That’s a fact, Niamh. I do believe that the majority of women killed in DV situations die as a result of strangulation, and most women in these situations suffer non-fatal strangulation during such relationships, even when it does not end in death.
From memory, that’s why the law was changed a couple of years ago to make non-fatal strangulation an offence in itself, separate to any charges for DV. I think, at the time, a non-fatal strangulation conviction came with a custodial sentence, and I can remember this happened in the first case after the law was changed. I hope this is still the case, but I’m not sure if it remains so due to the lack of prison places.

However, in the same way that these charges and sentences are so important, I think it’s equally important that people are aware of the differences between grabbing, squeezing and placing the hands, and of whether those hands are around, or beside the neck.

I did, Cherie, and I think you were as shocked and horrified as me when you first read the description of Marcello grabbing Lily by the neck. That really rang massive alarm bells for me, so I was surprised when I then saw the footage.

I’m not saying that I find it comfortable when a man places his hand where Marcello did, or that there is no possibility that this could be indicative of anything worrying. That is always a possibility. However, what we saw here was not what we were led to believe, and I think it’s important that language is used carefully and accurately when describing such situations.

Yes, perfectly put, Maru.

He was hands on with her last night as well. Touching her, looked like he was touching her and imagining what it would be like..

Look, Adam, I’ve posted very few comments about Marcello at all, and in those I’ve posted on this particular matter, it’s not been about defending Marcello - it’s about the language you used and what that implied. The fact that you have now changed your description from him ‘grabbing’ her neck to ‘his hand literally touched her neck’ is indicative of the fact that you recognise you chose to paint the wrong picture in order to force a certain narrative.

Two wrongs don’t make a right, and just because you feel other members might blow what Ali says out of proportion, they are sharing their interpretation of her actions which just happens to differ from your interpretation. Different opinions and interpretations are fine, and to be expected. What you’ve done here regarding Marcello, however, is basically changed the facts, and that’s the issue.

Finally, before you decide to lump me in with the ‘most of you‘ that you’ve chosen to criticise regarding Ali in your response to me, I think most members would probably agree that I have, in fact, tried to raise awareness here of Ali’s Autistic traits, how they might affect her and how that might mean she is judged harshly by others. I’ve done that in an attempt to create some understanding and empathy for her. I put thought into my comments, use the knowledge and experience I have, and consider the effect of my words on others before each post. I’m an independent thinker, and won’t be dismissed as just one of some sort of pack.

Enough said,

What? I haven’t changed my description at all? He did grab her neck. I used “his hand touched her neck” because you tried to paint it as if his hand barely hovered near it when there was literally skin to skin contact of his hand on her neck, I’ve seen the clip multiple times so don’t try and act like I’m trying to force any kind of narrative just because you don’t agree.

It’s not about me “feeling” anything, Ali literally utters one word in an episode and there’s 5 different threads saying she’s racist, a nasty witch, a bully etc. yet there’s crickets for when Marcello talks about Sarah’s genitals, gaslights her into believing she’s the problem in an argument he started. When I said I’m tired of people constantly defending his actions while vilifying other people like Ali that’s just the truth. Ali has not behaved flawlessly and I won’t deny that but you first instinct was to completely deny what’s literally on video, his hand was around her neck even if it was for barely a couple of seconds.

So yes, enough said.

He should have done , but my goodness the hell he'd get for it ..... he'd be classed as ' the worst person ever'. Lily would be crying like a baby :bored: , They all give her too much leeway... to act as bratty and nasty as she likes.

She was so obnoxious and gross , she storms in and makes demands like she owns the shopping list. She's in a house full of other housemates, she added a ton of sh1t they don't even need. the fuss she made over Marcello removing some of the items, as they went over the budget.. she's not right in the head. Her diet is literally heart disease and diabetes waiting to happen.

She's trying to hard , and Ali & Lily are not helping.

same , but i find him insufferable himself .

Yes she is.

Exactly , you could tell Ali wanted a piece of the gossip pie ... her little "i don't care" was so false . Plus could Ali get any more boring... she was laid in bed for alot of the time , and looked like her usual miserable self.

someone needs to hold up a mirror to her face , and say look who the real mean girl is.

which is utter cobblers:joker: , Sarah finds Martha irritating... you can tell there's a awkward atmosphere. Sarah & BP are closer.

This is what always annoys in in BB , there's always big mouths who want their moment in the spotlight and blurt out 500 times "ohhhh is it a secret mission", a smart person would just play along... untill it's over and then say afterwards"oh i knew it" :shrug: .

why do they always have to spoil the fun, it was already a rubbish unconvincing secret mission to begin with, but the housemates could have gone along with it.

They really are useless

That coffee dance was so cute :laugh:

She's scared of Hanah.

And yet still she says nothing..... Ali is a joke. Marcello & Khaled breath and it upsets Ali.

Yeah it's ridiculous ,no doubt if he gets evicted... he'll be called a' woman beater next'. The exaggeration.. my goodness. I knew it wasn't anything serious, as that would have been an instant removal from the house.

especially in Thursday's episode ... bloody hell :fist::oh: !! , she needed the mute button. I wish BB locked her in a room somewhere far away.

Exactly my thoughts aswell :clap1: .

Yeah he's so dangerous & violent , maybe police will arrest him next :idc: . Poor Lily..... the little baby .

Of course and I did acknowledge that he didn't actually grab her neck but he did say oh I can't do that and took his hand away quickly which was what I thought was a little sinister

Sinister is a strong word, not everything has to have a ulterior meaning. I really don't think Marcello is the monster... he's being painted out to be .