Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6441187)

What's the vibe? Is he saying anything new? Is he communicating his points through the medium of experimental dance?

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6441191)

No he still Demands a debate with PM
and that will not happen.


Nothing New
we need his White Paper in Nov.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 6441197)

He should engage in a debate with Alex Salmond, Alex Salmond is the current elected leader of the Scottish Govt.
David Cameron is the elected PM of the whole UK.

If Scotland votes for independence it will have happened in his time as PM, he should have been seen to lead the battle to keep the Scots as pasrt of the UK.
Failure to do so will relect very badly on him long term.

What is he really afraid of however as to a debate with Alex Salmond.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6440867)

this tory lot are certainly pushing Scotland toward independence again
the nasty party are bringing back the nightmares of Thatcherism
can I also add the scots are far far better educated than the rest of the UK
The scots people Ive met and know are majority in favour of independence and they could talk to you for days giving endless minute detail how they would be better off.
they seem to understand how to get a better deal out of Europe too, which is crucial
they have their own oil, their own flag,theyre own tax system, many of their own laws, they print their own money, theyd still have the monarchy as some meaningless valueless symbol as does all lof the Uk sadly. theyd still form part of the british army but have more control when regiments are threatened with closure....If they want to reinvest in coal as they probably will as an energy source at this desperate time, they can....they have absolutely enormous tract of unused land that can be used for mining, tracking, windfarms or offshore.....tidal power is another option.....

Scotland as a people are massively respected, with their rich history and heritage in particular for science, education,engineering, ship building, inventions and more recently in their burgeoning financial services sector...etc
the scots are liked, for a small nation of just over 5 million, there are vast swathes of scots in top jobs across the spectrum.....the country is stunning, the reputation is superb...people want to do business with them

I say go for it

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6440623)

No Way


You are English

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6441256)

I'm being slowly swayed towards independence, to be honest. Not because I think we would he instantly better off - but looking at the long-term prospects it seems like a sensible option. I actually think there would be a good few hard years or even decades to get through the teething problems. However... Currently it feels a lot like - despite the current governments fiddled figures - Britain is a sinking ship. It's still getting worse, economically and politically, especially for average working families, and I can't see things improving any time soon. And with that in mind... Scotland will be the first to be thrown to the wolves if things get much worse. Followed by the North of England, then Wales, then middle England, then the south and finally precious London. That's the order of importance.

I'm more concerned with my children's long-term wellbeing and prospects than my own short term comfort... So it's starting to seriously feel like a viable option.

It won't happen though, for one simple reason: most people are in the grips of political apathy, they dont understand the choice they're being asked to make, and when people don't understand a choice they will automatically stick with familiar territory. They feel like that's "safe", that "things are OK as they are". Not realising that the UK is in for some drastic changes either way... Either path is taking a risk.

Originally Posted by Lee. (Post 6441269)

I agree completely.. I think the Yes campaigners have to get out there in the next year and target those that are undecided/unaware/scared of change and give them the facts and answers to their questions.

I have friends who don't vote and don't care one way or the other.. Which I'll never understand. I'll personally be voting yes so hopefully my children will grow up in a fair, prosperous and proud country.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 6441245)

I would rather give the SNP a chance than the shower of **** that England has to chose between tbh

I actually feel closer to the Scottish than Southerners. They (from my experience anyway) are much nicer/friendlier people too.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6441218)

No the PM has stated
its not a England Vs Scotland fight.
Its Scotland asking its wants to go it alone.

Debate on Radio 5 live now
Alex on it.



The PM is not getting into a Debate with Alex
Fact

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6441256)

I'm being slowly swayed towards independence, to be honest. Not because I think we would he instantly better off - but looking at the long-term prospects it seems like a sensible option. I actually think there would be a good few hard years or even decades to get through the teething problems. However... Currently it feels a lot like - despite the current governments fiddled figures - Britain is a sinking ship. It's still getting worse, economically and politically, especially for average working families, and I can't see things improving any time soon. And with that in mind... Scotland will be the first to be thrown to the wolves if things get much worse. Followed by the North of England, then Wales, then middle England, then the south and finally precious London. That's the order of importance.

I'm more concerned with my children's long-term wellbeing and prospects than my own short term comfort... So it's starting to seriously feel like a viable option.

It won't happen though, for one simple reason: most people are in the grips of political apathy, they dont understand the choice they're being asked to make, and when people don't understand a choice they will automatically stick with familiar territory. They feel like that's "safe", that "things are OK as they are". Not realising that the UK is in for some drastic changes either way... Either path is taking a risk.

Originally Posted by Zee (Post 6441601)

This has been my main point whenever I've discussed the idea with friends. People in Scotland haven't been driven to a point where they've challenged their position in the United Kingdom. This has been a political movement by politicians, not a grass roots movement by the people of Scotland. So while there are a great number of people who are for independence with very valid and sound reasoning; they do not outnumber those who are either against it; don't see the point in it; or don't care about it.

However, like you, I've been pushed away from being firmly against independence as I've seen the country descend into a ludicrous farce under David Cameron's leadership. His decision making is going to alienate Scottish people even further and I think that if he continues to do so, people who are hesitant to push for Scottish independence will be kicked off that ship and take the plunge into voting for it. Scotland is not a right wing nation, it never has been and it never will be.

Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6441604)

Don't think you're special. He alienates motherlanders just as much as colonists.

Originally Posted by Lee. (Post 6441221)

I like this post :) it's a refreshing change from the all too common attitude of "**** em.. Let them go it alone and see how long they survive without being subsidised by us!" Blah blah blah

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6441630)

Is this aimed at me lee?...
What about the **** you jimmy we have the oil so you can all kiss it blah blah blah?...

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6441182)

Alex is Live on BBC1HD now

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6442354)

Stop calling him "alex" his name is Mr. Salmond to you.

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6442354)

Stop calling him "alex" his name is Mr. Salmond to you.