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Jake. 28-02-2013 11:42 PM

And Ariel, I have no idea where you got the 'everyone voting for Mollie' idea from really, I have yet to say who I'm actually voting for and I'm sure others have yet to reveal ;)

Benjamin 28-02-2013 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JH95 (Post 5862554)
And Ariel, I have no idea where you got the 'everyone voting for Mollie' idea from really, I have yet to say who I'm actually voting for and I'm sure others have yet to reveal ;)

We are under the impression Raph is on a mission to get Mollie the win.

Jake. 28-02-2013 11:43 PM

And good speech Mollie, agree with the 'staying under the radar' approach as being a good one, as it has clearly worked :)

Jake. 28-02-2013 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben (Post 5862555)
We are under the impression Raph is on a mission to get Mollie the win.

Well that might be the case, but I for one have not decided on who my vote will go to :)

Benjamin 28-02-2013 11:46 PM

I'll say this though. I think the entire top ten were good game players, which made the final ten an excellent, exciting and unpredictable one. Also very stressful and tiring, lol.

Jake. 28-02-2013 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben (Post 5862562)
I'll say this though. I think the entire top ten were good game players, which made the final ten an excellent, exciting and unpredictable one. Also very stressful and tiring, lol.

Yeah, it was a great bunch for this series, everyone added to it in some way and we all got that we had to play the game :love:

Jenn-CityIVLyfe 28-02-2013 11:47 PM

Lee, you're next.
Somehow I've gone through the whole game without actually talking strategy with you, despite being in an alliance together. As a jury member, this makes it difficult to vote for you because I don't know your game style. Ben has always been at the forefront of the pair of you, and I think he has come across as the decision maker.
So I want you to tell me how you were pulling the strings. Give me an instance of when you manipulated Ben. Tell me how the decisions and votes you made were best for you.
I will commend you for both finding the idol and playing it at the right time. That's no small feat.
You're still very much in contention for my vote, so please give me your all for this question.

Munchkins 28-02-2013 11:47 PM

Well done everyone you have all done amazing :D

*cuts to ad break, and a glass house coming soon ad plays xoxo*

Ben,Lee,Mollie goodluck to you all :love:

Drew. 28-02-2013 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mollie. (Post 5862552)
I think I should win because of all the hard work, dedication and effort I've put in this game, it would be a travesty to see that go unrewarded




LOL Seriously though, I'm obviously not going to win based on effort I've put into this game because I've been (unintentionally) terrible, I'm hoping to win based on the pure fact I really have been a survivor. I don't think anyone could've seen me making the final, even I myself didn't see it, I've been a dark horse and wiped you all out without managing to break a sweat so if you want to award me for actually manage to accomplish such a feat then you should do so.

I like to think me being crowned a winner as well proves you don't always have to go into these games being a master tactician or cunning evil genius going around forming alliances left right and centre or something to get far in them, you can get through them just by hiding under the radar and keeping it low key, being a complete underdog and not really getting too involved with the drama/splits/alliances.

I don't mind who wins because the other 2 are amazing, so just go with whatever you guys feel, but if I'm saying why I should win, it's because of the sheer underground mouse approach I've taken to somehow end up this far without getting voted off.

Also if you crown me your winner I am going to donate half the prize fund to the orphanages of Kinshasa.

Love you all <3

Completely different answer to Ben but also a very good answer and some good points

Jake. 28-02-2013 11:49 PM

I have a question for Mollie, if I may? Do you not think that there is a bit of a difference between flying under the radar/avoiding conflict and just being inactive? :laugh: it's not like you had the chance to avoid much in the first place lol :D

LemonJam 28-02-2013 11:56 PM

I'm possibly being a bit harsh with my questions, so apologies in advance, but as a host I want to let you defend parts of your game that could be considered "holes"

Ben
You've been the most successful in challenges and have pulled off some massive strategic plays, and I can't fault you on that. However, you've masterminded your way to a final against the most popular person in the game. Survivor is first and foremost a social game, so why would you want to take somebody to the end who's so universally loved?

Lee
You've played a very solid game, technically no votes have been successfully cast against you and you've stuck to your loyalties. That said, I struggle to see what has made you truly stand out as a contestant in terms of challenges or strategy. Explain one move that you made in the game which was a completely independant decision.

