Yeah I agree. I kind of lost interest in the films though when they ran out of original books to film. Bond IS just a franchise now, it wasn't back in t'day.

Therefore I would now if 007 is just a variation on a theme expand the character, it has really been done to death the suave white stereotypical bond.

White Bond

will stay as its the Story Line.


To much Hype on Bond Movies

..well we've just fallen out big time matey...






..:laugh:...

...interestingly, I started this conversation in the staffroom yesterday, being interested in thoughts there and there was many whose thought process agreed with Liv and TS, in the 'changing of back stories'...I guess that it was a 50/50-ish thing...


...I think that him being ageless, is something he has to be because if he wasn't, then he would just die or would have died really and more than anything else, James Bond is a huge money making thing, so he can never die/he can never age...but I don't personally really get that association because in film terms, him being 'born' in the 60's/transferred to the screen then...?...then that would only reinforce what Liv and TS are saying in that 'back in the day'/in the 60's/70's etc, would a black James Bond have access to the places and situations that he did..?...not really because as is often discussed on the forum, thems was different times..anyways, yes he is a 'neutral' character and could be believable as one..(my opinion anyway..)..now situations could be but they couldn't have been originally, with very much a racist/homophobic/sexist etc world ....

..anyways, James Bond is in terms of a character 'an institution'/type thing so he will never age in the way that other franchise characters are aging, characters like Rocky and John McClane, when they're now becoming 'the mentor' type role because the money James Bond is making isn't waning through the decades so he has to stay forever young...it just wouldn't make sense otherwise, so is actually nothing but logic/continuing to carry him on through many more decades etc...


..anyways, I also find it interesting with the best actor ting because I've never thought that James Bond has ever been about acting...there are some fine actors who have played him..Sean Connery, Pierce Brosnan, Daniel Craig but I wouldn't have said that their acting abilities were particularly something that were relevant in them portraying Bond, it's more what having been chosen for the part gave them...the other acting roles offered..?...and that's also what black actors are saying, would they have the same opportunities following on from being James Bond, would their acting worlds open up and expand in the same way or still remain restricted..?...see, that's something we'll never know unless that's something that's explored in the first place, by their being a black James Bond, how careers would progress from that as well..?...(I do agree with Livia actually, I like the sound of Colin Salmon in the role..)...yes, Idris is amazing as an actor and very easy on the eye but James Bond has never been about acting abilities, as I say...Sean Connery was often pretty dire and Roger Moore, well the less he had a speaking part, the better....

Wait...

but if the Oscars hate black people... and all the blacks stay away... isn't that just giving the Oscars what they want?

Blacks boycotting a racist business, for not including blacks... that seems like a win/win situation...

I don't understand the problem. :shrug:

:joker:

I never find Jamie Foxx likeable on screen for some reason, i don't know why. I watched that interview with him about having saved the man from the car and he's alot more likeable when he isn't acting

the black stars have plenty of black awards to get.

I feel the same about james bond, always comes across as arrogant and sexist to me... maybe I'd prefer him if he were black :laugh:

Same, I actually hate James Bond too :laugh:


Did you watch Django unchained Kizzy? Originally Will Smith was supposed to be Django but he pulled out, for me Will Smith and Jamie Foxx are like polar opposites, I find Jamie abit cold in films where as Will is just so likeable, I wonder how that would have changed the film (still loved the film but for me Christopher Waltz made it)

No, I'm the least hollywood person, I hate shooting/fighting/action type films. I remember the hype surrounding it and the 'buckets of blood' rep it got initially, deffo not my thango :)

haha I love Tarantino films

Will Smith is way too cheerful to be Django... it would be a totally different film. I agree that Jamie Foxx often comes across cold but that film definitely needs that... he's basically a guy that's been pushed far enough to be come a straight up killer-ninja :joker:. Like that's the point really... he barely blinks as he slaughters them.

Sammy L and Leo make the film for me, though.

Will Smith can do serious :fist: he was pretty serious in I Am Legend. Oh yeah SLJ and Leo were great too

He can (sort of) but he can't do cold / repressed emotions. He's happy animated and amiable, or pissed off and shouty. He's pretty shouty in I Am Legend. Not as shouty as Independence Day though... he pretty much shouted every line in that.

