Who said this?

The only member who's even commenting on genders who can and can't have an opinion is you. As per usual.

Prisons I personally think the issue is more to do with the individual than a generalisation. If its a violent offender, all sort of considerations should be made when assessing the best place for them, and if that's done properly then there really should be very little chance of a violent male ending up in with female prisoners.

Sports is sort of a different debate really... It's less about universal rights and being born male does present a significant physical advantage in many sports. Honestly I would say that any fair-minded transfemale would be mindful of that and avoid the sport even if they're good at it, and consider that part of the "deal" for lack of a better word.

I think it's in Spider-man where he says that he would love to play a sport at school but used to be small and weak, and after getting powerz would obviously dominate, "but he couldn't before, so he shouldn't now". Which seems fair.

Not like Tom Welling's Clark Kent who played high school football and pretended like he wasnt at an advantage because he deliberately slowed down :nono:. BAD Tom.

Again, I've already said I don't really have an issues with hospital wards.


I never said anything like that

Honestly I don't care how people choose to live, it only becomes an issue when places or things that are sex segregated (for good reason ie Biological reasons) are encroached upon like Prisons and Sports, there's been a fair few cases arising where trans woman have been entering womens sports and the biological advantages are very evident, it's pretty unfair for a start and also dangerous when it comes to some sports like UFC.


I do! Maybe not specifically a masked man but yeah, I've warned my kids about scenarios like those happening? I thought most parents did tbh?

Spiderman knew that with great power comes great responsibility :p

But just regarding sport, there actually have been a number of cases of these occurring lately so I think that is becoming a problem for women.

It wasn't directed at you, but at the "no penises in female only spaces" comment that Livia has made five or six times in this thread alone.


She knows that bad things happen to people and what to do if it does happen but the point is she knows it is still very UNlikely and so doesn't actively worry about being snatched every time she's out on her own. And we don't base the rules on whether or not she can or can't do things on the slim possibility of something happening to her. No one can live like that, and that's how it works on a societal scale, too... every day, people board planes with their families knowing that planes DO crash, but understanding that the chance of ours crashing is tiny. Thus, logically, there's simply no reason to exclude transwomen (whether they have a "diagnosis" or not) from being in female wards based solely on the tiny possibility of one of them committing assault, and even LESS because of the small possibility that "some people might feel uncomfortable or frightened". Honestly exactly the same logic was applied when certain places in the US stopped relegating black people to the back of the bus; that it shouldn't happen "because people would be scared and intimidated" - especially women and the elderly - because of their false beliefs about ethnic minorities. I firmly believe that if we start basing decisions like this on "what everyone is comfortable with", NO progression could ever occur in any area.

That said, none of it is a reason to abandon common sense and individual use of judgement. If someone's behaviour is concerning or there's reason to believe that their motivations are suspect (such as a large burly man with a beard loudly insisting he's female) then of course they should expect some questions to be asked, but I just can't see that scenario actually happening often enough to be considered anything other than an anomaly... with the vast majority of self-IDing transexuals quite obviously having traits of their chosen gender.

Again, I'm not really concerned about hospital wards (and yes I know that's what this thread is about :P ) So not a whole lot of point me responding to that ^ I feel like we're going round in circles now because I'm back to saying I would be concerned about self IDing in certain situations ie prisons, sports etc.

NHS TRANS ROW as MEN get access to WOMAN'S wards if they identify as female
 

Apologies

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