There's a difference between a woman that looks butch, to a woman that might be biologically male.:laugh:

Maybe Martina was just the better player tbf.:laugh:

Just like how poor Raducanu has players that are better than her, unfortunately.

Everyone gets defined by their physical attributes to some extent.

It's Human nature.

Imane Khelif is biologically female

end of



muslims can't be trans, they just can't



my point was more that you just have women who have more muscle, masculine qualities


more examples: Williams sisters (Serena & Venus) as if they look any feminine

or Simona Halep, whom even underwent breast reduction surgery to enhance her performances on court



the only exception of a successful sportswoman in the tennis, Maria Sharapova i guess (but then again she used doping, and lets not go further into that)



Raducanu isn't that good of a player honestly, she's more an influencer sort of type :fan:



my current personal favourite Jessica Pegula, doesn't look too masculine for my liking, (she's quite HOT tbh, but that is my personal taste perhaps) her advantages are more coming from quite a good amount of wealth, which she cleverly invests into having her own hard court, clay court at her mansion in Florida + a lot of years in the doubles also made her the experienced player she is today, and she transitions that quite decently into her singles game, from lower ranked (below top 700 even) to the top 10 ranked she is today

+ passion for sports runs in the Pegula family, that also helps a lot

incorrect

says you


and i say otherwise, that's the fun thing of a free world, where we all have different opinions

The only fun thing in the free world is that the morons stilll facilitating this nonsense can be ridiculed by the more sane members of society.

again

incorrect

Personally I hope that you're right, because it means that all of Khelif's fights were legit, which as someone that loves competitions I do want to see a fair contest, or as fair as humanly possible anyway.

And yeah Raducanu isn't the best Tennis player, but like with Birmingham City Football Club I will keep rooting for her to win major events.:laugh:

I'm not going to keep going on too much with this debate (it's going in circles, which is fine but a clear indication that there's nothing more to be gained from it either way) however I pedantically do have to pick this one up because it's just a baseline misunderstanding of statistics.

If the percentage of sports accolades won out of all women's sports is higher than the percentage of trans women in the general population, then that's statistical evidence of a category advantage. It doesn't matter if it's only a few. If it's a percentage that's disproportionate to the ratio in the whole population, then it's a statistically significant advantage. That's just plain basic scientific method.

I refer the learned gentleman to the title of the thread

Did you miss the post where the test was leaked and it is confirmed Kalief is biologically male, I dont think you did Mock.... but you are finding it hard to come to terms with the fact that the IOC completely ignored this and allowed women to be put in danger on live tv due to not caring about women and only caring about looking inclusive

Boxer Imane Khelif Has XY Chromosomes And "Testicles"
 

This ‘person’ was competing in men’s events two years earlier





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Boxer Imane Khelif Has XY Chromosomes And "Testicles"
 

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Is that test confirmed to be Khelif's?

Because tbh nowadays I never know what to believe when it comes to what the Media reports.

So Khelif is actually Trans? Because I'm getting confused on if she's Trans or Intersex.:laugh:

This is what I mean when I say that the Media makes it hard to know what the truth even is half of the time.

trans is a thought and intersex is a condition

both are either male or female

Why do you think he was banned by the WBO and why the ban was uncontested ...:whistle:

I understand that, but no stats have yet been provided.

The truth is, trans women, if they were at an insane advantage would DOMINATE their sport. They would win literally everything. That isn't happening. They might win the odd match or a swim or a game, or they might beat a record (records are being beaten all the time) but there is no trans woman continuously dominating their sport time after time after time. They win some and they lose lsome ike every other participant.

Not all women are the same as you and want the same as you. Not all women want to be defined by their body.

I'm not calling for redefinition, I'm calling for a relaxing of how women (in fact, people in general) are defined so women aren't pigeonholed by their uterus.

Nobody is asking you to think yourself differently, you can think of your womanhood how you want, but other women can too and if that isn't tied to their womb or their vagina then that's also fine was my point.

The only people instructing women how they should define themselves are people like JK Rowling and those supporting the Supreme Court ruling.

Whines about people saying the word "cis" but calls someone who was born and raise female in a country that doesn't recognise trans people in any capacity "he" without seeing any actual evidence or proof... can't work out if that's dumb or just hateful or maybe it's both.

I'm done here.

Have you not seen what’s happening on tje states ?

Loads of protests at sporting events across the country and its only gonna get worse now ..

The other ‘young ladies’ are refusing to even share the podium with them


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Tbh the reason I referred to him as a 'he' is due to you continually ignoring my requests to stop referring to cis women, cis men, we know what you mean we dont need the prefix, you dont care to accommodate me, so whats good for the goose etc and now who is whining? I could say its hateful or dumb or both to ignore female members requests to quit with the cis nonsense but you carried on anyway as you know best apparently

and what do you mean NO PROOF, so the WBO just banned on a whim did they?

there are no trans people in countries with islam as main religion

How come you're quite accepting of that? Insisting we all accept it, but cutting Islam slack? Sounds like a double standard to me.