Mollie
What I thought was brilliant about your game last season is that you alligned with somebody strategically dominant and had such a strong social game that had Marc taken you to the end, you probably would've wiped it clean. This time, you've played under the radar, but I don't think it's been a concious strategic decision, so I just want to ask you: Why do you honestly believe you've made it to the final three?

Jake. 28-02-2013 11:57 PM

Good Qs James

Maia 28-02-2013 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JH95 (Post 5862571)
I have a question for Mollie, if I may? Do you not think that there is a bit of a difference between flying under the radar and avoiding conflict and just being inactive? :laugh: it's not like you had the chance to avoid much in the first place lol :D

LOL yeah I do :laugh: Obviously the main reason for my inactivity was because I genuinely couldn't be on due to offline stuff, I would've taken part in the challenges way more if I had a choice, but at the same time I do like to think I really have "survived" this. I didn't get voted out, even with the few voteoffs I missed which would've hindered my chances even more, I still survived. Some people would call it an anti-climax but I do think me winning would be poetic justice for all those out there who genuinely are just in these games for the fun aspect and aren't bothered about being clever or sneaky about it, and get through without playing ringmaster or anything. I also wouldn't call what I've done *floating through to the final* either, because I really don't think I'd still be here if I was genuinely not remotely involved in this game whatsoever.

Jenn-CityIVLyfe 01-03-2013 12:00 AM

And last but not least
Ben,
We've been working together since the tribe swap, and you were a powerful ally throughout our time together in this game. I think you played a beautiful game, but it wasn't without its flaws.
The first question I can think of goes back to the Jake boot. You messaged me saying that you had an idol, you were going to play it, and that we should vote for Lucas. You later changed the vote to Jake. However, you didn't have the idol, Lee did, and she didn't play it. My question is why you felt it necessary to lie to me about the idol? Was it really that important to hide the fact that Lee had the idol and not you? Also, did you even plan on her playing it, or was that just to scare me into voting with you?
My second question deals with your alliances. You told me at one point that you had held true to Lee, Reece, and I the entire game. However, we later saw you turn on Reece. My question, and please answer honestly, had I not voted myself out of the game, "how far did you plan on taking me?" Did you want to sit in the final together, or would I have been targeted around 4 or 5 like Lucas and Reece were?
And lastly, this addresses your choice to take Mollie to the end. I guess I really want to know why you found Lucas to be more of a threat. I see some friendly faces on the jury for her, do you expect to be able to win over those vote.
Doubts aside, you played a great game, and congratulations on making it to the final 3!

Jake. 01-03-2013 12:01 AM

Thanks for answering Mollie, good answer :) and liking your questions Ariel!!

Drew. 01-03-2013 12:02 AM

i hope they are feeling the pressure.. great questions :amazed:

Jenn-CityIVLyfe 01-03-2013 12:04 AM

And congratulations to all three of you. You outplayed all seven of us regardless of how we may see our games in our own eyes!

Benjamin 01-03-2013 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LemonJam (Post 5862587)
Ben
You've been the most successful in challenges and have pulled off some massive strategic plays, and I can't fault you on that. However, you've masterminded your way to a final against the most popular person in the game. Survivor is first and foremost a social game, so why would you want to take somebody to the end who's so universally loved?


I could talk my opinions on Mollies strategy, but I'm not going to criticize somebody else's path to the final during this part. Although Mollie is loved (I love her too) I do see Mollie as the least biggest threat, even if I know she may get a couple of votes, I would like to think that either me or Lee have played the game well enough to secure a win.

Drew. 01-03-2013 12:08 AM

My final question to all 3

this could possibly change someones votes for or against you.. out of the players not in the top 3 who do you think and who would you have like to have seen win.

Jenn-CityIVLyfe 01-03-2013 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Drew. (Post 5862615)
My final question to all 3

this could possibly change someones votes for or against you.. out of the players not in the top 3 who do you think and who would you have like to have seen win.

Was literally just about to ask that :love:

Maia 01-03-2013 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LemonJam (Post 5862587)
Mollie
What I thought was brilliant about your game last season is that you alligned with somebody strategically dominant and had such a strong social game that had Marc taken you to the end, you probably would've wiped it clean. This time, you've played under the radar, but I don't think it's been a concious strategic decision, so I just want to ask you: Why do you honestly believe you've made it to the final three?

