part of her family is dark and awful and I could never fathom what Carol had to go through.
That said, it's not 'threatening'. Especially as Sophia barely spoke and most of us had no real attachment to her. And besides, what were the outcomes? She lives, the group remains as normal. She dies, they will mourn and they'll carry on as if one of their own had died. Essentially, the first half of S2 had no threat, which I doubt people didn't enjoy from an apocalyptic show.

Then the second half came along and I'd argue Shane became more and more the 'villain' post-Sophia's death. But at the same time, it wasn't as if he was a threat either? He was just super pissed off at Rick, but I highly doubt he would put his group at risk. He was just volatile and developed a mindset and view of the world that the group would later develop in a few seasons. I'd honestly argue that Lizzie was a better 'villain' than Shane (even though Shane was a massive dick and was awful to Lori once Rick returned, these never contributed to how threatening he was to the group, whereas Lizzie was willing to kill her own sister and a baby).
Of course, S2 did develop a threat in the finale with the massive horde, and it made for, what I argue is the best Season finale of TWD. But that was only for one episode

And then you compare that to the other seasons.

Shane didn't care about the group by that point, he cared about Lori and Carl (in a really unhealthy way) and would have sacrificed any of the others if he felt the need. A guy that's willing to murder his best friend so he can have his family is definitely dangerous :laugh:

He probably would've tried to kill Dale too, had that walker not got there first.

I can see where you're coming from, but he definitely didn't feel like a threat. What situation would Shane have to be in to sacrifice them in such a peaceful place as the farm? If they were at the prison or on the road when he was in more danger, then yes, maybe, but I guess I just never felt like he would ever do damage since well, he had no reason too :worry:

He was the one to open the barn and release all the walkers, so that kinda put the group in danger (even though they dealt with it easily)

Oh I lowkey forgot about that

But yeah as you said it was dealt with easy and I just didn't really feel... scared for them? They could've easy just ran away they were all at a fine enough distance if somehow they got overwhelmed

Like I'm not denying that the man wasn't a danger (I mean I was but when I said it I didn't explain that I didn't believe he was on par with any of the other threats) and he DEFINITELY got what was coming to him but when I was watching I was just more thinking "god can he just go he's so ****ing creepy towards Lori and Carl" rather than "he has to go for the safety of the group :worry:"
I think I may need a rewatch to evaluate my opinion on him again

But the farm was never gonna stay peaceful, as we saw when the horde arrived. If he was still alive when that happened, I could easily see him doing what he did to Otis to any of the others to save himself and Lori and Carl. I did think there was a significant level of threat throughout the season because I felt like if he wants his best friend dead, clearly any of the others who he barely knows in comparison are fair game if the need ever arose.

And honestly, I don't think Lori herself would have been completely safe if she kept rejecting him considering that time he nearly forced himself on her.

And in terms of comparing villains, someone like Negan might be bigger in threat and scope but I much preferred Shane as an antagonist. He felt more real, and more unnerving as a result. Negan's way too over the top and cartoonish.

Oh no as I said, if he stayed he would've been a MASSIVE threat to the group. But in that time and place, I didn't fear for the group, and it's not as if we had reason to in the moment

He DEFINITELY had issues with Lori and what's scary is that he forced himself onto Lori before he was even bad (or that bad) even while she was saying no. There was absolutely no doubt that he would've hurt Lori sometime

I was actually writing a post about this but I didn't find it relevant. Shane came across as a man who fell in love with his best friend's wife and found a family within 2 months of an apocalypse, and while I do think it's a tad weird he got that possessive in a short space of time, we don't know much about Lori and Shane's relationship before the apocalypse. And obviously the apocalypse and the doom of it all would certainly heighten the situation.
The fact he (rightfully) lost all of that and had to see his best friend play happy family with the family he found and lost (I completely disagree with Shane's actions and I don't believe he could "find" Carl or Lori as a family within 2 months) must have really damaged him. And we see that.
And as awful as Shane is, with some things, you can certainly think, "oh **** I get his point" at times. And he's absolutely over the top and crazy, but you don't laugh it off or think "how panto", you realise he's struggling and very real with real emotions that ****ed with his head.

The Governor was somewhat good in this sense when you consider the fact he lost his daughter and we got to see this unravel and how it affected him, but Shane's development and the fact we saw him derail in front of our eyes make me prefer Shane

Negan though? It's the things I hear he does that scare me (lining up every man above the age of 11 and shooting them in the head, beating a teenage boy to death for no reason but to make a point, and everything that's implied with his wives. Oh and of course the Lucille thing is horrifying and as is the face ironing but that's it), not who he is. His personality is just over the time and he's supposed to be comedic yet it just doesn't work...

And the worst thing of it all is that his story doesn't make me feel anything. He was a cheat, and yes he shown remorse for it, but I just couldn't care less that a murdering r*pist dictator feels bad that he hurt his dying wife's emotions and trust.

The problem with Negan is IRL people would just put a gun to his head and he would be dealt with, especially considering he basically forced alot of people to join him. Where as with Shane if Lori wasn't around he would've been a more enjoyable character to see go crazy.

..I really wish Shane as a character had been kept in because I think that ‘rivalry’ between him and Rick could have sustained much longer in creating interest...also obviously it was all Lori’s fault for her infidelity, Shane was a complete innocent and just misunderstood..:laugh:...

...hmmm, I don’t actually think that Negan is a big threat as such because I agree with Carl, in that why do they have to ‘defend’, why don’t they just leave because leaving would preserve more life...so rather than becoming involved in a war situation in the all banding together of groups...surely it would be for all groups to ‘escape’ and leave Negan’s hold and control..I mean, the war is just causing deaths of the non infected, when surely the aim in a situation like that is to preserve the non infected...even, preserving Negan and his group but just not being part of his control and his cruelty...(...obviously Shane would have seen all of that and so preserved many lives, but they decided to see him off, the rats..:laugh:..)...I also think grieving, avenging/revenge etc in that world wouldn’t be the same as we feel with these things and it would have to be moved on from quite quickly in self preservation, so it’s all too much time being taken up with Negan...because he killed two of the main characters, I guess...

absolutely, Negan is pretty ridiculous