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No, Arista, US didn't need trump and we definitely didn't need brexit. Both things are the result of decades of grievances aimed at the wrong people, and the backers of both are the same people. You've been conned.

Also, this contradicts you blaming the dems. Either the dems are to blame or the US needed a change. Both things can't be true.

hypocrite much? Senator Cruz

you were one of those of hundreds republicans allegedly still believing in democrat vote fraud :idc:

indeed what people say in comments below #ShutUpTed

He was one of the ones who asked them to come on the 6th

...but you wouldn’t blame the Republic party for putting up Trump himself, which has all led to these event...you blame Hilary Clinton...

...or this...

The right wing mindset at play. 'It's not our faults for picking the worst possible candidate! It's the other side for not beating him, doubly so if that other side is represented by a woman!'

:love:

...Brexit is still an unknown that no one can say was needed...but Trump wasn’t a ‘change’ that the USA needed to make it more divided than its ever been...

i know him through and through (thx to daily show)


he already made a fool of himself before at 2016 republican elections (tbh Trump never had any strong opposition in the own party that year either)

...and Hilary was apparently ‘too old’, I believe was said...and Biden is ‘too old’ as well...as was Bernie...all of the other possibilities were not suitable at all to be President of the USA...so this is the President we get when ‘just the right one’ is chosen....

2 good things from this last couple of years, i now know much more about Americas constitution and processes, and also my geographic knowledge of the various counties within states has skyrocketed :laugh:

We had four events in recent years in politics (here and the US) where things that were previously on the fringe have been brought into the mainstream.

First was the Scottish Independence referendum, then Corbyn becoming Labour leader, then the EU ref and Brexit, and then Trump becoming President.

That's why I say I want politics to go back to being boring. I'm sick of all this turmoil.

Corbyn isn't fringe, and if you think he is then you need to explain that. His policies all poll extremely well. Being a lefty isn't a fringe position, despite what the constant media barrage would have you believe.

I don't know that it's that simple really... by "boring" you really just mean "things that don't affect you personally very much".

Was Labour's "new deal" stuff boring? Then the Tories' disastrous transition to Universal Credit? On paper, sure, but not to the countless people whose lives were drastically impacted.

We've also been bombing one area of the middle east or another for, at least, most of my lifetime. Not really boring for the people whose houses are dust, I'd think.

Politics has never been boring, it's just now more people are tuned into it more than before.

Yes
I fully understand your steady viewpoint
Covid-19 has made it all, far worse, at this ending
of this USA Extreme Politics.
I would add China (as number 5) to your list
who failed to hold onto Covid-19.
They tried hard to shut up a Doctor warning everyone
he died of Covid-19. Corruption in China.

Yeah, you could add the Iraq war to the list of huge events that changed politics.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experi...c139a5a6bb.png

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/elec...-2020-55558355

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Slim
She did say
David Cameron did have a go at Trump.

Just after that clever Edit

"consistently"

That is what was said about Corbyn at the time - that he had never been part of the political mainstream.

I mean Trump was a fringe character in politics also, and he became President so his policies must have had some appeal to some.

Leaving the EU would have been seen as wackadoodle at one point and that won.

Only one of the four that didn't win was Independence and that still got 45%.

(I don't know what I am saying). :shrug:

That's more to do with the political mainstream though, and the turn right that the country has been incrementally taking. We have a PM who tried to illegally close parliament. We have a secretary of state ranting against the legal profession, even as they're being attacked.

We've become so blind to what is achievable, that the only politician that tried to improve the lives of everyone and society as a whole, was smeared out of town with lies faster than Boris could put Russians into the HoL. We do have a fringe element, but they're running the country. Even his cabinet is packed with brexit extremists.

The left has no power, and yet we always revert back to them as the problem, in the face of our daily experiences and all of the evidence.