A good question here. In all honesty the reason I think I've made this final 3 is because I don't think anyone has totally seen me as a threat in this game. My inactivity and everything has probably made people think I could be used to carry through and take out the other competition and so I've just somehow managed to float through, but at the same time I still don't think I'd have made it this far if I wasn't remotely involved in some way. I've been unintentionally inactive throughout a lot of it and carried through a bit yes, but I still really don't think I could've made the final without fighting under the radar. I think I've been underestimated a lot by everyone including myself, but I have still somehow managed to come out of this a dark horse and an actual survivor.

Benjamin 01-03-2013 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenn-CityIVLyfe (Post 5862595)
And last but not least
Ben,
We've been working together since the tribe swap, and you were a powerful ally throughout our time together in this game. I think you played a beautiful game, but it wasn't without its flaws.
The first question I can think of goes back to the Jake boot. You messaged me saying that you had an idol, you were going to play it, and that we should vote for Lucas. You later changed the vote to Jake. However, you didn't have the idol, Lee did, and she didn't play it. My question is why you felt it necessary to lie to me about the idol? Was it really that important to hide the fact that Lee had the idol and not you? Also, did you even plan on her playing it, or was that just to scare me into voting with you?
My second question deals with your alliances. You told me at one point that you had held true to Lee, Reece, and I the entire game. However, we later saw you turn on Reece. My question, and please answer honestly, had I not voted myself out of the game, "how far did you plan on taking me?" Did you want to sit in the final together, or would I have been targeted around 4 or 5 like Lucas and Reece were?
And lastly, this addresses your choice to take Mollie to the end. I guess I really want to know why you found Lucas to be more of a threat. I see some friendly faces on the jury for her, do you expect to be able to win over those vote.
Doubts aside, you played a great game, and congratulations on making it to the final 3!

I'll happily admit that my strategies were nowhere near perfect. I had to try and think fast and alter stuff from information I gathered. The idol instance with Jake was because I knew I was in trouble as people were voting me. Although we were in an alliance I was still unsure if you were working with Raph, as I know you two are close out of the game. After that I did trust you fully. I also didn't want people finding out Lee had the idol at that point and voting her out instead. I had asked Lee to use the idol on me, which she didn't (that is her credit not mine) which worked out well.

I had planned on making the final 5 me, you, reece, Lee and Lucas without betraying any of you. Being honest here I knew I would have to betray two of you guys if I survived, and I still probably would have gone for reece and Lucas as I saw them as the biggest threats. It has been my least favourite part of the game doing that as you guys were all responsible for my survival against Jake. When it came to Lucas I was torn between him and Mollie, but ultimately I saw him as a bigger challenge to overcome because of his strategies throughout the game.

If people want to vote for Mollie because they like her then that is their decision, but I hope people vote without holding grudges against any of us. I tried to make this game exciting with big moves while trying to shake off the biggest threat target on my back so even if I don't win, I know I managed to survive to the final.

Thank you for recognising my game play, even if it was flawed at times. It was a pleasure working alongside you and getting to know you.

Maia 01-03-2013 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Drew. (Post 5862615)
My final question to all 3

this could possibly change someones votes for or against you.. out of the players not in the top 3 who do you think and who would you have like to have seen win.

I think Raph could've won and I would've liked to see him win because he was a good strategist. I wouldn't single him out though because you, Lucas, Jake as well did amazing, think any of you could've won had you made the final.

Benjamin 01-03-2013 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew. (Post 5862615)
My final question to all 3

this could possibly change someones votes for or against you.. out of the players not in the top 3 who do you think and who would you have like to have seen win.

Honestly, I had the win down to Ariel, Jake, you, Lucas or reece at one point.

All of you played great games, hence why we targeted some of you, but I would have wanted someone from my alliance to win, so either Ariel, reece or Lucas if I hadn't made it here just because they helped orchestrate some of the biggest moves in the game with our alliance.

Drew. 01-03-2013 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mollie. (Post 5862649)
I think Raph could've won and I would've liked to see him win because he was a good strategist. I wouldn't single him out though because you, Lucas, Jake as well did amazing, think any of you could've won had you made the final.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben (Post 5862655)
Honestly, I had the win down to Ariel, Jake, you, Lucas or reece at one point.

All of you played great games, hence why we targeted some of you, but I would have wanted someone from my alliance to win, so either Ariel, reece or Lucas if I hadn't made it here just because they helped orchestrate some big moves with our alliance.

thanks for the good answers :)


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