Vanessa would be crazy to not get Steve out and force John to work with her fully, cause surely she has to realize that Steve is not with her anymore after what she did.

If Steve still is with her... good lord.

It would be amazing if Vanessa had the deciding vote and voted Austin.

She would be stupid to do so IMO.

Cause i think Steve and John would (should) take Liz and they could all work together to get Vanessa out and go to the final 3 together.

She can't really force John to work with her though, I don't think. He's never had much tolerance for her before this week, and then she went on her usual power trip and he refused to beg and grovel and plead and she tried to get him out. He's wanted her blood for a while and this week is only going to help fuel that desire.

Vanessa's game really unraveled this week, the 1-2 punch of evicting Julia and winning HoH might be the end of it all for her.

Who should Vanessa want out of Steve and Austin?

It's a tough call because I don't think that Liz or John (whichever one is isolated after the eviction) will be dying to work with her after this week. I think getting rid of Austin may be better for her, but either way I don't really think she stands a shot at getting to the end anymore. If she doesn't win the next POV I think she has a pretty good shot at getting evicted, and same if she doesn't win the final HOH.

If she makes it to the F2 though, she probably will win if only because the jury questioning in BB is such an atrocity and ever since BB14 they get Dr. Will to come in and encourage the jurors to not be bitter :rolleyes: if it was a Survivor-style grilling I don't think Vanessa would stand a shot because I really don't see her owning up to her game.

Yeah, I don´t understand, why didn´t she throw it to John. Or even Austin.

She would have been safe either one, as i think John would have been gone after Austin and Liz and Liz and Austin would have eventually gone after John/Steve, cause they are kind of a pair.

Now she won HOH on final 5, made the other side, the one she was working with angry with her, and potentially the other side too and can´t play for HOH on Tuesday. And it´s the final 4 HOH, the most important after Final 3 one obviously.

All it takes it for Steve, John and Liz to make a deal and work together to get Vanessa out.

Do you think Steve is after her too? She did double cross him too in a bad way.

I think so. If Vanessa doesn't win the next POV she's gonna have a real tough time getting out of this one.

Should she then get rid of Steve as the damage has been done already and the working relationship between them cannot be repaired anymore?

There's a reason that he's currently the favourite housemate with BB viewers despite you believing everything he does is 'fake' purely because you don't like him.

I don't know if one is really more favorable than the other. It's really ****ty for Vanessa bc Steve and Austin are probably the two best allies for her (lol so good job at nominating both of them.) Like, as much as Steve may be against her he obviously has an Oedipal complex and she's the closest thing to a mother figure in there, and even though Austin has a showmance attached to him he really is the only person on Vanessa's level in terms of game talk and strategizing, and I think she genuinely prefers his strategic company the best. John doesn't entertain any of Vanessa's bull**** and Liz still hasn't really evolved from the early game mentality of "he's annoying so we should get him out" so they don't really offer Vanessa much (except for the girl power thing that Liz pushed but probably doesn't really care about as much.)

Why didn´t she nominate Liz? The one who she said she didn´t trust to take to the final 2.

It´s like she is deliberately sabotaging her game.

The general BB audience is taking to a str8 white male whose airtime is almost exclusively "funny" DR sessions? I for one am shocked.

And it's not an issue of me believing that everything he does is fake, it's the fact that his DR screaming voice is not his natural voice. Just watch him on the feeds for five minutes, it's not really up for debate. His screaming voice only comes out when he's in the DR or in an important part of an episode such as a Nomination Ceremony, POV Meeting, or eviction episode. His coworkers in his home segment were like "wow we've never seen this kooky side to him before!!!" and the other HGs are so confused when they hear him screaming from the DR because he never uses that voice when he's just in the house.

I know you love John and will defend him no matter what but let's call a spade a spade.

She wouldn't be forcing John to work with her though. He has said he wants to go to final 3 with Liz & Austin and I wouldn't be surprised if he actually ideally wants that scenario.

He needs something in his end game to explain why he deserves to win the game and what he's doing now could be crazy and ballsy enough to get him deserving votes. First, eliminating his closest ally because he is close with Vanessa and helps her get to the end (also a big threat to win whether there's a bitter jury or not). At final 4 there's a very rare chance he gets evicted and that's pretty important to have that edge.

Second, he eliminates Vanessa in final 4 over a showmance because she has the best shot at winning the game and would be the biggest competition in the final 3 HOH. If Vanessa wins the veto it's still not the worst situation for him but he'd never take Vanessa to final 2. He still has to win the final 3 HOH most likely because Austin or Liz are unlikely to win it so he has to beat Vanessa to evict her.

I think no matter what he might need to win the final comp and that's where him lying about not being a superfan can come in as a strategical argument to getting there (Austin/Liz figure he would suck at it). He's probably the favorite to win that against Austin & Liz and then can win the game with a crazy final few weeks.

Because you said you hate generic white males yet John is a prime example of that. I never said I hate cooky, weird older women which is why Eileen was my fave.

Austin's going now apparently, probably due to some DR prodding. I think he's the only one who might have actually taken Vanessa to the end so this might just help the chances of a John/Steve F2 :rolleyes:

They aren't just a fan, they are a superfan /Neda :bored:

Are Steve or John gone yet? I might watch the end of the season if they are

Oh nvm, just read back, the season remains ****.

Also, Macie :clap1:

yeah it's a shame bc even though Austin definitely sucks, I think a John/Steve F2 is worst case scenario and then we'd get some white boy revisionism about what gr8 games they played when they would both be bottom tier winners.

It's funny bc I never thought an Austin win would be one of my preferred choices, but the meltdowns would be hilarious and casuals really don't deserve to be happy.

Personally for me a Steve or John win would be down there as one of the worst alongside Jordan and Andy, awful houseguests.

This would be a great move,but I do think Vanessa will manipulate them into doing something else.

She should want both out tbh, I mean Austin is obviously going to take Liz to the final 2...But idk maybe Austin could also try and get Vanessa out.. things can flip.

this, also every housemate is a favourite to somebody.

Messy Iggy, she should have put Liz up if she wants Steve out or split up the Austin/Liz showmance.. Liz is good at comps too.

Vanessa needs to evict Steve to ensure she's not evicted next. I'm hoping she told Johnny Mac to evict Austin in an attempt for her to evict Steve in the tie breaker, leaving JMac with the blood on his hands so that Liztin will be evicting John next. Here's hoping because I really dislike John and Steve and after all my favs are gone a Austin/Liz/Vanessa final 3 would be deserving for them.

After what Vanessa did what she did, she really should evict Steve. Cause they (John and Steve) won´t take her to the final 3, they´ll take Liz there. She would have to win veto to survive.

With Austin there, she has a better shot at getting to final 3, since they can all go after John.