I didn’t say that? I said gay men SEEM to understand MORE THAN straight men

Maybe you should try reading my posts before twisting them as trying to put words in my mouth

Eh? You said no openly gay man has ever had a child with a woman. Who said anything about it being an accident?

So you are saying a man should have no say over his child?

Well it is a lot of people get abortions because of drunken 1 night stands or accidents.

I believe Abortions should only be for medical reasons or if the child is servilely disabled and will have no quality of life

We’re not talking about a child, we’re talking about cells that aren’t a human

that doesn't affect the fundamental right to have an abortion though. That is an issue of irresponsible behaviour which is an entirely different thing.

This looks more than a cluster of cells to me

They should allow the father to decide

Until it's born and he can actually do anything to help, no.

They can have an opinion but at the end of the day, it's not them carrying the baby. The say of what happens is ultimately down to the mother, it's her body, her choice.

His say cannot override that of the woman’s as it is not his body. It isn’t’ complicated. If there is no compromise that both are agreed on then she has to have the final say.

You have a very bizarre definition of interesting.

that's very clinical approach though that takes no account of the partners feelings , and if a woman in a committed stable relationship takes the decision based purely on her own feelings many relationship will not survive that so she might have to be prepared to lose baby and partner

This is kind of an example of what I said earlier in the thread about how people against abortion seem to care more about restricting the choice than what comes after the pregnancy.

Some people aren't fit to be parents or they aren't currently in the right place to be parents, why force them into having children when they aren't ready? Why force them through that process just so the kid can be raised in a struggling or unhealthy environment or raised within the system if the parents give them up?

I like to look at things from all angles, it is easy to make judgements when you are not part of the equation.

And that will be her choice to make. If two people in a relationship have different thoughts on children then that relationship is doomed unless one person is willing to give up what they want for the other person and then you have an issue of resentment between the parents and potentially towards the child if the mother never wanted a baby in the first place.

Letting the mother have the final say is way less messy.

That's why it's lucky that adoption is a thing.

How can she not though? No-one has the right to force her to have a baby she doesn’t want and it would be a big step backwards for women’s rights. It’s one of those sad situations where there this no workable compromise without enforcing a man’s rights over a woman’s rights over her body.

Why should a woman who didn't want to be pregnant in the first place be forced to go through 9 months of trials and tribulations just to give a baby up into the system?

Again, another example of people caring more about forcing the pregnancy to full term than the child that follows it.

Giving birth is not only traumatic and very painful - there is always a risk attached, however minimal. Who then takes responsibility if a woman dies after being forced to give birth - that would be murder in my opinion - and is just one element of this.

Her rights over her own body do and should have priority over the feelings/opinions of a man who does not approve of abortion.

Ireland has done right by its women.

If she doesn't want a child she should take protective precautions

its not forcing, its taking someone that you love into account and not ignoring their feelings, so it should be a compromise, not my body my choice sod you, as a mother of two sons that is quite a worrying prospect

Ireland have voted 2:1 to over turn the current legislation

Right decision, but lets not go down the UK route where it is used as contraception

If women are not willing to take the mans feeling into account then they shouldn't be crying for money from a man to pay for a child he doesn't want

Works both ways

Then he should put a cover on it shouldn’t he. If he doesn’t want a child, protect himself, or stop whining.