Could a woman not as likely drug and rape a man, why do we not see this happening?

Vicky mentions the brain in connection with socialisation which is reasonable and legitimate.

You think admitting its mainly men who do this is blinkered campaigning and soapboxing? Really?

I would say the debate and discussion on this topic should really be WHY is it mainly men who do this. You said just before it might have something to do with strength and such. Well yes it might, thats probably a part of it, because men CAN just do what they like to women. I doubt thats the only reason though.

If there was a changearound tomorrow and suddenly women were stronger than men, I really do not think we would suddenly have a switcharound in offending rates and suddenly women would be sexually assaulting men in droves. I don't think its solely down to strength.

Good point. Again. There are ways where women could overpower a man pretty easily. But they don't (disclaimer, one new story where this happened proves nothing tbh..before one is searched for. Yes a couple of women may have done this, but again nowhere near on the scale of men). Why is this :think:

prejudice?... You accused me of being a radical feminist for using the word 'mansplaining'... Get some perspective!

Not sure if I should splice this thread and put the sexual assault part in another thread or not. Mind its all relative, I guess. The thread is now offtopic, but it makes sense how its got to here :laugh:

No, and I haven't denied that it's men who do this more than women (when it comes to actual violent assault and rape) - I do deny that it's "rare" for women to do more minor things like catcalling and groping in bars / clubs. No one has tried to suggest that it is equal or anywhere near equal when it comes serious assault.

Overall this comment was directed at Kizzy because she's doing it in every thread. Buzzwords, mantras, slogans and gifs. Soapboxing with absolutely no intention of having a debate or discussion. Just the flipside of ... Certain other posters. :shrug:

Thats exactly what I have been doing :think:

It's distasteful how it has, as in the inference that letting transwomen in ladies loos might raise the risk of assault, you can't hide form the possibility that predators could go to those lengths :/

The word "Mansplaining" is combative feminist rhetoric, used for soapboxing and point scoring, designed to belittle, insult and trivialise. It has no place in any rational debate or discussion.

Saying things like 'not all men are like that' and 'women do it too' may be defensive but I don't think it's entirely unreasonable for someone to want to add it to the conversation. Nobody's actually denied that men commit the most sexual assaults, I don't think that's anyone's intention.
Tbf sometimes people do refer to 'all men' and lump us all together, not in this thread but generally speaking, it's kind of instinctive just to want to point out that that's not the case (maybe that's to do with our socialisation lol) even if it's not really necessary to do so. I don't think there's any bad intent with it or trying to take anything away from women or it even being because people feel insulted tbh.

I think that would be a really good idea [emoji23] there's obvious links but it's a different topic now and an interesting one that's worthy of its own discussion imo.

[QUOTE=Christmas treeza;9720341]Could a woman not as likely drug and rape a man, why do we not see this happening?[/QUOTE

It’s just not built into their psyche in the same way as men in my opinion, for a miriad of different reasons, including social conditioning.

Men often seem to have a need to prove their strength, not so much physical, and position in the social hierachy - with some having a screwed-up perspective.

For some men sex is power - they are unable to see what really counts. Women tend not to think like that in my opinion.

What buzzwords, mantras or slogans have I used?...
Could I have an example of my 'soapboxing' please?

This is all brand new information, I had no idea you were building this catalogue of resentment towards me :/

But that is true. The amount of 'transwomen' (I say in brackets as its debateable if these people actually have sex dysphoria) who have been done for sexual assault/rape is ridiculous. In prisons, the amount of people who are 'trans' and done for sexual assault are far higher (percentage wise) than normal men who do it. Predators go to extraordinary lengths to gain access to their victims. Saying they are a woman in their head is nothing really.

The entire movement as it is now, is so detrimental to actual transsexual people. Its detrimental to them, and its also detrimental to women.

Also the only study done does show that even transwomen who are transitioning with hormones or more...retain 'male pattern violence'. Which makes perfect sense as they were on the whole, socialized as male.

Its awkward to talk about it sure. But its a talk that simply HAS to be had. And at the moment any discussion of it gets shut down with cries of 'transphobia'. For gods sake, even when transsexual people speak about it they are accused of being transphobes...

I can't find a place to splice to make the new thread make sense. If I just make another thread can discussion about this move to there maybe? Or continue here, whichever :laugh:

I don't need to find specific examples Kizzy, you don't discuss anything, you announce your opinions with no intent to actually discuss them. Soapboxing.

I suppose it doesn't really matter. I just think if more news comes out about Lily and people want to add it this thread, or add something to this original discussion it would be a bit hard/messy? It's not important though if you can't

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...ng#post9230343

Strange, because the last and only time I have used that term on this forum was on exactly the same topic, I used it to brillo ..and you quoted me, not to berate me or accuse me of being a radical feminist or that I was belittling insulting or trivialising the debate... but simply to inform me that brillo was a woman.

So it appears that you are only grossly offended at the accusation being leveled at yourself!

The only other time the word has been used in the history of the forum is by northern monkey in one of his 'PC' dragging you tube vids, that nobody bar arista commented on.

