Deleting them all together will just cause more drama if anything

Fair enough but my above statement is correct

The explanation is a word-for-word quote, which came from a mod (ukturtle)

I know the mods are generally very helpful and for that I'm thankful :thumbs: but when you don't know who's specifically responsible you tend to just blame the whole staff

Obviously I'm now well aware who to blame (*cough*James*cough*)

we should do what the simpsons did when they lost all their memories and reenact them all

No need for the tantrum. I gave you an answer, and a pretty reasonable one. You don't need to know who locked them (although now you do). You could just speak to James and ask him to unlock them.

I'm sure you'd be just delighted if every game you've ever run was deleted from the forum simply because they got a little heated

I don't care anymore, the point is they shouldn't have been removed in the first place

There was no problems with the 2008 and 2009 threads in 2008 and 2009, and the 2010 thread had already been moderated, locked and returned

Omg! I hope the opt-out drama you're referring to isn't Novo's text to me? It was just a joke :sad:

I agree Matt, past games are normally good to look back on so it's not fair that they was deleted.

If anything it's the normal everyday threads here that cause the most drama. Arguments break out in ones about the weather or puppies. It seems a shame to single out The Razzies.

Fair enough, I would be, but to blame us is out of order. All we did was answer your question.

If you follow my suggestion and ask admin if they can be restored, they may do it. It's worth asking before getting in a rage and cancelling everything.

Isn't there archives of old versions of the forum?
Surely they could be retrieved somehow.

Not a problem, I meant the drama that led to me introducing the opt-out list :thumbs:


Again I'll say that when you're not aware exactly who's responsible you'll speak in general about the whole staff, because you know it's got to be one of them. At that point I wasn't aware, and to be fair, your explanation stated that "They were deleted by admin and mods", which itself is a generalisation.

Obviously I'm now well aware who deleted them.


It's not about getting them back, it's about them being deleted in the first place.

I don't see any reason to put effort in to a game (and Shaun and Dezzy know exactly how much effort I went to this year) if moderators are going to make up the rules behind my back, and if the results are clearly inevitably going to end up deleted (I haven't even mentioned the 2011 ceremony which hasn't been seen since the day it took place).

It's just a waste of time, and I'm not going to waste any more of my time.

Please stop blaming the mods. Admin made the decison. I've been a host, i know how much effort goes into games, but you need to take this up with admin.

And you please stop saying I'm blaming the mods when I'm only explaining the reasons I made a generalisation (which you're partly responsible for).

Especially when I've already made it clear who I'm blaming:

I'm not taking it up with admin, I've already spoken to admin about the opt-out list. If anything admin should be taking it up with me and explaining what the hell the bloody problem is.

What's the actual point? Was there a thought in James' head that said "oh crap, so-and-so might read up on the 2009 Razzies and reinstigate that argument about webcams"?

And even if there was something salacious or controversial, do you think deleting the thread is going to make it go away?

I shouldn't be surprised, this is coming from an admin that thinks swearing is so naughty, but whatever. Sad times.

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that said, Matthew, bloody do it or I'm divorcing :nono: it's worth the night, tbh, even if it gets closed the next day

..I think that’s a shame..not only for you Matt, obviously but for everyone else as well...

...I don’t think I’ve fully understood the Razzies before, but as a very wise person has pointed out...forums, life..everything in general has good stuff and bad stuff....if you try to have one (eg ML etc) without balancing it up with the other..it won’t make the bad stuff go away..it’ll only make it seep more into other parts of the forum...and possibly cause more bad feeling and arguments than the Razzies ever could have.....

..people not being able to express their views never makes for a good environment..and they won't be held in anyway, they'll just find another outlet.....

dick move from mods/admin

but like bit of an overreaction

i can see both sides,but this forum is going down hill in my opinion.
people like my self and other's wont bother posting!.
its like being back at school!

Oh.. cancelled.

-presses back space on Lee's name-

So sorry, Matt. I thought it was all going to be a bit of a laugh and treated light-heartedly by the majority... but it seems not. Scuppered before it starts.

:(

Sorry to hear that Matt, a real shame but 100% see where you are coming from

Yeah it wasn't us..........

Shame Matt, I always enjoy the Razzies

Urgh.

... and I had you nommed for loads of categories too Niamh... I'm gutted, me....

Aw what a shame, I was looking forward to seeing these unfold....being a newbie this year I haven't seen them before.

It is considered a laugh and treated light hearted by the majority but the minority ruined it with the whole 'opt out' shyte

it was going to be my firsy rassies

I'm going to miss your interesting conversations with Vanessa

Yes... I imagine that's true. Shame.

I'd like to make it very clear that I didn't raise/suggest "the OPT out shyte", as I will undoubtedly get the finger pointed by some, you can check with Matt for verification if you like :idc: I had my say, as I was entitled, but I didn't take up the OPT out offer either....as I have repeated ad nauseum; take the piss out of me in a lighthearted manner, no worries, but don't get personal, it's not on. That goes for whoever it is aimed at, certainly not just myself.

Matt may well change his mind, who knows?! :shrug:

Ahem... before anyone starts sharpening their pointy sticks, matt cancelled due to the deletions...not because of the opt out suggestion.

nor me

Look what the mods have done now

I'm not pointing fingers but it was the minority of you that led the opt out thing to come and yes opt out was one of the reasons for the cancellation

Cancelled :o

:p No Karl, it wasn't.

Just to pick up on a couple of points:

The catalyst for the opt-out argument definitely wasn't *Kate* - again I'll reiterate that it came down to the fact that an opt-out list had been announced behind my back without me being consulted. Although I'd prefer there not to be an opt-out list, given that no unanimous solution had been reached, it felt it right just to go ahead with it as it was the fairest solution to all involved.

And although the thread deletions were the main reason behind the cancellation, I can't deny that the opt-out drama didn't have anything to do with it - I'd already had enough crap thrown at me from that, so I wasn't prepared to take any more.

Finally, my apologies for getting a little too heated with my side of the argument last night, but it still stands and I'm glad most if not all of you understand where I'm coming from :) I will reconsider the 2012 Razzies in the future, and I reserve the right to do so (I.E. no-one is stealing them from me :p) but until ALL of the ceremony threads are returned to the forum (including 2011) - whether they've been locked and moderated or not - I'm not budging.