i would wager he was brought up that being gay was bad and that he was gay

just my thoughts

Breaking News:

Arrest of accomplice expected

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/wftv...ting/340918422


I think this will put to bed the idea that he was just a gay guy in denial. Looks like it was an organised attack with more than one person.

This.



The original video has been taken down, but there's a clip of it in that link.

So a gay guy did this to his own community? I wonder how that will sit with the likes of Owen Jones.

I think the difference between what the Koran says and what the Bible says is that it's only really fundamentalist Christians and Jews who believe that the interpretation that God hates gays is literal. Whereas it's widely believed in Islam by even moderates that homosexuality is an abomination.

Then why isolate one holy book as denouncing gays if they both do, also by your fuzzy logic would that not mean all Christians hate gays too?

Why would gays want to help Christians...Why are there gay Christians?

Wow. :facepalm:

It is an LGBT attack.

Some people don't like seeing the LGBT community as victims though as it's apparently "looney left" to see it that way according to some people.

Hence why the only thing they can do is make it about Xenophobia and Racism as to why ISIS would attack a Gay Bar.

LT is this you?... :/

Can't it be both?

Why is it so important to you that it is? Isn't it being a terror attack enough?

Nope, it isn't there's that ignorance again.

It is a terrorist attack.

When the Jewish deli in Paris was attacked no one viewed it as purely an anti-Semitic attack, it was a terrorist attack. I've been to loads of gay clubs, I'm sure there were plenty of heteros in the club that night just like there would have been loads of gay people at the Bataclan.

I never mentioned homophobia.

I don't believe they are scared of gays at all.

They don't like homosexuality because they think it is deviant. The "not all muslims" argument won't wash. They all follow the Quran and believe what it says.

Yeah, you'll get that a lot here.

Not all immigrants are Muslims though?

But I get what you mean and agree with you to an extent as to why anyone on the left, or gay people (no matter what wing spectrum) would defend the most right wing and prejudiced group out there in our current generation, it makes no sense to me.

Gay people can be some of the most self-loathing people out there sometimes so I would not be surprised if he hated who he was and attacked anyone that was like him as the Religious nature in him still sees it as a sin.

I have just posted a news report about the imminent arrest of an accomplice and I read earlier that the shooter had been scoping out lots of venues but then chose the gay club.

I really think he may have chose this place simply because it was a convenient place to carry out the attack. They sometimes even pick targets based on how far they are from emergency services or how easy it is to enter/leave or resist the police while inside.

They might have chosen it because it was a gay venue but even if that is the case, in the grand scheme of things I don't think it matters. People are people.

Perhaps they just wanted to increase the outrage and publicity. Or perhaps they just wanted to make liberals like Owen Jones do mental gymnastics. If thats the case then they succeeded.

Reopening this thread because its an ongoing story which I'm sure we'll hear more about but it's generous to say that some of the posts in here are bordering on trolling and being pretty offensive so any of that won't be tolerated and I'd encourage people not to rise to it

http://media.skynews.com/media/image...-1-736x414.jpg
This fella got Shot in his hip , hand and leg
he then played dead. Not making a sound

Well Done Fella

http://news.sky.com/story/1711897/ki...lando-survivor

so do some people think it's terrorism just bc a brown person killed ppl?

Think its more to do him having been radicalised online, pledging allegiance to ISIS and carrying out a targeted attack on the LGBT community

That is a really good point.

He also it appears had sympathies with the likes of IS who despise the LGBT communities.
For me I agree with you, it should be seen as both a terrorist and a hate crime planned and executed against the LGBT community, in a building where he would expect only those probably from the gay community to be.

The main thing is so many lives lost and so many injured in a horrific incident where the victims were intended to be only from the LGBT gay community.

I honestly cannot see at all how the LGBT issue can be isolated from this and it only be termed a terrorist attack.

Like all mass shootings in the US, it's ultimately terrorism. I just don't buy the Isis angle and I dislike how the media is downplaying this as a hate crime against the LGBT community in favour of it.

