Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 8140358)

I don't think BB17 is disliked, because by most people here it isn't. However, I do think that the forum has been pretty empty this year because I think you and Luke are just that off-putting with all the pointless **** you two have posted in previous seasons and in BBCanada and now (God bless us all) in Survivor. We get it, you love superfans and hate recruits, you love Dan and Angie, you hate Brittnee, you love Sarah and Willow, you think idiots like Jason and Da'Vonne and Jordan and Kevin have played intricate games even though they all were humiliatingly booted early-mid season, you think there's a difference between a fan and a superfan and choose to remind us all even when it doesn't make sense in the context of a conversation. Get a new record, ya know? I think a lot of people avoid coming to these sections of the forum regularly just so they're not subjected to the **** you two post.

And is John not a generic white male? I think Austin's more of a rare find than John :shrug:

Originally Posted by Calderyon (Post 8140374)

Austin isn´t very generic tbh.

John, Jeff and especially Clay fit to that mold much more. Steve at a stretch, but not really.

Originally Posted by Hayden (Post 8140335)

BBUSA17: John

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 8140358)

I don't think BB17 is disliked, because by most people here it isn't. However, I do think that the forum has been pretty empty this year because I think you and Luke are just that off-putting with all the pointless **** you two have posted in previous seasons and in BBCanada and now (God bless us all) in Survivor. We get it, you love superfans and hate recruits, you love Dan and Angie, you hate Brittnee, you love Sarah and Willow, you think idiots like Jason and Da'Vonne and Jordan and Kevin have played intricate games even though they all were humiliatingly booted early-mid season, you think there's a difference between a fan and a superfan and choose to remind us all even when it doesn't make sense in the context of a conversation. Get a new record, ya know? I think a lot of people avoid coming to these sections of the forum regularly just so they're not subjected to the **** you two post.

And is John not a generic white male? I think Austin's more of a rare find than John :shrug:

Originally Posted by Raph (Post 8140384)

Okay, so how come BB17 gets that much less attention here than BBCAN3, when we were way more engaged in that season? I was hoping for a more educated evaluation if i'm honest, not another opportunity to bash your two least favorite members lol.

And well too me a generic white male has ideals engrained in him about women, society, work etc and to me, John delivers much more as a houseguest. I don't think he's particularly interesting or deep, but I don't think anyone from this cast apart from James and Da'Vonne were. The way he talks, he comes across more educated about society and its structures, and that's one of the main reasons I don't see him as a generic white male. Also the fact that he hasn't engaged in any showmances etc.

Originally Posted by Raph (Post 8140397)

Also to add to my previous post, you alone have more than double me and Luke's posts combined in this thread, so the hypocrisy is unreal :laugh:

Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 8140398)

:joker: I've not posted much in the BBUSA sub-forum much tbh, so it's funny

Originally Posted by Raph (Post 8140384)

Okay, so how come BB17 gets that much less attention here than BBCAN3, when we were way more engaged in that season? I was hoping for a more educated evaluation if i'm honest, not another opportunity to bash your two least favorite members lol.

And well too me a generic white male has ideals engrained in him about women, society, work etc and to me, John delivers much more as a houseguest. I don't think he's particularly interesting or deep, but I don't think anyone from this cast apart from James and Da'Vonne were. The way he talks, he comes across more educated about society and its structures, and that's one of the main reasons I don't see him as a generic white male. Also the fact that he hasn't engaged in any showmances etc.

Originally Posted by Raph (Post 8140388)

I don't think he's generic where his personality/interests are concerned. That being said, he comes across very generic in the way he speaks to women, the way he articulates his 'masculinity', the way he talks quite often in a crude way about a variety of different topics.

He's deeper than John in many senses but I do find him to be more engrained in social structures, than John is.

Originally Posted by Calderyon (Post 8140401)

OK. I see your point/where you´re coming from.

Originally Posted by Raph (Post 8140399)

Yeah same, even during the season I reckon i've posted more in the BBCanada threads, it's such a flawed argument and really is just an attempt to belittle people, which I see no need for.

Originally Posted by Ross. (Post 8140406)

Ladies put the handbags down and let's just appreciate the greatness of Jackie and Basic Becky instead

Originally Posted by goldensunlight (Post 8140410)

Just because you don't like John it doesn't make him 'generic'. At least find a valid argument against him if you want to hate on him that much, preferably not the predictably dull 'cue cards' one either.

Originally Posted by goldensunlight (Post 8140410)

Just because you don't like John it doesn't make him 'generic'. At least find a valid argument against him if you want to hate on him that much, preferably not the predictably dull 'cue cards' one either.

Originally Posted by Ross. (Post 8140406)

Ladies put the handbags down and let's just appreciate the greatness of Jackie and Basic Becky instead

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 8140400)

Because BBCan is generally better than BBUS, and some people were turned off by what a mess the BBCan subforum was at the time (and still is.) The forum kinda goes to **** when it's the same two people having the same conversations over and over again.

And I know you have this obsession with labeling posters you get along with and contestants you like as educated and ones you don't like as uneducated, but I don't see how anything John says or does proves him to be educated. On the TV edit he screams cue cards in the DR and sounds like an idiot, and on the feeds he's silent background fodder who doesn't say or do much. He's just wallpaper that the casual audience is loving bc duh, str8 white male. Like, audience keeps complaining about how annoying Liz and Julia's voices are yet they think John's DR voice is the funniest thing ever :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by goldensunlight (Post 8140410)

Just because you don't like John it doesn't make him 'generic'. At least find a valid argument against him if you want to hate on him that much, preferably not the predictably dull 'cue cards' one either.

Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 8140422)

you mean lady macie? because he came for us :nono:

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 8140421)

Is a dentist in his late twenties who is single and loves to play guitar supposed to be revolutionary casting? He's a dime a dozen.