There will be more news about Lily. For sure. You know the list of people who are happy for a male person to be taking spaces on the jo cox women in leadership thing? Well the people who resigned on the CLP when Anne Ruzlo had to quit due to being harassed for 'transphobic views' (worrying about the impact on females) are currently gathering signatures to say its wrong. So this ****storm has not ended yet D:

I have no doubts though that Labour will stand by the ridiculous decision. There are many many people saying they will no longer vote Labour due to Labour clearly not giving a **** about women. This whole thing seems to be ensuring yet another Tory win.

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_...eadership?pg=1

200 people so far. Including me.

I would never vote Tory as they are evil. But I don't think I can vote for a party that has such misogynistic views either. And Corbyn fully supports this crap. Might have to spoil my next ballot as no party seems willing to stand up for the rights of women (or children, or gay people...with the 'transing' gender non-conforming kids scandal thats currently happening) :bored:

Corbyn supports a lot of dubious views in my opinion - hence why I have never liked or trusted the man. He says the right things when it suits.

Is it technically off topic that you've brought this back on topic [emoji14] but yeah I agree it's not going to go away. Maybe in that case a new thread for all the other stuff would be best?

So that's a no then... You have nothing except 'I state my opinion'
I do discuss things, you might have not noticed as you usually follow me around saying 'well, no because..' Have a look, you do it often.

I'm glad I've had this opportunity to tell you how wearing it is having someone constantly attempting to undermine my opinion on any given topic.
I hope you appreciate that you can and do come across as mansplaining at times.

Corbyn is an odd one. He says there is a need for female only carriages on trains. But he also thinks its fine for any man to say he is a woman. Where do those views held simultaneously make any sense?

Problem if, both main parties support this regressive anti-woman bull****. As do the greens. Not sure on the Lib Dem view...but I suppose its the same as Labour. There is NO party willing to stand up for women (the kind without penises). I find that really sad.

I would say that is my only worry that there is a danger of trying to be all things to all people, you are are at risk of alienating one group by supporting another. That is one topic trasnskids, I have done a 180 on, I was for the halting of puberty with drugs... and now I feel that counselling, support and peer mentoring is a better way.

Baiting, Kizzy. Better luck next time though.

To simplify this though;

You state an opinion. I state a counter opinion; this is debate and discussion. You now try to shut that counter opinion down by bleating "Mansplaining", in an attempt to negate it and leave only your original opinion.

This is soapboxing.

Definitely. I would say giving puberty blockers is actually child abuse. There is a huge scandal in America of people given Lupron (the chemotherapy drug used to halt puberty) who have gone onto have lifelong medical problems off it, and this is fully grown women who were given it for only a few months. The effects on a childs body who has been given it for years is...awful to think about really.

Watchful waiting, is clearly the way to go with kids. Not drugging them up to the eyeballs just because they don't follow bloody stereotypes. I mean, there are parents saying their bloody 3 year olds are trans now. Its just silly.

Its a sad statistic really, but when non-conforming kids are just left alone to develop (with counseling and such) 80-95% (depending where you look) of them effectively 'grow out' of their questioning. But when they are put onto blockers, near 100% go onto cross sex hormones. So blockers are NOT simply 'to give them time to figure it out'. Putting them on blockers is a self fulfilling prophecy.

Yes, the 5-20% of kids who do not grow out of it may benefit from blockers. But there is no way to tell which actually will grow up to be trans and which won't. I don;t feel its right to effectively throw 80% of kids under the bus to benefit the 20%. Watchful waiting is clearly the answer. If they still feel 'wrong' when they are adults, THEN drug them up and give them plastic surgeries to resemble to opposite sex.

Though, transition is made out to be the 'wonder cure' for trans people. When studies actually show that 5-10 years 'post transition' the suicide rate actually is higher than before any transition...something to think about really. I really do feel that 'transition' is not that different to giving someone with BDD a boob job, or cutting off a 'transabled' persons leg. Treating the illness but not the cause, in a way. Bandaid on a broken leg.

If it helps an individual person, great. Good for them. But much much more investigation and study needs to go into the whole thing. There was a guy..James Caspian..has worked with trans people most of his life and wanted to do a study on 'detransitioned' people. And was blocked from doing that study as the University he worked for were afraid of the response from transactivists, they were afraid of being labelled transphobic. Why would they be afraid of more study being done on people this affects?

Definitely more work needs to be done about how best to support these people.

I actually think with this 'transkids' thing there is going to be a massive backlash in 10 years or so. When these kids grow up and realise they were effective experimented on and that the people who should be looking out for their best interests, did not do that. Its similar to lobotomies in a way...the 'wonder cure. Which is anything but. I am worried that the backlash will be the end of the NHS, as the NHS encourage all of this, they signpost people to 'mermaids' (which is a pressure group, noone should be sent to them, they are horrendous). People trust the NHS. People think the NHS will always have their kids best interests. The NHS certainly do not have the kids best interests in this :S