Looks like his wife was involved and she drove him to scope out targets.

The gay club was just one possible target. It seems they were considering disney world and went to check that out.

The shooter and his wife also considered Disney world as a target. This wasn't a hate crime. They were just looking for easy targets that would cause the most controversy.

This absolutely puts the issue to bed:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...een-as-possib/

Cowards like this just want easy targets. Making this a LGBT issue is one of the most bizarre things I have seen on the internet.

The club happened to be a gay club. That is it. This case is a virtual carbon copy of the San Bernadino couple.

ive terrorism. 33000 innocents killed last year by isis ...all religions all genders all sexes all disabilities...they even kill fellow muslims. they are insane

One of them has just killed a mother in front of her 3 year old son in Paris.

They are absolutely the most dangerous problem facing the world today. Gun control and LGBT issues are red herrings, deliberately added by the left to muddy the waters.

Has the video of that guy walking out of the Sky News debate been posted yet?

yeah he was offended sky news not recognising it as a gay hate crime, the interviewer seemed to imply that isis are out to get everyone

He made a bit of a tit of himself to be honest. And that press preview on sky is a good gig and easy money for a journalist/columnist, but he has ensured that he will never be invited back.

I really can't understand the mentality of storming out because someone disagreed with you. Stick around and fight your case. Don't take your bat and ball home like a spoiled child.

I thought the host, who was twice Owen's age and a proper journalist, handled it extremely well.

For anyone who feels upset and offended by what's happened in Orlando, this is for you :love:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/c...P=share_btn_tw

Yeah, he did come across as very childish.

He reminded me of Bonnie Langford in Just William.

"Admit this is a LGBT issue or I will scream and scream until I am sick."

I'm not sure it matters what their sexuality was tbh.They were people in a nightclub and were attacked by a terrorist.People of every sexuality have been killed by these bastards.Not sure what the big deal is with the semantics of these poor people's sexuality.It can happen to any of us who are in a public place.

Because they were predominantly LBGT people in a gay nightclub and it proves that it some facets of our society they are still not accepted. It's pretty straightforward really

And acknowledging that this was a hate crime does not diminish all of the other attacks that have taken place

they were targeted specifically because of their sexuality so their sexuality has everything to do with it.

Exactly, the attack (whether motivated by ISIS allegiance or personal homophobia) was targetted specifically at a group of people as a statement; that their lifestyle is sinful / wrong / should not be accepted. Now, religious extremists tend to believe this about all sorts of aspects of life in the west, but it can't be ignored that homosexuality - and our acceptance of it - is one of the biggest of the things that conflict with their ideologies.

So it is VITAL that we don't ignore that aspect of this attack. Not because "only gay people can own the hurt caused" as those screeching bullies (they tagteamed and talked over him; NOT good journalism ffs) on Sky News would have us believe is the intent... but because it is important to show solidarity... to stand up and say "We know what you want, we know what you are trying to do, but you will fail, and the people and lifestyles that you hate will ALWAYS be accepted and embraced in our countries, no matter what you do." It is EVEN MORE important that straight people do this.

VERY SADLY from reading and seeing various things since this tragedy, I am starting to realise that the truth is... for a large number of people that simply is still not the case at all.

i honestly don't see what all this arguing over semantics is intended to achieve, as if labeling it one thing or another makes it worse/better depending on which side you are on.

It was a hate crime specifically against a particular group, it was a terrorist attack. The man may have been mentally unstable, maybe not. It really doesn't matter. It was still an horrific act. No normal person would consider taking that action against anyone, its not typical behaviour. Its not indicative of a trend. There aren't suddenly going to be 100 more that will say, I will now do that too, because it just isn't normal.

Its heartbreaking that there are people like that in the world, but its bound to happen with the numbers of population that we have. Compound that with a terrorist group that are excusing their behaviour by latching on to an interpretation of a religion, that itself has millions of followers and you will get these crazy people.