Ok well if they hurt my children then yes I think I would.

Yes I know you didn't mean to offend me, and you weren't using it in that way, some people do though and I think that's out of order. Yes love for a human being that you yourself have helped create and brought into the world is going to be like no other and I fully understand the want to see justice done for that child, but taking away another person's life, who is also someone ELSE'S child is not the answer imo, and it solves nothing.

Again you're belittling our opinions by saying that we don't know what we're on about because we're not parents. Can you actrually try and debate the points instead of writing the same thing over and over? Granted you feel strongly about this but you can't just sit there telling people they can't understand without partaking in the debate yourself.

This may sound a bit harsh but I couldn't give a ***** if they're someone else child if they've taken away mine!

It wouldn't help matters really. Have a friend who counsels victims of abuse and the deaths of the offenders never heals their wounds, only adds to them.

That's fair enough then. I just think that for a lot of people when it actually came down to it, they wouldn't be able to, but maybe I'm wrong. And I still maintain that it's not the answer.

Make life mean life, simple as that really. Although like I said I do think if you're going to lock these types of people up for the rest of their natural, we may as well use them for studies etc and to try and find some kind of cure, in the case of paedophilia anyway. They have an illness and there may be a cure, if we just kill them then we're never going to get anywhere.

Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot and it was your child that could be executed though? You can't really discount the parent's feelings since they'd feel the same grief as you, possible more due to the fact their child commited the crime.

But by killing someone else's child you are then putting the same grief and suffering that you are going through onto someone else who has done nothing wrong. I just couldn't live with that and wouldn't wish that onto another innocent human being.

That's it really. Couldn't do it either. And what are you teaching your other children and how will they view you after the event? Nah, couldn't do it.

I honestly can't even answer that. I don't know how I would feel in that situation tbh.

I honestly wouldn't care.

That's the thing, I know my initial response would be to want to kill anyone who harmed my own, but would I be able to live with having taken another human life and have my kids look at me knowing I'm for all intents and purposes a murderer? No I couldn't. It would haunt me for the rest of my life.

It's an older post but I took exception to this, His posts spoke of murdering & torturing people, saying that he'd stab criminals if he had the chance and he admitted double standards and bias. We should be encouraging him to be consistant and to think about consequence as well as actions, not applauding him for being hysterical.

Terrible message to send out, he's entitled to his opinion but we shouldn't be praising him for how he came across.

Talk about emotional damage! They'd be headcases... well, there's a good chance that it would effect them in some ways, no question about it.

How can you possibly know how you would feel if you don't have children?I said some people are living in Disney land and they are, if they believe that they could be so forgiving if God forbid someone harmed their child,I am not belittling anyone and you know that,I am posting my opinion which you don't like or agree with,so are now picking up on things i have said ,wrongly!! as you did when you posted i said i wanted people killed,I never said that at all.You cannot know a parents love until you are one,it's common sense I would have thought.I do not post the same thing over and over unless i have to keep explaining to people what i have posted,it might help if people read them properly!I do know what you are trying to do:joker:and your supposed to be TIBB staff!,LOL,I am allowed to disagree with you and your buddies you know.

But you just said to Dezzy that you don't know how you'd feel if it was your child that had committed the crime and were to be executed. By killing the one that has done the crime to your own is bringing the same grief and suffering onto their family as if they'd been executed so it's basically the same thing, if that makes sense.

well, I ask myself this question - If say my brother was raped and brutally murdered and my mother killed the murderer would I think she was wrong and look at her as a criminal and I would answer No, I would think she was completely justified.

Noone that I've seen has said that they would FORGIVE the person that committed that kind of crime though, not that I have seen anyway. They are just saying, as I am, that although the initial reaction would undoubtedly be to want to exact revenge, that is isn't the answer. I don't think anyone is in Disney Land and saying that it's okay and fine and dandy and let them get away with it, they should be locked up for the forseeable, for life in some cases, but taking away their life doesn't solve anything in the long run.

I said I didn't know how I would feel if my child has committed the crime yes but I think I know how I would feel if they were on the receiving end of it.

Jedward is harmless,he just gets angry as most of us do with crimes like this,the lad would no more hurt anyone than you would,he wasn't hysterical,he just cares about childrens welfare,more than a criminals welfare as some of us do.people use these phrases everyday,most don't carry them through.

Of course you wouldn't because she is your mother, but would she be able to live with it and never think about the fact that she has taken someone else's life? Can we sit here and say that it wouldn't affect her mentally and emotionally? No I honestly don't think we can.

I couldn't possibly tell you how another person would feel (my mother or not!) I can only tell you how I think I would feel. I understand that you don't feel the same way but we're all different.

I have sympathy and empathy because my family has suffered a violent loss, I know how I feel in situations like that because I've experienced it. I still feel as though capital punishment isn't the way because why would I want to pass that grief onto someone else? the criminal won't feel pain in the end he'll be dead but their family will be left to pick up the pieces. At least with imprisonment they can't escape what they've done.

I'm letting you have an opinion, I just don't agree with you attempting to silence others by saying they can't have an opinion because they're not parents which is essentiallly what you are doing whether you realise that or not. Have an opinion, but give others that same right. That's all I'm saying. Having children doesn't give you a supreme knowledge of law or ethics so who are you to tell other people that they don't understand when we're debating this. You can't exclude people from that.

Just because I'm a mod doesn't mean I'm not entitled to an opinion, I'm not breaking any rules here, I've not attacked you personally so stop trying to make me out to be the bad guys here, It's just taking away from any arguments you do have as you can't argue a point without getting personal with other members.

