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No lies, World Bank and OECD say the same, government projections say the same, Brexit for UK is damaging.
It's an ideological project. Boris famously summed it up saying "fook business"

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10476366)

No lies, World Bank and OECD say the same, government projections say the same, Brexit for UK is damaging.
It's an ideological project. Boris famously summed it up saying "fook business"

Yes Boris is no longer a Minister
so he can feck off, himself

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10476369)

Yes Boris is no longer a Minister
so he can feck off, himself

If only, Arista
Tories want him as Prime Minister :eek:

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10476371)

If only, Arista
Tories want him as Prime Minister :eek:

Not enough want him , now

Tonight more votes
Ch4HD News 7PM Live from Westminster
BBC2HD 7PM News Special Vote Andrew Neil
SkyNewsHD 7PM Live from Westminster
LBC Radio 7PM Ian Dale Live in Westminster
CNN HD 7PM Live from Westminster.

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10476375)

Not enough want him , now

not enough MPs, but grassroots love him

he even cut his hair to look less like a clown
but he's still a clown

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10476366)

No lies, World Bank and OECD say the same, government projections say the same, Brexit for UK is damaging.
It's an ideological project. Boris famously summed it up saying "fook business"

PROJECT FEAR ON STEROIDS :nono:

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10476413)

not enough MPs, but grassroots love him

he even cut his hair to look less like a clown
but he's still a clown

It does not change anything
that he has a Haircut.
He his not wanted
Many MP's would resign.

Anyway our new leader will be Ree-Smog, so learn to tug your forelocks...

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10476429)

Anyway our new leader will be Ree-Smog, so learn to tug your forelocks...

No he does not want that job.

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10476429)

Anyway our new leader will be Ree-Smog, so learn to tug your forelocks...

:hehe: that'd be hilarious: Smog as pm and Boris as a deputy
add Leadsom, Fox, Davies, Grayling, Priti Patel and we'll have the government of all the talents
:joker:

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10476429)

Anyway our new leader will be Ree-Smog

Yuck that’s a disgusting idea :umm2:

No Deal must get majority

Excellent commentary in the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-europe-eu-mps

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Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 10476449)

No Deal must get majority

Yes it could happen tonight

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10476451)

Excellent commentary in the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-europe-eu-mps

Yes it is
Twosugars

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10476454)

Yes it could happen tonight

it could, but i do also agree with others they could just vote it off and going into the delay and possible new referendum

Good on Jess Phillips Labour MP
who lives in a north area, who voted Leave
she voted remain , ignoring them.
She just said in Parliament "they can vote me out"
At least she is honest

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Originally Posted by TomC (Post 10476466)

Is the vote at 7pm?

Yes

Tonight more votes
Ch4HD News 7PM Live from Westminster
BBC2HD 7PM News Special Vote Andrew Neil
SkyNewsHD 7PM Live from Westminster
LBC Radio 7PM Ian Dale Live in Westminster
CNN HD 7PM Live from Westminster.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...brexit-zealots

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Hypnotised by cake and unicorns, the Brexit perfectionists have blown it
Oliver Norgrove
Two clear chances to leave the EU have been squandered in dogged pursuit of an immaculate Brexit
• Oliver Norgrove worked on the Vote Leave campaign
Wed 13 Mar 2019 MT

The result of yesterday’s meaningful vote in the House of Commons, much like the first in January, was emblematic of a very striking Brexit reality: that the principle barrier to leaving the EU comes from the very people most desperate to see it happen.

The Tory right have had two clear chances to push Brexit over the line, two clear chances that were squandered in dogged pursuit of a “perfect” vision of Brexit. What makes their intransigence all the more useless is their collective inability to produce any worthwhile negotiating alternative. What we have witnessed is an exercise in prioritising ideology over what is best for the country.

The hardliners, persistent in their belief that the UK would in the end be afforded special treatment by the EU, have served only to undermine the very mandate they seek to protect. They have spent months shifting the negotiating goalposts and conjuring up unsatisfactory plans not worth the paper they were written on.

The failure of the UK’s political system should also not be ignored. We fought a referendum as if it were a general election, with a campaign acting like a potential government. We triggered article 50 without even the faintest semblance of a plan. And we failed to properly understand the nature of EU third country operations and why the Brexit talks were never going to be standard negotiations.

The Northern Ireland issue in particular stands as strong evidence of this. Had we thought more about how we could plan our EU departure around the Good Friday agreement and cross-border relations, we might not have found ourselves so stuck. But the cavalier way the Irish border was dismissed is a symptom of a problem much wider than Brexit.

For years, Britain simply hasn’t paid enough attention to Northern Ireland. It has at times been treated like an unwanted son, with its appalling levels of poverty – some of the worst in the country – not even registering a blip on Britain’s political radar. Brexit’s collapse is in part a manifestation of this very serious problem.

And so the end result of the current parliamentary logjam is that Brexit is pretty much unworkable. There exists no majority for any particular outcome, and neither another referendum nor another general election can claim to be silver bullet solutions to this constitutional crisis.

What happens now is a matter of speculation. It is perhaps possible to imagine a scenario in which the Brexit deadline of 29 March is extended to 22 May, just shy of the date on which the next round of European parliamentary elections will be held. The prime minister may try to bring her deal back, but it is unlikely she will escape the claws of the Commons. Her deal cannot and will never meet with the approval of a majority of parliamentary interests.

All this should be seen as domestic incompetence. The EU has, from day one, been reasonably accommodating and consistent in its vision for where negotiations would lead. Both sides agreed to the sequencing, both sides agreed to the inclusion of a backstop within the withdrawal agreement. Both sides tried their hardest to obey referendum-induced red lines, which in the end proved impossible to square.

The cold, hard fact of Brexit is that the hardliners poked and pushed so hard that they eventually rendered their dream unrealisable. Any and all leave voters ought to feel let down and disappointed by their actions. When opportunities for leaving presented themselves, hardliner MPs blocked them off.

In the end, the hard Brexiteer perfectionists bedazzled by cake and unicorns proved to be the obstacle that Brexit itself could not hurdle.

• Oliver Norgrove is a former Vote Leave staffer, and student in elections, campaigns and democracy

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Leading Eurosceptics are lobbying right-of-centre governments in Europe to see if they would veto a British extension of article 50 and so ensure the UK drops out of the EU at the end of the month without a deal.

In theory, only one country is required to wield its veto for any British request to be rejected.

Farage and co trying to cause a no deal brexit, fook the country
unbelieveable

[19:01
First up, they are voting on amendment A

This calls for MPs to reject leaving without a deal in any circumstance.

There was confusion earlier, as Caroline Spelman,
one of the MPs who moved it, said she
wanted to withdraw it.
But Yvette Cooper, one of the signatories,
said she wanted it to be put to a vote.]