Thats obviously not the case. The petitions from the residents about more fire safety are proof to that.
Are you suggesting all those people living in that now burnt out block were living a cheap life? These people were living in the richest borough in the country. Are they cheap because they couldn't afford to get out off Lancaster West, the only substantial council estate that Rotten borough has.

What an incredibly insensitive suggestion. They haven't even found all the dead yet and you're suggesting they could of saved themselves if only they didn't want to live on the cheap and we could of made money out of them by screwing them over for the very thing that could of saved their lives.
UFB

Thoughtful article from Dan Hannan

Thing will change
a wet LCD TV
but still Alive

In many high rise flats in Brighton, East Sussex
there are now fitting Sprinklers
in all flats.

A new district heating scheme was installed in Grenfell Tower in the rehab. completed in 2015, whether using the original concrete ducts or not I don't know. The issue which occurs to me is what was the effect of this ducting (old and possibly new) in compromising the fire and smoke sealing of flats and floors which is crucial in a block like this?

Apparently after the rehab. a complete a new gas supply system was found to be necessary and was installed through the whole block.

I heard no mention of these possibilities yesterday, but today for the first time I heard a fire prevention expert on Radio 4 mention "heating pipes" as a possible vector for smoke or flame transmission across what are supposed to be internal barriers.

Nevertheless... the external cladding, again the cheapo option when a safer one was available, seems to be the main suspect for breaching or, rather, bypassing the internal fire barriers at present. If that turns out to be either the whole or part of the case, then unfortunately sprinkler systems in the flats would have made little or no difference.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...7627783452.jpg
Lilly Allen also protesting
she was on Ch4HD news last night for 10mins debate

you dont think kids would be stupid enough to target cladding tower blocks and try to set a panel alight for a laugh do you?

i mean like in the ensuing weeks

No
they know how it started
faulty fridge jammed against a window
so the fire Got out that way
once on the Plastics cladding, outside
no one could stop it
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...7595098654.jpg

sprinklers might have saved them enough time to save more lives...one smart lady ran a bath to flood the flat and that gave her and her kids an extra hour to play with as the firemen came to her rescue

i think i am right that there has never been a death in a sprinkler fitted building?

uh oh getting violent in street around council protest. LBC reporting a cameraman just got beaten up

The 30C forecast for the weekend could likely lead to riots in London

Running a bath is a really good idea in a fire like this so well done that mother.

Even if there was such a system. it's likely that it wouldn't have been properly maintained and wouldn't have worked, just like the fire alarm and emergency lighting systems weren't and duly didn't work. (See the Grenfell Action Groups blog. It really is worth a read https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/ )

If new fire regulations state that any residential building over 14 floors must be built with a sprinkler system then surely the law should also apply to any building being redeveloped.
120 flats at an approx price of three thousand six hundred quid each to install sprinklers, less than half a million, the total budget was near £10 million.
Surely the safety should come above the tarting up.
Not laying the blame at anybody in particular, if the cladding wasn't banned and councils all over the country have used them then that would cover all parties.
The question for me is why it wasn't banned?
How did it pass fire regulations?

****ing scum.

What kind of people use the death of innocent children.
To enjoy violent protests.
****ing animals.
pathetic.

The PM has give £5million fund
to the help all from the Tower.


Ref : SkyNewsHD /BBCnewsHD

The PM just visited some, finally ,
in the community
with a large Police backing

['I tried to get out the window
but it was melted': Grenfell Tower survivor
'tripped over bodies' as he
desperately scrambled to
safety wrapped in a soaked jumper
Christos Fairbairn, 41, lived
on the 15th floor of the block
but got to safety
Woken at 12.45am with banging
on door and smoke began
pouring into flat
His window was melted
and he was forced through
smoke and intense heat
He said: 'I was tripping over bodies.
On one of the floors I tripped
badly and fell, as I looked up
I saw the face of a dead man']


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4kBY2n7O4

BBC just announced that the figure is now expected to be 70 .:bawling:

luckily calm has been restore. i was worried it was going to get out of hand.

A quick reckoning makes that just over £40K per family

Lily Allen makes me sick. Who does she think she is? Pushing her own agenda as per. She'll enter politics soon, you watch!

Her faux outrage could wait, residents and victims families should be no1 priority right now. Stupid Middle Class SJW hasn't got a clue!

shes an ugly fugly hag demon.

But if the fire started in a kitchen and a sprinkler had been installed the fire might have been put out before it could make its way outside, ifs and buts but they might have been more chance of it being contained

It's emergency funds for food and clothing