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Sticks 13-04-2014 05:30 PM

The way some go on, it seems that next to Putin, sliced bread was the worst thing ever in the whole history of creation

lostalex 13-04-2014 09:09 PM

Russia is making me so angry i want to give Putin a good talking to!

Nedusa 14-04-2014 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6796243)
Russia is making me so angry i want to give Putin a good talking to!

Why ? Because he won't do what the US tells him to do ?

Z 14-04-2014 09:48 AM

I would love to meet Vladimir Putin one day, I think he's fascinating

arista 14-04-2014 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z (Post 6797206)
I would love to meet Vladimir Putin one day, I think he's fascinating


He is very Direct
Eye to Eye.



If were telling him the good he is doing
he would give you a min

arista 14-04-2014 11:03 AM

http://oilandglory.foreignpolicy.com/files/putin_2.jpg

lostalex 14-04-2014 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6797184)
Why ? Because he won't do what the US tells him to do ?

because he is using the Ukrainian people in his ****ed up game of power, with no regard at all for the lives he's destroying. I would have a lot to explain to him. i don't think he understands that world politics is not some silly board game, his actions have real consequences.

I can't stand seeing what he's doing to the poor people of Ukraine. :(

Nedusa 14-04-2014 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6797261)
because he is using the Ukrainian people in his ****ed up game of power, with no regard at all for the lives he's destroying. I would have a lot to explain to him. i don't think he understands that world politics is not some silly board game, his actions have real consequences.

I can't stand seeing what he's doing to the poor people of Ukraine. :(

Oh I see.........Ideally then what would you like to happen ? perhaps NATO move troops into Ukraine or the West intall a no fly zone over Ukraine.

It takes two sides to play the Geopolitical game.

lostalex 14-04-2014 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6797378)
Oh I see.........Ideally then what would you like to happen ? perhaps NATO move troops into Ukraine or the West intall a no fly zone over Ukraine.

It takes two sides to play the Geopolitical game.

I think Putin has demonstrated properly that Russia is way past due for Regime Change. For the good of global stability, i think we need to start making some big changes in Russia.

It's not fair for Russia to bully and frighten the children all over eastern Europe. I think America has an obligation towards the people of eastern Europe to make sure that the Russian Monster is kept at bay, and i think America has been neglecting that responsibility lately, it's time the sleeping giant awoke. We owe it to the people of eastern Europe who have been intimidated and scared for decades now. They probably have felt very neglected since the cold war ended. Russia is clearly being aggressive, and we vowed to defend them when Russia threatens them.

America has that unfortunate duty to protect the Eastern Europeans, because no one else will, unfortunately the EU(lead by the trinity of cowards: UK,France, and Germany) is as pathetic and powerless and ineffective as always, so it's up to US.

Nedusa 14-04-2014 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6797391)
I think Putin has demonstrated properly that Russia is way past due for Regime Change. For the good of global stability, i think we need to start making some big changes in Russia.

It's not fair for Russia to bully and frighten the children all over eastern Europe. I think America has an obligation towards the people of eastern Europe to make sure that the Russian Monster is kept at bay, and i think America has been neglecting that responsibility lately, it's time the sleeping giant awoke. We owe it to the people of eastern Europe who have been intimidated and scared for decades now. They probably have felt very neglected since the cold war ended. Russia is clearly being aggressive, and we vowed to defend them when Russia threatens them.

America has that unfortunate duty to protect the Eastern Europeans, because no one else will, unfortunately the EU(lead by the trinity of cowards: UK,France, and Germany) is as pathetic and powerless and ineffective as always, so it's up to US.

Maybe Russia is scared at the ever increasing eastwards expansion of NATO. Maybe it is worried that NATO is almost on it's borders.I support NATO and have done always, however when the Iron curtain fell in 1991 I like most people expected NATO to become like the Warsaw pact past it's sell buy date. but no NATO kept going getting involved in military actions like Bosnia/Serbia and Libya when in reality it had no authority to do so.

Perhaps I can see that Russia is threatened and is trying to shore up it's defences against this perceived NATO threat.

