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Kizzy 10-12-2020 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10966660)
Nothing in that article is particularly reassuring ... at all .

Half dose followed by a full dose 21 days later ... both to be kept at below 70C ...


Whilst I appreciate our surgeons are brilliant I don’t quite as much faith in the over worked , often inexperienced nurses..

In one hospital stay I was nearly given a DOUBLE dose ( two injections ) of Warfarin - luckily I queried the second one !!

Whilst on another occasion an inexperienced nurse gave me EIGHT Piriton tablets with a glass of water ... luckily I knew to only take TWO ... but she didn’t !!

She’d mistakenly given me a whole days supply !!

This was ten years ago when the health service was NOT as stretched or underfunded.


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How can you run down an entire profession due to two incidents years apart?...

How silly. It's like saying you don't ride public transport because a driver was at fault in an accident once...

Zizu 10-12-2020 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10967044)
How can you run down an entire profession due to two incidents years apart?...



How silly. It's like saying you don't ride public transport because a driver was at fault in an accident once...



Well one was potentially life threatening and the other the 8 piriton tablets would have probably put me to sleep for quite some time .. not ideal when I was in for breathing problems !!

So pardon me for being slightly cautious...



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Cherie 10-12-2020 09:45 PM

FDA approve Pfizer vaccine for emergency use

Kizzy 10-12-2020 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10967048)
Well one was potentially life threatening and the other the 8 piriton tablets would have probably put me to sleep for quite some time .. not ideal when I was in for breathing problems !!

So pardon me for being slightly cautious...



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Again they were 2 incidents years apart.. a little perspective?

Does that colour your view of the millions of medical treatments carried out by nurses or just inoculations?

Zizu 11-12-2020 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10967259)
Again they were 2 incidents years apart.. a little perspective?



Does that colour your view of the millions of medical treatments carried out by nurses or just inoculations?



Both incidents were in the space of two months actually... and yes it has made me cautious of the ‘little things’ like administering medicine..


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arista 11-12-2020 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10967222)
FDA approve Pfizer vaccine for emergency use

Yes but USA
has had the Worse Deaths in one day.
So they are far too slow getting their vaccine going.


China was first.

bots 11-12-2020 11:12 AM

they are now doing trials combining the russian vaccine with the Astra zeneca one to see if they can improve it. Thats not going to increase peoples confidence in getting vaccinated, i wouldnt trust anything coming out of Russia

Zizu 11-12-2020 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10967426)
they are now doing trials combining the russian vaccine with the Astra zeneca one to see if they can improve it. Thats not going to increase peoples confidence in getting vaccinated, i wouldnt trust anything coming out of Russia



Great ... combining two completely separate, unproven vaccines TOGETHER !!

What could go wrong !?


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Cherie 11-12-2020 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10967571)
Great ... combining two completely separate, unproven vaccines TOGETHER !!

What could go wrong !?


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They are just starting the trial now, they will not be rolling it out untested :laugh:

They will be looking for recruits, fancy it Zizu?

bots 11-12-2020 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10967576)
They are just starting the trial now, they will not be rolling it out untested :laugh:

They will be looking for recruits, fancy it Zizu?

they are trialing it in Russia .... good luck to them :laugh:


Its actually not as daft as it sounds as they both use the same technology, ie a genetically modified cold virus

Kizzy 11-12-2020 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10967274)
Both incidents were in the space of two months actually... and yes it has made me cautious of the ‘little things’ like administering medicine..


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OK 2 incidents 10 yes ago. I'm not saying it wasn't important or downplaying the severity of what could have happened, however when you tar a whole profession due to a bad experience it is a tad extreme.

Zizu 11-12-2020 07:16 PM

Light at the end of the tunnel - Covid [vaccine news]
 
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10967672)
OK 2 incidents 10 yes ago. I'm not saying it wasn't important or downplaying the severity of what could have happened, however when you tar a whole profession due to a bad experience it is a tad extreme.



I certainly didn’t intend to ‘tar’ anyone .... just explained what happened to me on two occasions when the NHS was in a far better state and not overwhelmed ...


This kind of thing ..

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Nicky91 12-12-2020 12:59 PM



information regarding vaccine procedures for the EU countries

Kizzy 12-12-2020 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10967724)
I certainly didn’t intend to ‘tar’ anyone .... just explained what happened to me on two occasions when the NHS was in a far better state and not overwhelmed ...


This kind of thing ..

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Two not even nearly comparable events . .. :/

bots 12-12-2020 04:01 PM

the mass vaccination of people combined with the very particular way the vaccine has to be handled makes this all very challenging for anyone. People are being vaccinated now, if it has some teething problems, so what ... peoples lives are being saved by the thousands

Zizu 12-12-2020 06:20 PM

Light at the end of the tunnel - Covid [vaccine news]
 
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10968014)
Two not even nearly comparable events . .. :/



Of course they’re connected..

The last two bullet points show how there’s confusion .. that’s when mistakes are made


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Kizzy 12-12-2020 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10968146)
Of course they’re connected..

The last two bulket points show how there’s confusion .. that’s when mistakes are made


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Nope one was a clinical error and the other administrative. .. not the same.

hijaxers 12-12-2020 08:52 PM

My friends dad has had message to say his appointment is imminent ~ he is 89 and has copd.

Zizu 12-12-2020 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10968356)
Nope one was a clinical error and the other administrative. .. not the same.



The point I was making was the ‘potential’ for errors will be high in the current situation..


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Zizu 12-12-2020 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hijaxers (Post 10968358)
My friends dad has had message to say his appointment is imminent ~ he is 89 and has copd.



Hope everything goes well ...


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Kizzy 12-12-2020 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10968361)
The point I was making was the ‘potential’ for errors will be high in the current situation..


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Nope all it shows me is nurses can make mistakes they are human ... to really eff things up royally you need the government.

user104658 12-12-2020 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10968361)
The point I was making was the ‘potential’ for errors will be high in the current situation..


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I don't necessarily think you're wrong, not due to staff competence but due to the sheer scale of vaccination efforts.

However, I don't think there's huge cause for alarm - any errors are likely to result in ineffective vaccination rather than actual physical harm. The only real errors I can see occurring are clinical in the vaccines not being stored properly (which will just make them not work, it won't make them harmful) and administrative in people missing the second dose or getting it after too long a gap which again would just lessen effectiveness.

If the vaccines themselves are not harmful, then I don't think there's huge risk of harm being caused by staff error.

Zizu 12-12-2020 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10968398)
Nope all it shows me is nurses can make mistakes they are human ... to really eff things up royally you need the government.



Again my point is people make more mistakes when they are overwhelmed/ overworked / understaffed ..


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Kizzy 13-12-2020 12:37 AM

Inexperienced you said...
A degree not enough for you to administer a vaccine?

Zizu 13-12-2020 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10968432)
Inexperienced you said...
A degree not enough for you to administer a vaccine?



Not if they’re not used to doing it ...

I’ve had nurses who struggled to take blood before now ..

They’re talking about ‘training’ people to give the injections due to the sheer numbers involved


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