Just stop being jealous of him TS :flutter:


Oh actually back on topic, seems like Will has spoken up now too

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/m...cott/79107316/

and Reece Witherspoon also commented on it :
http://www.rte.ie/ten/news/2016/0121...scars-boycott/

... ... that links to this picture...

https://www.qatarcollections.com/inc...dWuzkbRYLw.jpg

I'm so confused :(

hahaha sorry, that was the picture I posted in Lees Birthday thread :laugh: fixed it

I dunno, I think it's a bit ****ty to be boycotting the Oscars, most award shows are just a cover for bribes from big labels/studios to push certain stars and very little to do with actual recognition of what's good... I do think there's a lack of variety in the mainstream, but I don't think that's a black actor specific problem - most films now are 1) franchise sequels or 2) reboots of classic franchises. If they're new screenplays, they rarely do well at the box office - I mean the films that won all the awards last year I hadn't heard of until they started winning awards, like Birdman and whatever else. It's all about superheroes and action movies which means you have to be a big burly man or an innocent looking but still sexy damsel in distress with very little room for variety.

Sir Michael Caine on Oscars race row: 'You can't vote for an actor just because he's black'

Sir Michael Caine said black actors should not be nominated just to add diversity, as he weighed in on the Oscars race row.

Hollywood heavyweights Spike Lee and Will Smith are boycotting the Academy Awards after no actors from ethnic minorities were nominated in the top four categories, but Sir Michael told Nick Robinson on Radio 4′s Today show it should not become a box-ticking exercise.

He said: “There’s loads of black actors. In the end you can’t vote for an actor because he’s black. You can’t say ‘I’m going to vote for him, he’s not very good, but he’s black, I’ll vote for him’.”

He continued: “You have to give a good performance and I’m sure people have. I saw Idris Elba (in Beasts Of No Nation)… I thought he was wonderful.”

The two-time Academy Award-winner also offered some advice to black actors to “be patient”.

“Of course it will come. It took me years to get an Oscar, years,” he added.

Sir Michael also pointed out the bright side of an Oscars snub.

“The best thing about it is you don’t have to go. Especially the Oscars, 24 hours on an aeroplane and I’ve got to sit there clapping Leonardo DiCaprio.

“I love Leonardo, he played my son in a movie, but I’m too old to travel that far and sit in an audience and clap someone else,” he said.

After returning from acting retirement because “I couldn’t find a television show I wanted to watch everyday”, Sir Michael is starring in new movie Youth and has also filmed bank robbery movie Going In Style with Morgan Freeman and Alan Arkin.

He admitted he has dismissed taking on another movie as he approaches his 83rd birthday, but said he would love to film the story of the Hatton Garden heist alongside Ray Winstone.

“I would do it, yeah, if the script was good. If I was starting that script it would begin extremely funny and then become extremely sinister because those guys are not funny guys, they’re serious criminals. It’s sort of comedy gets Jack Carter in the end,” he said.




..poor Michael, I don't really think he's understood what Spike Lee and others are saying, you can only 'give a good performance' or an Oscar nomination worthy performance if you're given an Oscar nomination worthy role in the first place...and 'those rooms' where all of the roles are cast with the movie executives, finance backers, writers, screen writers, producers etc..are very much 'white' is what Spike is saying...what Michael said about working with Ray Winstone as well, I think that's also a thing, that roles are written for specific actors/actresses just like songs are for music artists ..so if more diverse roles are not there for actors/actresses to show how diverse they themselves can be, then that's going to limit in screenwriters thinking of them when they're writing, or writers thinking of a black actor playing their character...they're not being allowed to fully helped to 'imagine' all possible castings that may be neutral and not specific to being a certain this or that...and not being allowed to imagine them all because of the lack of diverse roles for black actors/actresses, so it's a circle which has to be broken and has to start in those rooms without a monopoly of 'white'...so if a book is looked at to being adapted to a movie and 'neutral' lead characters/great characters/Oscar potential characters are there, there is an equal representation or more representation of voices in those rooms for all actors who could be just as perfect and could give the good performance that is needed because it isn't about meh performances, it's about meh roles compared to the opportunities of white actors ...it's a tough job making a performance good if it just hasn't got that scope of possibility...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/m...sity/79161308/
Reese Witherspoon criticizes Oscars diversity

It's now a no win situation because if black actors do get nominated in the furutre people will say it's because they have to be seen as inclusive to all races and meet a certain quota to keep the peace. So the actors themselves will always have that thought at the back of their minds. Was i selected because of my performance or colour etc.

:facepalm:

You could say that of the next James Bond. It looks like many people dont want the best actor they want an actor who fits into their ethnic image of Bond. Ability seems to be secondary.

Charlotte Rampling isn't happy either
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainme...id=binganswers