I'm not sure what to search for to be fair, and it's an SD thread do like a 70% chance it was deleted :think:

Far less than I should :umm2: I didn't even go straight to sleep either nudge wink :joker:. This thread got me all hot under the... Collar...

This is off topic but only just seeing this and wanted to reply, everyone has their own ideas of what a good poster is chuff and obviously you will think anyone you are friends with is one of them but I'm sorry to say no that's not how it works in fact some of the people i'm assuming you talk of were as bad as or worse than most, we moderate the forum every day and see a hell of a lot more than any of you do so don't jump to conclusions thinking we will 'rue the day' for this and that because honestly theres a high likelyhood that we wont.

Maybe it was an overreaction to what I saw as sexist views. Feminism has taken many steps forward in the West only to have some come here and try to take many steps back again which can be extremely frustrating. As a man you may think you understand that but never in the personal way women can.

To completely disregard any other possibility and immediately jump on racism is predictable from some as you don't really care why - you seized on what you considered a triumphant note, believing you had a stick to beat me with and a chance to take the moral high-ground once again.

I never see you voluntarily decry the blatant sexism practiced by some religions, only perhaps if pushed when trying to defend your double standards. I don't care what you or people like you think and I will defend my corner but I will in the most part try to be reasonably polite about it, although naturally that is harder to do when those still in the playground throw around words they think will evoke the biggest reaction.

I think it has little to with racism, sexism or any other ism on your part and more to do with trying to take the moral high-ground at the same time as trying to undermine and belittle others. You do enjoy it in my opinion.

(The thread in question http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...hlight=slavery)

Do you feel good now! :bored:

On many occasions, I’ve tried to steer away from your intolerance and slurry-pit of disinformation for all things Muslim because its intolerance that sometimes borders on the extreme. I apologize for appearing rude, but from the looks of things, you appear to care passionately about complex issues that you fail to fully understand.

If you only want sensible replies, then try leading the way with sensible Ops and not ones that sound like an echo chamber of disgust. If you can’t do that then expect some lessons in reality and stop acting butthurt when posters get vocally defensive. If you want to discuss extremists, go right ahead but stop attacking the moderates and stop attacking a faith. Islamic State within the Muslim faith is “takfirist” which means “scum” (I think we all agree with that) so let's have a cogent discussion about them; let's discuss the bad eggs and not constantly try to tarnish an entire people. There is no harm in a critical assessment of any belief system. It only becomes disturbing when we start overgeneralizing a religion or a political movement.

I’m an atheist, who’s spent years living in the metropolis of London where Christians, Muslims, and Jews generally get along very well and respectfully with each other. I’ve lived in the Middle East where I have broken bread and talked about the same mythology with Muslim friends and I have a good understanding of just how adaptable most Muslims are to different cultures and other religions. Whilst I accept that there are some stupid Muslim bigots, I also accept there are some stupid anti-Muslim bigots, I refuse to accept a barrage of confirmation bias caused by the actions of a few scumbags, so as long as you continue to characterize 1.8 billion people on this planet, don’t expect me or others to sit here quietly.

Are you trying to say that moderate Muslims don't have sexist views - I would disagree with that. Many British non-Muslim men still have sexist views so I don't think that is being very realistic. To attempt to imply that the only Muslim men who are sexist are the extremists is either naïve or disingenuous.

With the increasing amount of Muslim women walking around in Britain in niqabs and burkhas that would suggest otherwise, unless you are saying all these women and their husbands are extremists. Trouble is this kind of sexism is blatant, on public display and waved around like a flag in my opinion and as a woman I reserve the right to have a problem with that - so equally don't expect me to sit here quietly.

the whole "muslim" ideology is based on fantastical 7th century middle eastern lies and assumed wisdom from that time, to try and pretend its anything else is dangerous. Its an inherited god cult that has no place in the UK or anywhere tbh.

But Brillo... Do you genuinely believe that all or most Muslim men are sexist? Do you see a Muslim man and immediately assume that he is sexist? More importantly - as per the school thread - do you see people with a middle eastern opinion, assume that they are Muslim, and THEN assume sexist motives? Also... Do you think that it's ONLY Muslims who are sexist? Because I know a lot of extremely sexist old pigs (work hazard) and 90% of them are white and British born. Yes, one of the worst is a Muslim guy, who doesn't even like to be served by female staff - BUT - there are at least a dozen other Muslim customers or customers "with the appearance of someone who may be Muslim" who are polite, respectful, chatty and cheerful. You just can't go around judging a whole group of people based on the most extreme examples? Because like I said, there are still plenty of disrespectful, aggressively sexist British men around but you wouldn't judge all British men based on their behaviour.

That's the difference and that's what makes it - shudder to use the term - pretty racist. You make sweeping assumptions about individuals based on what they look like, or where they are from. That's the issue here.