But that is what some people want,the criminals to be locked up,not let out after a couple of years,but this is where it all goes wrong,they get a few years in a cushy jail and then let out, all we are saying we would want revenge,of course we would,but most of us would never follow it through,it is just the expressions people use when angry or disbelieving of certain things,My guess is there wouldn't be so many calling for the death penalty back if prison sentences were for life,as they should be for child murders,I would be happy NOT to kill them but let them stay locked up for the rest of their natural.

Yes I know we're all different, I just honestly feel that when it came to it most people would realise that they couldn't actually live with having taken another person's life. Killing someone changes you forever, you mentioned soldiers killing for their job's, well most of them are never the same again afterwards.

And at the end of the day NOONE knows how they would feel until God forbid something like that actually happens.

And I agree with this 100% and that's where the problem lies totally. Life doesnt mean life and prisons are too soft these days.

Do you not think that having lost a child a mother would already be changed forever?

yes! you see if the murderer was inside of a prison cell for the rest of their miserable life then whether or not to murder them would not even be an issue!

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Of course they would! I can't even begin to imagine what that would feel like, but I still maintain that taking away another person's life is not going to make you feel any better in the long run. Your own child will still be gone, it won't bring them back, and you'd have to live with the fact that you yourself have extinguished another human life. Maybe some people could live with that, and maybe it would bring some kind of satisfaction knowing that that person couldn't ever hurt anyone else again, but like I said, you'd never be the same again, taking a life is like nothing else, same as having a child and losing a child, it just affects you in different ways.

And that's what most people are saying, if the punishment fit the crime in this country then we wouldn't even be needing to have this debate. It's the system that's at fault and it is little wonder that people feel the way they do when the law is basically an ass at the moment.

Who am I trying to silence?I said(once again)you cannot know how you would feel if it was your child if you have none!people can have what opinions they like,I do not profess to have supreme knowledge,but I DO have knowledge,I wish I didn't but I do,so I can and will voice my opinion,i have never said i wanted capital punishment,WHY do you keep quoting things I have never said?Who have I been personal to that havent been personal to me?

I'm telling you, the only way I could live after the death of a child is by knowing that his killer was dead too.. SOunds bad perhaps but I know that's how I feel.

I'm a compassionate person and I'm also very forgiving.. But this scenario is a whole different kettle of fish!

I hear what you are saying but you also have to see what you're saying to me and apply it to yourself. I'm guessing about how I may or may not feel about something that hasn't happened but so are you. I assume that you have never taken another persons life so you too are only guessing on how you would feel if you did.

absolutely, same in this country unfortunately. The justice system is crazy, seems like the criminals have more rights than the victims which is so frustrating which is why I understand people taking matters into their own hands.

Yes this is all hypothetical in our case (and thank god it is!) but I know myself and I just know (as well as I can without it having happened) that I wouldn't be able to take another person's life in that way. Now if I was there at the time and it was a case of protecting my child or any other loved one or in self defense, then that's a whole different thing, but actually actively seeking out and killing or executing someone after the event, no I honestly don't believe I could do it or live with it either, and even if it was in self defense I still believe I would never be the same.

I am too,although some people will not believe that,the reason I am so passionate about it is because it's close to my heart,when a child is murdered ,tortured and abused, it not only kills the child it kills the family too.

There's this thing called Empathy? We can empathise but ultimately I can't agree with capital punishment, I was raised to respect human life and I just see it as extinguishing a life out of nothing but revenge. I don't like bringing it up but I do know of the anger a person feels when they lose a family member to crime.

You wouldn't appreciate it if I posted stuff like' You don't UNDERSTAND! You've never lost anyone to violent crime so you can't grasp how it feels!' So why should you be allowed to shut people down by saying they can't grasp the issue at hand because they're not parents? Treat people how you want to be treated Kazanne.

You've been personal to me, Twice in the last page you've been quoted for attacking me over being a mod when I've not said anything personal to you or anybody. When it comes to modding I'm very careful and impartial and I rarely act without things being reported and if I do I'll explain why to the other mods. I go to a lot of lengths to be as impartial as possible so I don't appreciate you trying to discredit and attack me over being a mod when I'm not breaking any rules by partaking in the debate. I've never attacked you personally I've just disagreed with your methods of arguing.

Yep, I can imagine! Well I can't really, but you know what I mean..

I did not address my post to you so I can't be responsible for your resenting my comments. I was addressing Kazanne who has suffered more than her fair share of heartache.

I'm afraid on an issue like this which is so close to my heart I am not prepared to compromise my opinions to fit in with anyone else's, especially if I vehemently disagree. I am sorry if your family have suffered violent crime, but you and your family chose to deal with it in your own way, I and some others on here would deal with it differently. The issue of whether my decision was right or wrong would not come into it. What the dissenters fail to understand is that from my point of view I actually despise where THEY are coming from - I could say a lot more about what I think of their attitude but what would be the point?

I would be satisfied with the judicial system if, in fact the sentence of life for murderers and paedophiles meant LIFE, not 20 years, or 10 years with good behaviour! It would still eat away at me every day that the murderer of my child was alive, but at least I would know that he or she was never getting out again. Sadly this is not the case and I can honestly say that I would not rest if I thought such an evil person was free to walk the streets again.

The Human Rights Act was poorly conceived and it has proven to be completely unjust in practise since it rewards evil doers at the expense of the law abiding.