live guns are everywhere in america :laugh:

In some states for sure but they shouldn’t ever be in a film studio props department ( on a film featuring guns ) .


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I'm putting trust in Alec Baldwin not being a deranged psychopath.

Agreed


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I don't think he meant to kill anyone. But yes he should have checked.

People may call it a prop gun like it wasn't a real firearm but it was. It was a Colt .45 that, according to testimony from the armourer's trial, had been used by crew to fire live ammunition at tin cans that morning. It's clear what happened, one of more live rounds was left in the chamber then it wasn't checked by the armourer nor by Baldwin. Also, Baldwin claims he never pulled the trigger but the pistol was checked by the FBI who concluded that the gun couldn't have fired without the trigger being pulled. It's a sh1t show, for sure.

Well in that case WHOEVER handed that gun to Baldwin for the scene should be jailed for gross negligence.


End of .

How many people could actually tell if its a real gun with live ammo .

The whole idea is preposterous ..


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The armourer was jailed for 18 months for manslaughter. She's been fired from other films for negligence. Why anyone would employ her is beyond me. Baldwin should face a similar custodial sentence, I reckon. You never point a firearm at anyone, ever, unless you mean to shoot them, and you always check the gun. A simple check would have verified that one or more rounds were live.

lets also not forget that Baldwin was the film producer. The person ultimately responsible for the safety of staff on the set

He was presumably shooting at someone in the scene .. how could he NOT point it at them ?


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This is what got this thread
alive again

It wasn't a take. Plus, again, he should have checked.

Agree with Livia. Anyone handling a gun should check the chamber and if in doubt the weapon should not be discharged.

At the end of the day a woman has lost her life at the hands of Bladwin. Whether he meant it or not there is a family grieving a woman who lost her life at work and it shouldn't have happened

I just think he would have had so much on his mind at the time of the scene - it just wouldn’t cross your mind that it was possibly a live gun .

Has this ever happened in the last 100 years ?


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Brandon Lee was shot on set and died making The Crow.

If a member of my family were shot in the course of their work, I would want everyone who had responsibility for their safety at work to face consequences

Having too much on their mind would not be an excuse for me I'm afraid.

It is a tragedy but accountability needs to be taken

Like @AnnieK says, Brandon Lee died on set. He died because the gun was emptied of cartridges but no one checked the barrel. A round his misfired and lodged in the barrel. Consequently, when it was loaded with a blank and fired, there was enough power to fire the lodged bullet. Similarly, in 1984, Actor Jon-Erik Hexum held a blank-loaded pistol against his head and fired, pretending to play Russian roulette. The power of the blank round was enough to blow a piece of his skull into his brain and he died. Everyone handling firearms, whether loaded with blanks or unloaded, should be checked and checked again and everyone on a set should understand the dangers.

Yes, another Massive Error.
He had a great future

Well maybe they should stop using real guns on set then ....If they can't even do proper checks . Health and safety should always be their priority, otherwise what's the point.

Actors haven't just died because of gunfire in set. They've died by drowning, falling from a horse, aeroplane crashes, car crashes... You can't ban them all. Safety training is the way, I think, to minimise the risks.

It's standard practice when handling firearms. My son is in the army cadets. They get to shoot weapons and prior to being able to even step foot inside the range, they had to study and pass a weapons handling test. This included checking the chamber and never, ever pointing a gun at anyone that hasn't been checked.

I honestly have no idea why they would have real guns in a film studio in the first place !


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I bet he'll never forget that training either.

I don't think he will. Its drilled into them. He loves it though and has given him more respect for guns

They'll probably argue it's for 'realism' , but then they should make sure only blanks are used & fired .

Gosh that's new(ish) I was in the ATC and we absolutely did not have tests. We probably should have to be fair, as there was a incident where another cadet loaded his rifle while people were down range (I was one of them) and - I swear to god - I have never heard someone go off like that instructor. Kid probably still has PTSD.

But yeah the had us firing low-caliber rifles on the first week with no safety training whatsoever :joker: