No you can post whatever you like as can I....

There you go mansplaining again, along with your usual dose of mockery you have ignored my point entirely here which was there is no need for prefix... A woman that is not a transwoman is a woman.

Ignoring that the prefix also applies to men.

There's no mansplaining Kizzy, you're twisting the truth in order to offend yourself.

You still haven't said why "cis" marginalises women and every other prefix doesn't?

I'm out of here too, you be a cisman if you like...you don't hear that term banded round much I see though

:wavey:

You don't hear cis banded around much at all. Except when you venture into trans-discussions. Funny that.

You don't really help your cause throwing words around like "mansplaining" as though just because I happen to be male and you happen to be female, I must be mansplaining. :idc:

If the marginalisation of women is something you take great issue with, you don't do yourself any favours marginalising yourself where you don't need to.

Marsh & Jamie89 - respect

Kizzy, would it be ok for a straight man to protest and call himself simply a man? Coz he is not gay so while a gay man is a gay man he is a man, meaning a normal man?

Dunno if there's much fuss about the term cis outside of tibb, but if there is the maybe find something less controversial, even if clumsier, like nontrans?

It's still trans-related, so therefore an issue.

Kizzy and I almost never agree, but I have to say I'm 100% behind her on this one.

Why?

Because I feel the same way that she does about this subject.

Edit: and having skimmed the thread, I'm also totally in agreement with Niamh and Vicky.

don't understand it, but ok.
personally don't have a problem with that as it'd be used in trans-related discussions only, I imagine
and it is nicely symetric reminiscent of chemical isomers

Cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning "on this side of", which means the opposite of trans-, meaning "across from" or "on the other side of"
wikipedia def.

No, I meant why do you feel "cis" marginalises women?

Nobody else has actually explained the reasoning behind this and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.

Exactly. But if someone is determined to be offended, they'll be offended.

I've never heard it, I don't need it and I don't want it. I'm a heterosexual woman. That's all you need to know.

Some people like to pigeon-hole others. I hate that. I particularly hate it when it's a pigeon hole that's been made up on the spot and which I do not recognise.

It's not pigeon-holing, it's a description. Much like heterosexual. Or white. Or British. Or blonde. Or gay. Or catholic.

So, why the issue with cis and not heterosexual?

I don't know where the term comes from nor what it means.

Why the issue with heterosexual? Because that's what I am, not what the trans community decided I should be.

True.

I had no idea before reading this convo, but it looks like women feel somehow threatened in all this. I don't pretend to undestand why, can only guess.

Could it be that women feel protective of their gender identity and hard fought-for rights and see transgender as another encroachment into their domain by men?

The trans community decided you're not a transperson? :conf:

If you don't know what it means, why have you automatically taken offence to it? That seems rather silly.

I wonder if before gay rights people objected the same way? I'm not a hetersexual man, I'm a man, simple as.

well plenty people prefer not to talk about what type of sex they like


i would be like :umm2: if someone introduced themselves in such a rude manner

Well, since when does someone knowing your sexuality mean they suddenly know how you like it in bed? :conf:

No, the trans community decided I should have a different description to the one I've always lived with. It's not their place, nor yours, to decide what I should be happy to be called.

No, what's seems rather silly is that someone else has decided I should be classes as cis and I'm telling you I am heterosexual and not willing to accept made up terms by groups of people I am not a part of.

have you ever been introduced as Marshall the heterosexual?

id say never?

I agree. That's the whole point. Such terms are not used in everyday life, but only in discussions about sexuality. I'd imagine the term cis would also be only used in specific cases.

Yes, exactly that. And now I have to accept someone who's been a man for fifty years and decided now's the right time to dress as a woman and tell me I have a new label. Cis.

It's like the media running a story about the first British woman on the front line and what a coup for women. Turned out it was a man, he'd been a man all through his training, all through his service and in Afghanistan decided he wanted to be a woman. That is not the first woman on the front line.