I agree that it is time for change in Russia as the Oligarchs and Mobsters to an extent are running the show. Real democracy needs to be achieved and the fear and paranoia of the Cold War era left in that era.

By the way very brave of you to come onto a Britsh based Website/Forum and call the UK a powerless and pathetic cowardly country.

Way to go........how to make friends :nono:

lostalex 14-04-2014 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6797424)
Maybe Russia is scared at the ever increasing eastwards expansion of NATO. Maybe it is worried that NATO is almost on it's borders.I support NATO and have done always, however when the Iron curtain fell in 1991 I like most people expected NATO to become like the Warsaw pact past it's sell buy date. but no NATO kept going getting involved in military actions like Bosnia/Serbia and Libya when in reality it had no authority to do so.

Perhaps I can see that Russia is threatened and is trying to shore up it's defences against this perceived NATO threat.

I agree that it is time for change in Russia as the Oligarchs and Mobsters to an extent are running the show. Real democracy needs to be achieved and the fear and paranoia of the Cold War era left in that era.

By the way very brave of you to come onto a Britsh based Website/Forum and call the UK a powerless and pathetic cowardly country.

Way to go........how to make friends :nono:

NATO has never invaded Russia, but Russia does have a long brutal history of invading Europe. so please don't compare the threat of NATO to Russia with the threat of Russia towards Europe... only one side, Russia, has ever invaded and conquered, and brutalized Europe. It's not NATO that did that, it's Russia, and nothing can erase that history.

NATO only has a history of DEFENDING Europe. big difference. and i don;'t appreciate you implying that some how it's NATO that is a threat to Europe's security. It shows a true ignorance of history, and a truly offensive lack of GRATITUDE for everything the US has done to stabilize Europe since WW2.

arista 14-04-2014 04:06 PM

Yes Nato is dead



And Russia flew a jet close to a American Ship on Saturday


To be fair this has nothing to do with America

lostalex 14-04-2014 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6797496)
Yes Nato is dead

it does seem that way right? There's a major conflict going on in Europe, Russia seems happy to take whatever land they canb get their hand on at the moment, but every major American news channel only wants to talk about an asian plane in the indian ocean. If i was in eastern Europe, i would definitely feel abandoned by NATO and The US and EU. I feel sad and scared for them.

Nedusa 14-04-2014 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6797468)
NATO has never invaded Russia, but Russia does have a long brutal history of invading Europe. so please don't compare the threat of NATO to Russia with the threat of Russia towards Europe... only one side, Russia, has ever invaded and conquered, and brutalized Europe. It's not NATO that did that, it's Russia, and nothing can erase that history.

NATO only has a history of DEFENDING Europe. big difference. and i don;'t appreciate you implying that some how it's NATO that is a threat to Europe's security. It shows a true ignorance of history, and a truly offensive lack of GRATITUDE for everything the US has done to stabilize Europe since WW2.

I really don't know what sort of history books you have been reading but Russia never invaded,conquered or brutalised anybody in Europe, in fact Europe or more importantly Germany invaded Russia and killed up to 30M Russians during the 2nd world War. Russia in fact fought on the side of the allies (in both World Wars) so I don't know where all this anti Russian rhetoric is coming from.

I agree NATO was defending Europe against the spread of Communism from the USSR but that has gone now so why does NATO have to keep advancing eastwards towards Russia ?

lostalex 14-04-2014 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6797505)
I really don't know what sort of history books you have been reading but Russia never invaded,conquered or brutalised anybody in Europe, in fact Europe or more importantly Germany invaded Russia and killed up to 30M Russians during the 2nd world War. Russia in fact fought on the side of the allies (in both World Wars) so I don't know where all this anti Russian rhetoric is coming from.

I agree NATO was defending Europe against the spread of Communism from the USSR but that has gone now so why does NATO have to keep advancing eastwards towards Russia ?


