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Will. 14-11-2015 10:21 AM

Yeah, everyone is on high alert, the public are scared.

My mum has giving me lecture this morning on how I must be very careful going to the West End - my dad works there and that's only time I see him.

arista 14-11-2015 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Will1999 (Post 8284755)
Yeah, everyone is on high alert, the public are scared.

My mum has giving me lecture this morning on how I must be very careful going to the West End - my dad works there and that's only time I see him.


Nothing wrong with that

Will. 14-11-2015 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 8284757)
Nothing wrong with that

nope, there isn't.

Kizzy 14-11-2015 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8284747)
Yeah lets just blame Cameron.No responsibility for the murderous terrorists who are doing this.It's all Hollande and Camerons fault.

They aren't my words that is the view of the terrorists, they are suggesting airstrikes are the reason for the attacks.
If France is a target for their action then we may be too is all I said.
I do think that Camerons actions were rash, he has scaled back on so many frontline services that any terrorist activity here could be catastrophic.

Livia 14-11-2015 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8284769)
They aren't my words that is the view of the terrorists, they are suggesting airstrikes are the reason for the attacks.
If France is a target for their action then we may be too is all I said.
I do think that Camerons actions were rash, he has scaled back on so many frontline services that any terrorist activity here could be catastrophic.

You're mistaking reasons for excuses.

arista 14-11-2015 10:38 AM

Yes France Bombs Isis from the Air
in Syria and Iraq

Northern Monkey 14-11-2015 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8284769)
They aren't my words that is the view of the terrorists, they are suggesting airstrikes are the reason for the attacks.
If France is a target for their action then we may be too is all I said.
I do think that Camerons actions were rash, he has scaled back on so many frontline services that any terrorist activity here could be catastrophic.

That more than likely is the views of the terrorists but it does'nt mean we should bow down to them.We either face them head on or just lay down and die.

Kizzy 14-11-2015 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8284774)
That more than likely is the views of the terrorists but it does'nt mean we should bow down to them.We either face them head on or just lay down and die.

I'm not suggesting we bow to them, the damage is done now, maybe our arm was forced and it was the only solution to the issue in Syria.
That does not mean that I think we are equip to deal with a terrorist attack in the UK currently.

Cherie 14-11-2015 10:45 AM

RIP to the innocent dead.

Denver 14-11-2015 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Will1999 (Post 8284746)
BREAKING: Gatwick evacuated after suspicious item found and man with a gun/grenade.

I think this is a 'plant' I don't expect them to attack another major city the day after.

lewis111 14-11-2015 11:06 AM

It was just 1 of three large terrorist attacks yesterday, what a horrible place the world has become

Denver 14-11-2015 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lewis111 (Post 8284816)
It was just 1 of three large terrorist attacks yesterday, what a horrible place the world has become

Unfortunately unless all the world leaders step up there game it will get even worse.

I'm sure France will be ready to attack now but they will not be allowed.

Northern Monkey 14-11-2015 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8284782)
I'm not suggesting we bow to them, the damage is done now, maybe our arm was forced and it was the only solution to the issue in Syria.
That does not mean that I think we are equip to deal with a terrorist attack in the UK currently.

We can only hope that we are.MI5 have apparently stopped many attacks in recent years.
I think if there's one thing in this country at the moment that is not being taken lightly it's security.We also have the SAS(the best in the world).Hopefully we are equipped to deal with it.The French did'nt do a bad job in the Charlie Hebdo attack.I saw a documentary on it recently and they handled it very well.I think we could do the same.
Some attacks just can't be predicted by anyone.

I also think we would still be a target even if we were'nt bombing ISIS in Iraq.

Kizzy 14-11-2015 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8284824)
We can only hope that we are.MI5 have apparently stopped many attacks in recent years.
I think if there's one thing in this country at the moment that is not being taken lightly it's security.We also have the SAS(the best in the world).Hopefully we are equipped to deal with it.The French did'nt do a bad job in the Charlie Hebdo attack.I saw a documentary on it recently and they handled it very well.I think we could do the same.
Some attacks just can't be predicted by anyone.

I also think we would still be a target even if we were'nt bombing ISIS in Iraq.

MI5 and the SAS are specialist forces, and however good they are it will be the police, fire, ambulance and hospital staff dealing with any emergency preparedness as per civil contingency guidelines.
Do they have the resources?

Denver 14-11-2015 11:27 AM

Just seen that loads of French people are lining up too give blood just incase the hospitals run out while saving the injured, so beautiful how they all coming together. :love:

Northern Monkey 14-11-2015 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8284837)
MI5 and the SAS are specialist forces, and however good they are it will be the police, fire, ambulance and hospital staff dealing with any emergency preparedness as per civil contingency guidelines.
Do they have the resources?

You know as much as me(or maybe more).Hopefully.I can fully blame Cameron for the Tory cuts.Not for the actions of ISIS though.Cameron cutting services does'nt mean we should just ignore terrorism.

