Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9329381)

The point is that one feeds directly into the other. Attacks increase racism, increased racism increases the amount as of radicalisation, increased radicalisation increases the number of attacks, which increases racism.

You continue to operate in that cycle if you want. It needs to be broken somewhere. And it's not going to broken "with a big ol' crackdown" that feeds directly into the same cycle.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9329496)

..no, attacks increase fears and fears can bring racism to the surface (if it was present already..)...in some cases...just dismissively calling something bull**** pointlessly adds frustrations and defensiveness also which only contributes to any negativity being felt through fears....I think it's wrong to look at what we feel are the contributions of other to negativity without looking closely at our own contribution...

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9329496)

..no, attacks increase fears and fears can bring racism to the surface (if it was present already..)...in some cases...just dismissively calling something bull**** pointlessly adds frustrations and defensiveness also which only contributes to any negativity being felt through fears....I think it's wrong to look at what we feel are the contributions of other to negativity without looking closely at our own contribution...

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9329496)

..no, attacks increase fears and fears can bring racism to the surface (if it was present already..)...in some cases...just dismissively calling something bull**** pointlessly adds frustrations and defensiveness also which only contributes to any negativity being felt through fears....I think it's wrong to look at what we feel are the contributions of other to negativity without looking closely at our own contribution...

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 9329469)

Prisons, it is said prison has become a breeding ground for conversions to Islam.
In prison all they would do is set out to convert others to their cause.

Put them in a separate prison,for what by the way,just being possible suspects rather than doing a vile incident like this.
Lock people up for suspected reasons on this,that will only fuel those that think like them do be more determined to murder.

More hate,more suspicion,more division.
What can prisons do, this govt has demoralised prison officers, they cannot even stop drugs getting into prisons.

The vile terrorist that carries out these acts 'want' to be martyred.
They don't care.
The killers of Lee Rigby are imprisoned,they aren't bothered and attacks have not stopped.

Whether in prison or dead, these terrorists are seen as martyrs to a cause.
How to fight that, needs bringing together communities,not dividing further.
Not whip up prejudice and hate but work for full participation from Islamic communities and leaders against this distortion of their faith.

Make places safer and if that means more Police get them not have massive taxpayers bills keeping more and more people in prison who may never get to trial.
Start with bridges,where little escape is possible and make it as unlikely as is possible to prevent traffic invading walkways.
Get the full security on the streets,using the army if deemed necessary too.
Then actively engage with Islamic communities and leaders to work out real possible ways to start to deal with this.

Not just spout off wording that sounds tough but which has never so far come into action despite these vile attacks.
Also though,make security a National issue not a Party one and thrash out an agreed policy on this by all Parties. So that continuity of said policy is carried on even if and when a govt changes.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9329496)

..no, attacks increase fears and fears can bring racism to the surface (if it was present already..)...in some cases...just dismissively calling something bull**** pointlessly adds frustrations and defensiveness also which only contributes to any negativity being felt through fears....I think it's wrong to look at what we feel are the contributions of other to negativity without looking closely at our own contribution...

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9329509)

I do think barriers on bridges and bollards on walkways would be a step forward, but if you get a big truck Joey it could still do some damage.

Originally Posted by RichardG (Post 9329513)

what an absolute mess our country is in if we now have to place barriers and bollards all over our streets to stop people from running us over

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9329434)

I "wouldn't have posted at all in a thread on terrorism"? Bull****, Cherie.

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Originally Posted by RichardG (Post 9329513)

what an absolute mess our country is in if we now have to place barriers and bollards all over our streets to stop people from running us over

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9329509)

I do think barriers on bridges and bollards on walkways would be a step forward, but if you get a big truck Joey it could still do some damage.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9329514)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7771836.html

Another shudda gonna from may... that was your one job as home secretary, to prevent the rise of radicalisation in communities and your cuts are to blame for the reduced resources tying the hands of counter terrorism.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 9329571)

I agree but security could get round that one in some way I'm sure.

A problem is,these people distort their faith of Islam, they believe they are doing right.
To fight that we need the Islamic community leaders and religious leaders to point martyrdom is the opposite of what they'll get,carrying out these murders.

To get that cooperation,what's needed in my view, is understanding of Islam,genuine cooperation from the respected in Islamic communities and not set out to fuel.division,suspicion and separation.
That will only make things worse and far less safe for all too.

It's no easy task but dealing now with terrorist threats needs to be all Party agreement not just one government's.
That would also help send a positive message to all communities across the UK.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9329522)

its not bull****, you are very quite on threads about attacks yet very vocal in mocking peoples concerns about terrorism

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9329574)

All the political baiting, specially on this thread, is getting sickening now.

Originally Posted by lewis111 (Post 9329719)

Police shot a member of the public last night

Originally Posted by lewis111 (Post 9329720)

50 bullets were fired at the 3 attackers

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9329574)

All the political baiting, specially on this thread, is getting sickening now.

If someone wants to go out and hurt people in the name of their religion, they don't give a flying **** who is in charge of the country and they are not going to stop it whether May or Corbyn is in power or how many policemen are on the street.