AHH hahaha, seriously? Russia wasn't liberating ANYONE during WW2 they were just planting flags and expanding the Soviet Empire. Funny how while Russia was "liberating" countries in their fight against the nazi's they ended up with a **** ton more land afterwards, i don't remember the US claiming all the countries in Europe as new US states after WW2... but somehow Russia ended up claiming all the countries they suppossedly "liberated" as new Soviet States under the flag of the USSR, can you explain that to me please???

Nedusa 14-04-2014 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6797509)
AHH hahaha, seriously? Russia wasn't liberating ANYONE during WW2 they were just planting flags and expanding the Soviet Empire. Funny how while Russia was "liberating" countries in their fight against the nazi's they ended up with a **** ton more land afterwards, i don't remember the US claiming all the countries in Europe as new US states after WW2... but somehow Russia ended up claiming all the countries they suppossedly "liberated" as new Soviet States under the flag of the USSR, can you explain that to me please???

Maybe after the horrors of the 2nd world War and due to the terrible price Russia had to pay they decided the only way to stop future fascist threats was to try and bring these eastern european countries under their sphere of influence. I agree once Communism took hold the Europe did indeed need a counter balance and NATO proved to be an effective counterweight to the USSR.

But as I said earlier time has moved on and NATO moving eastwards and provoking Russia now helps nobody and delays the inevitable reform of Russia and it's inclusion into the European family of Nations.

Besides the West and in particular the US has bigger enemies out there which it should be concentrating on.

lostalex 14-04-2014 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6797524)
Maybe after the horrors of the 2nd world War and due to the terrible price Russia had to pay they decided the only way to stop future fascist threats was to try and bring these eastern european countries under their sphere of influence. I agree once Communism took hold the Europe did indeed need a counter balance and NATO proved to be an effective counterweight to the USSR.

But as I said earlier time has moved on and NATO moving eastwards and provoking Russia now helps nobody and delays the inevitable reform of Russia and it's inclusion into the European family of Nations.

Besides the West and in particular the US has bigger enemies out there which it should be concentrating on.

Funny how the US didn't feel that same need to annex all the countries we liberated during WW2, we didn't make france, and UK and spain and netherlands new US states, instead we nurtured democracy., funny how the US instead chose to lift up and support independent states in not only Europe but even in our greatest enemy Japan, and i think the US's strategy obviously paid off, because the west germans and Japan are both great prosperous nations now, did Russia nurture any great prosperous nations in eastern Europe after WW2? no it it seems they just created pathetic weak, unstable countries all over eastern Europe. but you can't acknowledge that the US strategy was better and actually what the US did was create a stronger and more secure world under it's influence. you can't admit that can you?

You can't admit that the US strategy after ww2 was better than Russia can you, and you can't admit the HORRORs that Russia committed towards eastern Europe after ww2, and that actually the USSR under Stalin was just as if not worse than nazi germany. Youwon't admit that. you still want to pretend that Russia deserves the credit for defeating Hitler. And it pains you to admit that actually America's contribution to the war was more meaningful and more benign than Russians.

You cannot rewrite history my dear, Europe may try to forget, but we have it all logged on the other side of the Atlantic, and we remember.

America tried to build up the lands we liberated. Russia brutalized and suppressed the lands they "liberated".

Just compare the success of countries that America liberated, verses the lands Russia supposedly "liberated" after ww2, it couldn't be more clear.

Nedusa 14-04-2014 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6797589)
Funny how the US didn't feel that same need to annex all the countries we liberated during WW2, we didn't make france, and UK and spain and netherlands new US states, instead we nurtured democracy., funny how the US instead chose to lift up and support independent states in not only Europe but even in our greatest enemy Japan, and i think the US's strategy obviously paid off, because the west germans and Japan are both great prosperous nations now, did Russia nurture any great prosperous nations in eastern Europe after WW2? no it it seems they just created pathetic weak, unstable countries all over eastern Europe. but you can't acknowledge that the US strategy was better and actually what the US did was create a stronger and more secure world under it's influence. you can't admit that can you?

