Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 11002529)

It didn't matter who they gave the picture to in all honesty though does it? You know as well as I do, they could have only given it to Royals Weekly (I know there isn't such a thing but you catch my drift?). The tabloids would have got hold of it and crucified them for not giving it to the British press. By providing it themselves, they have fulfilled their perceived obligation in providing the British public with the news of the pregnancy without a pap shot of Meghan's belly coupled woth speculation.

They said they wanted privacy to live their lives the way they want, releasing what they want. They never asked for media blackout. The press will run with what they want and as we discussed at the beginning of this thread, they don't really care about legal action so there is no way they will ever get all the privacy they crave but they have the right to launch legal action if they believe a line has been crossed

The tabloids chose to run it....they weren't obliged to but they do because they know Meghan and Harry = sales

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11002511)

...regardless of debate etc it does have to be proven when saying someone lied
because it’s a character damaging statement that could potentially be viewed as libellous...and open to that being laid...and it’s a good thing that there is protection against that for all of us so that someone would have to prove their words and statements..it’s not giving an opinion or any type of debate or saying ‘in my opinion’ or ‘I think that’ or ‘read that’ or whatever... it’s stating that someone is a liar and actually lied and of course that would always have to be proven because it’s being written as fact in public...

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11002547)

...you mean that you have enough money to know what payment actually is...?...if only...

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11002550)

so why give a pic taken by a pro?

on valentines day

same day as diana

oh wait..

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11002553)

It's Annie's publication, and I got a freebie. Says a lot that she asked you to pay though. Just sayin'

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 11002557)

The same day as Harry's mum announced her pregnancy with Harry? Pretty cute nod to his mum in my opinion. It's no secret that Harry adored his mum....quite the tribute announcing the pregnancy of his second child the way she did.

I'd rather give a pic taken by a pro than announce it and wait for a long range pap pic when I'm not looking my best. Surely that's common sense?

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11002551)

Yes.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11002559)

nah

privacy

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11002538)

...maybe you will feel safe but that really isn’t any justification for posting any potentially character damaging words...actually, I just googled and with those type of words, even with the presence of ‘my opinion’ or ‘I think’ or etc...it would still be open for libel being laid against...it’s fine that you say that you’re happy because that’s your own choice..but it doesn’t make what anyone else has requested in hoping for proof ...any less correct in expecting and hoping for that proof for those words, however they’re phrased...

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 11002566)

Nah? That all you got :tongue:

They are now Celebs not Royals....they have no.protocol to bind them Can you not see that by releasing a picture they have possibly maintained their privacy....we've seen the bump so pap pics are not the hot commodity now.

Now, if you excuse me....I have this week's Royals Weekly to edit....:laugh:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11002570)

If you said something and I called you a liar between you and I that's different

If I said nothing to you personally, or in addition to saying you're a liar then I repeat that to others.
That's tantamount to slander.

If I put that you are a liar in print and in public, and have done this or that presenting it as fact.
When you haven't.
Then that would be tantamount to libel.

If I say I think, or possibly or maybe you've lied or done something.
Then I'm not presenting it as a fact.
Which would not be wrong.

Things in tabloids are wrong.
After all the Duchess has just won a case against a tabloid.
Which I further congratulate her on.

The Daily Mail no less, which has often been used as anti Meghan so called facts on here even.

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 11002583)

I've sat here tearing my hair out on furlough all these months and could have had a fabulous, high brow publication whizzing out from my kitchen :fist:

This time next year Rodney......

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11002582)

...which is why it’s on the onus of proof to be given..?...in this internet age especially and so much stuff about celebrities etc, it’s an obvious safeguard and a good thing for that to be the way, I feel...thank you, Joey...:love:...

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11002589)

Yes it is.

If anyone's accusing anyone else of lying or doing wrong, yes the onus is on the accuser to present substantiated proof not opinionated presentation.

The anonymity on social media however is really worrying.
Lives can be ruined by it.
By anonymous individuals throwing out accusations with at present, no comeback.

Of course it should be the duty of all social media owners of any setting really.
To set standards of ensuring opinion only, doesn't override production of solid substantiated proof of singular or multiple accusations.

Then again however, look at the gutter actions of the tabloids too.
It's like a pack mentality once someone becomes a target.
As the Duchess of Sussex is to said tabloids.
As well as areas of social media too.
Very sadly.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 11002620)

The items I read were by respected royal commentators, not anonymous individuals. Regarding the law, Meghan could have had comeback if they were lies and she wanted to. She could sue, right?

Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 11002459)

He doesn’t have to prove anything....they are his facts and if people don’t want to believe it then it’s up to them...goading and ridiculing is all they can do in response. We were all having a decent chat on here until certain people join the thread...

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 11002629)

They are his opinions, facts are facts and if he can't back it up then it's not a fact.

Making at that he is being attacked by people asking him to back up his claims in a debate thread is foolish.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11002579)

We all need Royal Weekly in our lives so we can keep up :laugh:

Originally Posted by jet (Post 11002649)

Correct, they are my opinions gleaned from reading respected royal commentators and experts views or what they have reported as fact. I am under no obligation to go back and spend time finding articles which I could have already posted or given links to going back over the last year and which people pretend they haven't seen or don't read. People are free to do their own research. Yet never do.

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 11002621)

I think Joey is speaking more about the trolls.on social media to be fair Jet....not the articles you have quoted. He is talking more generically about info on the internet

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 11002661)

If you want lay down at Meghan and Harry’s feet and shower them with affection and hold them in god like regards that’s fine

If people want to see them as a pair of preaching hypocrites interested in their own gain while claiming to be healing the world that’s also fine.

Every one is entitled to their own opinions without the need to know them on a personal level.

There is a clear devide when it comes to Meghan and Harry and no one is going to change their minds

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 11002661)

If you want lay down at Meghan and Harry’s feet and shower them with affection and hold them in god like regards that’s fine

If people want to see them as a pair of preaching hypocrites interested in their own gain while claiming to be healing the world that’s also fine.

Every one is entitled to their own opinions without the need to know them on a personal level.

There is a clear devide when it comes to Meghan and Harry and no one is going to change their minds