Kizzy 14-11-2015 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8284860)
You know as much as me(or maybe more).Hopefully.I can fully blame Cameron for the Tory cuts.Not for the actions of ISIS though.Cameron cutting services does'nt mean we should just ignore terrorism.

I haven't suggested we ignore it yet the messages he sends are for me contradictory, he suggests that we're at risk of attack... and then scales back frontline services, it makes no sense.
The bombing campaign has I think been seen as extreme provocation, as said I don't know what the alternatives were, we can only hope we are capable of an adequate response to any threat.

DemolitionRed 14-11-2015 12:11 PM

First and foremost I send my thoughts to Every person who has been affected by this despicable act.


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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8284837)
MI5 and the SAS are specialist forces, and however good they are it will be the police, fire, ambulance and hospital staff dealing with any emergency preparedness as per civil contingency guidelines.
Do they have the resources?

I agree. Scotland Yard have repeatedly spoken about its concerns over national security and public safety because of budgetary cuts.

The fire service is in an even worse state. Ten fire stations were closed in London last year. Sixteen fire engines - 14 pumps and two specialist fire rescue units - as well as 552 firefighter jobs went in the capital, while more than half London's wards reportedly saw response times increase in the months following. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-10173819.html

Sadly, London is no stranger to very real terrorism and so when we get a catastrophic terrorist attack on our neighbours land, it becomes our highest priority risk. That means Operation Cobra is on red alert right now but my question is, have we enough 'Strong Tower' trainees to cope? Could our emergency services that have now dwindled down, be an adequate rapid response team? and if not, should we be getting our armies to make a presence on the streets of our cities?

Kazanne 14-11-2015 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8284688)
I am so glad that Paris is getting support from all around the world, people laying flowers at French Embassies in a show of solidarity and public buildings all over the world being lit in the colours of the French flag. Also, this story was breaking news when I started watching the news last night, and before the end of the bulletin, Obama had already spoken pledging America's allegiance.

Me too Livia,good people have to stand against such evil,'they' if given the chance will destroy the world as we know it,I fear for my children sometimes.

JoshBB 14-11-2015 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8284688)
I am so glad that Paris is getting support from all around the world, people laying flowers at French Embassies in a show of solidarity and public buildings all over the world being lit in the colours of the French flag. Also, this story was breaking news when I started watching the news last night, and before the end of the bulletin, Obama had already spoken pledging America's allegiance.

At least during times of tragedy the world can come together to help one another. We are all one human race after all.

bots 14-11-2015 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8284882)
I haven't suggested we ignore it yet the messages he sends are for me contradictory, he suggests that we're at risk of attack... and then scales back frontline services, it makes no sense.
The bombing campaign has I think been seen as extreme provocation, as said I don't know what the alternatives were, we can only hope we are capable of an adequate response to any threat.

the reality is that we have enough resources to cope with most terrorist events, up to a point. You can never build in enough contingency in all systems to cope with the worst possible eventuality in every circumstance. Its just not cost effective or realistically feasible.

There will always be controversy when services are cut back, that can't be avoided, and sometimes they may be cut back more than ideal, no one can argue against that, but when it comes to such events, it requires everyone whether civilian or in the services to do their bit. It's our country's freedoms that are at stake, everyone must pull together.

Denver 14-11-2015 12:52 PM

Just on BBC one of the suicide bombers was female.

Kizzy 14-11-2015 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 8284925)
the reality is that we have enough resources to cope with most terrorist events, up to a point. You can never build in enough contingency in all systems to cope with the worst possible eventuality in every circumstance. Its just not cost effective or realistically feasible.

There will always be controversy when services are cut back, that can't be avoided, and sometimes they may be cut back more than ideal, no one can argue against that, but when it comes to such events, it requires everyone whether civilian or in the services to do their bit. It's our country's freedoms that are at stake, everyone must pull together.

Given what DR has posted I don't know how you can say this with confidence, nobody knows with the reduction in first responders we've had if we will cope.
It most certainly could have been avoided, with a terror level as high as was purported cuts should have been from anywhere but surely?
Sorry but leaning on the third sector and or civilians is not an adequate response to the threat of the collapse of British infrastructure.

bots 14-11-2015 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8284967)
Given what DR has posted I don't know how you can say this with confidence, nobody knows with the reduction in first responders we've had if we will cope.
It most certainly could have been avoided, with a terror lever as high as was purported cuts should have been from anywhere but surely?
Sorry but leaning on the third sector and or civilians is not an adequate response to the threat of the collapse of British infrastructure.

we will just have to disagree and leave it at that :douf:

Jamie89 14-11-2015 01:06 PM

I have nothing to add to the debate because I honestly wouldn't know where to begin in dealing with terrorism, but the whole situation is so devastating, I just want to say my thoughts are with all of those affected by this horrible tragedy.


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