You can't admit that the US strategy after ww2 was better than Russia can you, and you can't admit the HORRORs that Russia committed towards eastern Europe after ww2, and that actually the USSR under Stalin was just as if not worse than nazi germany. Youwon't admit that. you still want to pretend that Russia deserves the credit for defeating Hitler. And it pains you to admit that actually America's contribution to the war was more meaningful and more benign than Russians.

You cannot rewrite history my dear, Europe may try to forget, but we have it all logged on the other side of the Atlantic, and we remember.

America tried to build up the lands we liberated. Russia brutalized and suppressed the lands they "liberated".

Just compare the success of countries that America liberated, verses the lands Russia supposedly "liberated" after ww2, it couldn't be more clear.

Good post, I agree with every word, but your post doesn't contradict my last post, yes Stalin was a brutal dictator bit that was the USSR we are talking about Russia and the Russian people, they are no different from Amercan people..

Just normal hard working people trying to get on in life.

This great game of political chess between current world powers must stop and we all need to move on and face the challenges of this world together not continue squabbling about whose ideology is better.

arista 15-04-2014 07:03 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/...51_964x628.jpg

arista 15-04-2014 07:09 PM

Ukraine has said they can not send Tanks in
as its their own people.


The problem
is Putin has Rights to protect the Russian Speaking people.

The Nato leader (whatever he is for?)
talks of other nations helping.

Other Nations can do nothing

Its Something between Putin and the fake leader of Ukraine


Ref: Ch4HDNews, FoxNewsHD, CNN America, & SkyNewsHD

Nedusa 17-04-2014 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6797468)
NATO has never invaded Russia, but Russia does have a long brutal history of invading Europe. so please don't compare the threat of NATO to Russia with the threat of Russia towards Europe... only one side, Russia, has ever invaded and conquered, and brutalized Europe. It's not NATO that did that, it's Russia, and nothing can erase that history.

NATO only has a history of DEFENDING Europe. big difference. and i don;'t appreciate you implying that some how it's NATO that is a threat to Europe's security. It shows a true ignorance of history, and a truly offensive lack of GRATITUDE for everything the US has done to stabilize Europe since WW2.

Russia a bully? Please. The US has 750+ bases all over the world. They have bullied their rise to the top of the global economy with their petrodollar hegemony, and they have been toppling 3rd world governments for the last 20 years. Russia doesn't want NATO encroaching upon its borders and until the US renigged on the deal not to expand NATO Russia wasn't doing anything. Georgia? Lol look who the US was supporting..... a tie eating western puppet.

The USA has no balls. If they had any and if they had real leaders they would take out NK..... and they'd tell the UN, IMF, and the rest of the world to eff off. Instead they poke their nose in every corner of the world waving their Monopoly money like a heroin dealer trying to goad some junkies while their own country and economy burns. I don't even know what good things I can say about the US anymore. Sad thing is there is no point in Americans leaving because they've infected and infiltrated every other part of the world and worse people are beginning to just not like them and their cowboy frat brother attitude. Go USA!

Yes Fcuk off and leave the rest of the world in peace...!!!

arista 24-04-2014 11:47 AM

[Five dead as Ukrainian special forces troops remove three illegal checkpoints manned by armed groups

Armoured personnel carriers and a helicopter used in the assault
Russian president Putin said attack constitutes 'a very serious crime' ]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2znrUBuXY




Yes Putin they asking for a you to invade and fight.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/...74_634x420.jpg

arista 05-05-2014 06:16 PM

Title changed its a Civil War now

over 40 killed
days ago.

And Ukraine Forces ran back
after they heard over the border Russia
was getting ready.


Nato claims they are getting ready in other baltic states
near Russia.


"Ukraine crisis 'threatens peace in Europe', says Russia"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ys-Russia.html

Alf 05-05-2014 07:30 PM

We may just get World war III in our lifetime afterall, it was always gonna be between Russia and USA.


Are you ready for war?

arista 05-05-2014 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wannashag (Post 6829984)
We may just get World war III in our lifetime afterall, it was always gonna be between Russia and USA.


Are you ready for war?


Yes my Bunker is Fully Stocked


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