I think you've decided that people don't care about sexism in Muslim communities or that it isn't a problem. Yes, it is a problem. Yes, it should definitely be addressed and not ignored, but if anything your valid points get completely lost as soon as you start making these generalisations... Am I guilty of ruining some of your threads? Probably, yeah, but nowhere near as many as you ruin yourself by losing the focus of the issue and making it about "all" or "most" of a group.

Thank you, my memory is serving me well, didn't see it at the time, the thread shows that Brillo may have made a presumption based on the picture and the family name, or she may know that Wahid is a muslim name, not sure which, it also shows Brillo shows great restraint under provocation and remains polite and argues her corner in a polite manner unless pushed.

I would agree with that as well

Thank you Cherie.

As most might be aware I don't disagree with this about religion in general; it's an outdated concept that had its place once in cultural progression but now does nothing but hold back progress. I think I've made that abundantly clear in a lot of threads... I am hugely skeptical of religion and I find it deeply problematic on many levels and yes that includes Islam. There is still plenty of extreme opinion in Christianity, I personally think they're just more used to keeping it hidden.

For example, a Christian friend of mine who I thought was very moderate (you know, like a casual-religious person) basically ended up admitting during a discussion that she's only OK with gay people "because it's up to God to pass judgement not her" but that she does fully believe that gay people "are sinners and can't get into heaven unless they repent". I would honestly never have expected her to hold those beliefs... But they are there for many.

So yes I agree that giving religion special status is dangerous - but I also believe that giving Islam special status separate to religion in general is also dangerous and distracting. "Islam is bad, Catholicism is good and gentle". It's just not accurate.

It being a traditionally Muslim name is no more relevant than if it was a traditionally Christian name, though, my first daughter's first and middle names are biblical but we're both non-religious... Their name says nothing about their current religious status or how strictly they adhere to it. Or they may well be Muslim, but that still says nothing about the mother's motivations for her complaint... It's all pure assumption, based on their name and POSSIBLE cultural background and if that isn't prejudice, then prejudice doesn't exist?

But fair enough Cherie, I'll give to her that she's not easily riled or rattled, however I disagree that the content of a post is automatically A-OK just because it's argued with a level head.

I’m not sure why you are going off on this old chestnut but it doesn’t surprise me. Extremism is ISIS… that’s what I was talking about; the rest is a point of view which we either agree, disagree or find common ground that we both agree on. What you shouldn’t do but persistently do, do, is attempt educate people like me with your hate and fear of people who aren’t like you. If you really abhor the way some faiths subjugate their women, you need to include all faiths that do this and not just one. If you can't include them all, I can't have a polite conversation with you about them.


Here you go again with the women in niqabs and burkas… apparently and according to black propaganda, fueled by the media and dodgy reporting, they are growing in numbers. Its textbook scaremongering Brillo.
I tried to turn this towards terrorist organizations and you immediately swung it back round to the “why I generally dislike Muslims and here’s my evidence” argument. There is hatred and there is willful ignorance in all factions in all nations and equally, there are people of tolerance, education, and goodwill. Which side you choose is up to you.

The tragic thing is, if we hadn’t had terrorist attacks from ISIS and Al-Qaida, nobody would be talking so odiously about the Muslim faith. All of this hateful rhetoric is born from terrorism. The hatred and fear of Muslims is an ISIS agenda. I refuse to support them.

Speak for yourself,I find brillos posts interesting and thought provoking,she must be sick of the insults she gets in here,no wonder people leave, 'funny how you feel comfortable insulting someone who has a differing opinion to you,I notice you soon dive in with your 'weary' posts to try being a smart arse and belittling brillo,or trying to, it's not working,you sound like a bit of a bully tbh.

Spot on,it's been happening a while now,:clap1::clap1::clap1::clap1:

I don't dislike Brillo. The only posters I dislike on here are the two liners who come in with a pokey stick and have very little to say. I think Brillo is passionate about her beliefs and she takes time and patience to write about the things that trouble her. The discussions with Brillo are bound to be highly energetic because of the subject matter. Just as Brillo expresses herself about emotive subjects, people will reply with equal emotion.

If that's seen as bullying, then I'm in the wrong place.

Oh FFS Kazanne, crawling out of the woodwork to gang up with people... to complain about people ganging up. You couldn't make this **** up. :joker:

I've had plenty to say about Brillo but actually, I have to be fair to her, as much as I dislike her thoughts and opinions, at least she actually HAS her own thoughts and opinions.

At least Brillo gives this forum something to get its teeth into. Expression is the spice of life when it comes to having a serious debate.

Can I just remind people that this is Serious Debates...the whole point is really to disagree/agree with people, chances are there will be people who you disagree with alot, how is that "ganging up" People who haven't posted here in a long time though suddenly appearing to back up someone however seems a little like that to me............how ironic :laugh:

Thank you Kaz! :flower:

I'll remember that the next time I am baited and get infracted when I bite back.

As for posters who don't post so regularly, maybe due to the persistent goading of those with non-PC views, the fact that they do speak up when they feel something is unacceptable just demonstrates strong feelings and a strong sense of injustice to me whether or you agree with their sentiments.

Most people would consider that a desirable quality.