Prior to his electionary as leader that was true... but now?
Where are his socialist values now...I don't see them.

So you think he changed since becoming leader, how so?

By abandoning his socialist values.. I just kinda said that.

Starmer is nowhere near Corbyn policy-wise, he's currently at war with the left wing of his party. Bizarre.

Which ones?

starman is a puppet on a string.

The ones he had prior to his role as labour leader . Google is your friend.

You're not being very clear. Why do you think he's abandoned his values? Nothing he's said or done seems to suggest be had. Where are you getting it from?

Let's put this in reverse, which of his pre-election pledges has he kept?

It's my opinion based on my observations, should you take a look back at his career then and now the difference is palpable.
If you don't agree fine.

I didn't particularly keep up with what he pledged before tbh or the process , I didn't really pay attention until he was leader.

But I'd be interested to see why people think he's gone back on things he said he'd do.

Then you are approaching this from a position of ignorance, you can't compare whether mine or anyones stance is valid until you educate yourself and get one of your own.

"educate yourself" :joker: Bless.

I don't even believe you have an opinion apart from "Keith sucks" because you can't specify how he's apparently changed :shrug:

This is a bit overly simplistic, but will give you a quick overview.

https://evolvepolitics.com/fact-chec...edges-already/

Just for the record, Starmer still insists he's a socialist.

Just checked and it's from November, so further reneging has taken part since then.

Damn you Keith :fist:

Who's Keith?...

I don't want to debate with you because you have no counter..you don't know anything about his past values, you just admitted that so it would be entirely pointless.

I have an opinion, you don't.

I'm not a starmer fan tbh , and labour aren't taken seriously anymore . I've always been a labour supporter though.

Thanks for that, interesting read!

Labour's on the up now, opinion polls pretty much always have both the party and Sir Keir ahead of the Tories and BoJo.

I won't hold my breath on labour winning the next election, we're always stuck in a Tory leadership. The faces may change but same old government :notimpressed: .

I guess it depends on how long the Corona stuff goes on for. People have short memories when it comes to politics, but if the tories continue to **** it up making it stretch to <2 years from the election, it could cost them! Like without Corona, or rather his terrible handling of it, Trump would have probably walked into a second term. but his incompetence was really spotlighted by it, and now he's going.

The Tories have about four(?) years left to pretend to be decent before the next election, but that's also four years of being them.

BoJo won't be leading the party for the next election, I'm nearly certain. I'd be surprised if he's still PM next year tbh. Someone like Rishi Sunak heading the party in a post-Covid three years would make Labour's battle tougher.

Yougov poll out today has tories up by 3 points on the back of record cronyism, disastrous handling of the pandemic, brexit shambles, and not feeding kids. With the vaccine on the way, tories will be comfortable way before the next election, and keir will still be trying to out tory the tories.

Starmer is spot on in that report and saying bereaved families are waiting for the true answers, not this government's PM and his Ministers deceit and spin.

There are hoards of them waiting for this inquiry,no wonder he wants it delayed as much as possible, Johnson's also repeatedly refused, yes refused, to meet with bereaved families.

He knows what could be coming from an inquiry, he certainly does.