FGS Cherie :facepalm: , firstly NO I would NOT be happy but I wouldn't be surprised as this is the culture we're in and have been in for a while whether we like it or not.

I don't agree with everything being filmed of course not.

But I can understand why some people film certain situations if they're getting abuse for no reason , as they want evidence to show it was unprovoked and so on.

Attacks by men on men are quite widely known to be the most common... At least the most common requiring hospital treatment at least, and it would make sense that the overall figure would correlate to some extent.

It is to an extent comparing apples with oranges though, as there are scant figures on how many of those assaults involve "mutual" physical attacks (fighting).

When it comes to domestic violence women obviously are the primary victims, although female-on-male violence is reported less. Both are woefully under-reported of course. HOWEVER - and I do think this is an important stat - domestic violence incidents resulting in serious injury or death are MASSIVELY skewed to male-on-female.

I agree and that's why I understand the terror of the woman in the video. She knows fine well that people don't actually give a **** what happened... They'll have made up their mind before even watching the video, and lives have been ruined on far less.

Oh fair dues :laugh:

Yeah totally agree, it also dehumanises people, all you have to say is that person is a "Karen" and that's it they're bad and deserve everything they get

The problem is that any statistic is inevitably flawed because none of them can ever truly quantify an exact number. Rape often goes unreported so there's really no way of saying that Rape is less common than something else because it can never really be proven as such because the exact numbers are unknowable.

Plus the whole 'assault>rape'-ness of the statement just doesn't sit well with me. It feels like Oliver's original statement was downplaying rape by comparing it to another crime and that just grosses me out.

...just to say that the comment was that men get physically assaulted more often than women get raped...and that’s what Dezzy said was impossible to know ...


...rapes may not be reported for varying reasons...

Well, when you look at how rape victims are treated in court and the conviction rates, its easy to see why

...yeah exactly, which I presumed is what Dezzy meant in saying it would be impossible to compare etc..

Pretty much, lazy stereotyping

Yeah I don't agree with harassment / filming . And to follow someone home is just creepy and wrong .

Depends on the context. If it's used to laugh at one of "those" people, it's fine.

But there is a short list of words - Karen, gammon, incel, SJW, cuck, woke, simp - anyone who uses one of those words with a straight face needs to spend less time in front of a screen and meet actual people once in a while :laugh:

I've stayed out of this mess, but i certainly agree with that.

But that's not the case is it? You're suggesting his actions will be justified as she has be labelled a karen..and they are not. There's lots of people who think his actions were abusive.

I don't agree, there is context to 'karen', she is not a social media construct, she is if anything social commentary in the way ' white van man' and 'yuppies' were in recent history.

? Obviously they're not justified by everyone, not everyone buys into this sort of trash. They are being justified by plenty of people, and that's enough of a problem?

I disagree, "karen" started out as a light-hearted observation based meme of a certain type of person and has now been hijacked/usurped into something far more serious, aggressive and sinister. Both are social media constructs.

I have only come across it very recently, it looks to me like its being used to bully people into silence, don’t raise your head above the parapet, be seen and not heard, or you will receive the modern day equivalent of being thrown to the lions

I don't know much about what a 'Karen' is, I presume it's a derogatory term ,reading through the thread I am in agreement with Toy Soldier, Niamh ,Oliver and ,Cherie, why can't people just take people at face value and stop labelling them ?

There's no shame in that tbf.

I watched the Disney version of Alice In Wonderland a couple of days ago and it's one of the most fun Movies that I've seen in awhile.

Basically we can be boomers United.:joker:

I agree with you and Dezzy on this one.

Rape is so rarely reported it's hard to know how many people get raped in a year.

Even my phone is boomer, I go out with a standard call-and-text thing :joker:

I do have an excuse though! My "main" phone was a smartphone, until it broke. I bought a cheap handset to use until my new phone came, and that one used a different SIM card. So I only use it in the house for smartphone type things, and carry the cheap one out in the world :laugh:

Omg.:joker:

Tbf I don't have the most advanced Phone either so I can't mock too heavily on this one.

There will always be twats. . It's just a given, anyone with half a brain cell knows he was out of order.

It has no baring on the existence of karen or why they are relevant from a modern sociological perspective. Imo

Many social observations started out as jokes or even whole characters remember 'loadsamoney'?... he came to embody Essex man the first true blue collar tories.

I thought this at first... it's not unusual for there to be derogatory comments aimed at women on the internet, there will be those who lazily label all middle aged women 'karen' or all middle aged persons 'boomers'
Just like there are those who label all young persons 'millenials' or 'snowflakes'.

The defining feature here is context, I'm a middle aged woman and I think karens exist, I've met some. There have been lots of terms to define sections of society for many years. Chavs, hoodies, milfs, slone rangers, yuppies, bimbos, wags, goths. There's many more that share a common theme in their ideology, dress, age, class. It would be silly to suggest we can't add to that list expecially in the time of the internet as compiling evidence for a shared outlook and or view and dress is made glaringly apparent.

It's not wrong or offensive to admit there are subgroups within society.
And don't forget, if you oppose one you have to oppose all?
For balance and all that

The context of use is important too, though, and in my opinion unless those terms are being used tongue-in-cheek then yeah... I'd oppose all. As soon as any of these terms is used as an attack, or a social media battle horn, it becomes aggressive and sinister. In recent months, the term "Karen" has lost its original usage and is now primarily used aggressively as an insult, taunt or bait or as a lazy dehumanising tactic. Its not just "a few people" at this point. That's the primary function of these terms, and they don't belong anywhere near any rational or civilised debate. And yes, that applies to all of the examples you gave. Do you honestly take anyone seriously once they start throwing around terms like "snowflake", "bloody millenials" or "OK boomer", unironically?

In a WhatsApp message with your friends? Sure. That's different. And it's where these things should stay.